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Don't forget this Wednesday is the trade deadline. Time is of the essence in getting something done.
On the trading block page, I went through the full rosters and checked off every player I have legitimate interest in. There are some other guys I'm somewhat interested in though, I'll listen to all offers.
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I'll be damned, it looked like I was going to have a down week, but things to a strong showing from Thomas and the NO D I ended up with the highest score in the league for the week.
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I have Hightower and Maroney sitting on my bench collecting dust. I'd trade either one of these guys, possibly along with Lance Moore, for a legit WR.
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I'm not sure either of those are really worth a legit WR IMO. Maybe Hightower but that's questionable, definitely not Maroney though.
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Do you guys think its ok to discuss trades openly or should they be done privately? I always believed they should between the people trading, but I got a couple trade offers that I need opinions on. And since we discuss trades during the veto period, I thought I'd do that process before I ok any trade.
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You're going to piss off your trading partner if you decide to discuss the trades openly here.
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Hey, aren, thanks for taking so fucking long to decide on the trades that you killed any ability to make another one.
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LOL.
On another note, I must say I'm dumbfounded that no one ahead of me grabbed Lloyd off of the waivers.
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Oh this should be entertaining, which one are you vetoing? The wells one right? Cause that's the one I'd consider unbalanced.
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I do think that Error got by far the better deal in his trade, but I couldn't say it's completely unfair.
Actually, strike that, considering that Meach already has a QB of damn near the same level as Roth, that trade is off.
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Oh this should be entertaining, which one are you vetoing? The wells one right? Cause that's the one I'd consider unbalanced.
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No, I let that one go through, since Geo is taking risk in a couple of ways:
1. That wells actually gets the ball when it matters. He hasn't so far this season.
2. That Gonzalez ever really gets healthy and has an impact. He's not exactly Reggie Wayne behind Marvin Harrison.
I vetoed the Williams and Austin for Roethlisberger one. As I put in the message to Error and Meach, that one looks like the Biff/Rico trade from last year all over again. Meach actually proposed it but offered too much. If the draft were today, Ricky Williams likely goes in round 1 as a top 12 RB. Austin goes in round 2 or 3 as a top 12 WR. There are a very limited number of guys that warrant a #1 and a #2/3, and they are top 5 picks like Adrian Peterson. The fact that Austin was on the waiver wire doesn't matter any more. It's the present value that matters, and it's too much.
edit: And for the record, I slept on the decision. I was very close to vetoing it late last night but wanted to give it some more thought.
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I can't disagree with that, I guess. There's still two hours or so, maybe Error and Meach can re-work that deal to get it right.
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OK Yoshi, for the record I didn't recieve any message. That out of the way, I disagree with you regarding the value you're placing on Rofl but you're the commish, so as they say, by your command.
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Wait, really? Can you seriously say you think Roeth is even a first rounder let alone a top 5 pick?
QBs are valuable in our league, yes, (overvalued is what I like to say) but there's still only maybe 2-3 QBs who are 1st rounders.
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Until 2 weeks ago Rofl hadn't put up less than 30 points, and most of them had been in the high 30s with 2 40 point games. If we're judging Austin based on his right now value then I think we also have to judge Rofl.
Either way I'm not going to throw a fit. Yoshi thinks its a bad trade then so be it. I just have to figure out how to get rid of Young now that I have a backup QB again.
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Until 2 weeks ago Rofl hadn't put up less than 30 points, and most of them had been in the high 30s with 2 40 point games. If we're judging Austin based on his right now value then I think we also have to judge Rofl.
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And yet he's the 7th best QB in points. Those high totals of his are due to the inflation of QB points in our league.
And being that he's the 7th best QB that means he's 100% not a first round pick.
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And yet he's the 7th best QB in points. Those high totals of his are due to the inflation of QB points in our league.
And being that he's the 7th best QB that means he's 100% not a first round pick.
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OK fine, you disagree with me. But you basically just said he has inflated point totals becuase of our league setup. When we're talking about him in our league. So that point is just retarded sir.
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Yes, and he's the 7th best QB in our league... 7th. Not 1st or 2nd or even 3rd. Which means he's at best a late second or third rounder.
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WHAT THE FUCK.
1. No msg (where'd you send it Yosh?)
2. I have my reasons for wanting to trade Ricky Williams while he's peaking.
3. I have my reasons for trading Austin, who may or may not be great. I don't need to wait around for him, b/c I've got Andre Johnson who will be a keeper for years to come.
4. And I have been dying to get a franchise QB. Sure, ROFL's no Peyton (old) or Brady (also old), but he's younger than both and has a better track record (than Orton) in our massively overvalued QB league.
5. I'm not sold on Orton, so, to my mind, ROFL's a decent upgrade for the rest of this season (and it's nice to finally have two LEGIT QB options every week b/c...again...they're the most important position in our little league). And, given the info I have TODAY, I'd be more likely to hold onto ROFL than Orton if the season ended today.
6. I've got the #3 RB in the league, so losing Williams isn't a major killer for me (although, if this were NORMAL FF, I could see Yoshi's point; but in OUR league?).
Throwing a Biff-like fit won't do me any good, and the dmg is already done but I would like to know what the rest of the league thinks.
Did Yosh make the right call?
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I don't see any reason why the trade would have been vetoed.
Two B-grade players traded for an A- quarterback, basically.
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3. I have my reasons for trading Austin, who may or may not be great. I don't need to wait around for him, b/c I've got Andre Johnson who will be a keeper for years to come.
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This comment makes no sense to me at all? Wait around for him? He's putting up 10-30 points a game right now, what would you be waiting around for? Him to start putting up 50+ a game?
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Here's what I mean: I've got an A+ WR. Austin ain't A+ (yet). You trade a B (B+?) WR for the A- QB (again, the overvalued position in our league).
Austin could be the next Randy Moss...but so what? I've got the next Jerry Rice on my team for years (meaning I can't hang onto Austin after this season).
Basically, I'm trading two guys I'd NEVER hold (given my team situation) for a QB I would.
AND I improve (however slightly) my chances this year.
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Yes, but it wasn't just 1 B+ player for the A- QB, it was 2 B+ Players for 1 A- Player, that is what made it unbalanced IMO. (Although I would argue that if Austin does keep playing like he had since has since his breakout game he is definitely A+ and one of the most valuable WR in the league, and there's no reason to really think he's not going to. Man was I wrong about him before).
Something like Jonathan Stewart and Roeth for Williams and Austin would be a much fairer trade in my eyes. Personally I would be ok with Yoshi doing a special extension for you guys and pushing through a balanced trade you work out even though the deadline has passed since your last one was vetoed and you didn't get the message.
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This took longer than I thought.
1. The message is posted when the trade is vetoed. There is a canned message I can use or change/add to it. I chose the latter.
2. Austin has been a starter for three weeks. Anything he did before that is completely irrelevant now. It's no different than Jamaal Charles' situation now. Even when you include the full season, though, Austin is the #12 WR in the league. In a 14 team league where 28+ WRs start, that means he is an automatic starter. That is not a B+ player by any stretch when you combine those things.
3. Ricky Williams is unusual because of the true two-headed monster in Miami. He's arguably the back up but still gets starter-like touches and also is the #12 player at his position and an automatic starter in our 14 team, 28 RB starting league.
4. Roethlisberger is the 7th ranked QB. We have 14 teams that start 1 QB each. That makes him right at the median. He is not Manning or Brees by any stretch. In terms of the median starters at his position, he is well lower than Austin (12/28+) and Williams (12/28). And Austin is way higher based on his current situation.
5. Trades to bolster keepers at the expense of competitiveness during the current season cannot be allowed to go through. When Rich and I made our blockbuster, it was in the offseason. It didn't negatively impact people with a shot at the $250 during the season. This trade, in the context of the current season, makes Meach's team worse and makes Error's way, way better. It's a kin to collusion, except that Meach was looking at next season instead of just trying to help Error. Considering people have the option to pay for next year or not but have already paid for this season, I have to keep this season fair over anything that would affect next season at this point.
6. There will be no extension. The deadline was posted in like July. Geo and Timber actually PM'ed me to specifically ask that I review their trade the night before, because Timber had waiver wire dependency. I honored their request, since they asked, just like I fixed Meach's (I think) lineup earlier this year when he was having access problems and asked.
edit: I will, however, give Error Choice back and reset his waiver priority if he doesn't want Young anymore.
edit2: One more quick point. If Roethlisberger were traded for Michael Turner and Randy Moss, would people think that is fair? Turner and Moss are a single spot higher than Williams and Austin, and Moss has obviously been a starter all year...
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1: Where is the message posted, exactly?
2: Please do the Young Choice reversal.
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1. I can't find where the hell it is either, but I know I typed it. Are you sure you didn't get it in an e-mail?
2. ok. Do you happen to recall what your priority was? I could probably reconstruct it using the transaction list, but I'd prefer not to have to. I have already moved the players.'
edit: Nevermind. You added Shockey first, so that makes the order easy to fix. You're all set. You're #12 in priority and have Choice but not Young now.
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i didn't get anything in the email, and it didn't go to my spam filter because i got all of the other league related emails in my main box.
thank you.
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Well, shit. I don't know where it goes then. If I find it, I'll let you know, though it's moot at this point.
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STAT CHECK:
I'm 4th in Pts Scored. But everyone ahead of me in the rankings (7th) has fewer Pts Against (I'm 6th highest in PA).
You lucky bastards.
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And I'm 3rd in pts scored, so I'm both getting lucky with the PA (3rd lowest in the league... woot woot) but not as lucky as I should since I'm still in 5th place.
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BOOO Pats going for 2...
YAY Moss getting the whole 8 points..
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I had Flacco starting all week, but I've decided to go with Warner. This better not come back to bite me in the ass.
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Nice job starting two guys on a bye, Advocate. We're going to miss your $35 when we kick you out of the league this offseason.
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Damn Packers defense turned a laugher into a bit of a nail biter. If I can't trust them against Tampa, Pittsburgh is going to start for the foreseeable future.
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2. Austin has been a starter for three weeks. Anything he did before that is completely irrelevant now. It's no different than Jamaal Charles' situation now. Even when you include the full season, though, Austin is the #12 WR in the league. In a 14 team league where 28+ WRs start, that means he is an automatic starter. That is not a B+ player by any stretch when you combine those things.
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0 1st half pts vs Eagles.
But hey, he's an A+ guy amirite?
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0 1st half pts vs Eagles.
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Looks like it comes down to Jeff Reed on Monday night.
He needs 8 points or more to secure the win for Timber.
Seahawks D going off for 5 INTs and a TD + Austin Collie's injury could be what ends up swaying this one in Timber's favor. Second week in a row one of my WRs has gotten hurt and left a game early. 
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Seattle was playing Detroit, that was kind of a no-brainer for a bye week D replacement.
Hopefully Denver can keep Pit out of the endzone but let them get to the red zone at least 3 times tomorrow night.
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LOL! I was just getting in here to whine about Austin's 0 pts thru 3quarters and...Touchdown!
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