Modern Warfare 2

[DumpTruck]

that is fucking retarded

[Dyne]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but the PC version is limited to 9 on 9. No mods. The inability to kick players from ranked matches and a lack of console commands. Lol.

[kingoffighters]

More like Not-Very Modern Warfare 2.

[DumpTruck]

yeah really, I think I might wait a while to get this one

[SamuraiMoogle]

RPD at lvl 4!!! LOL! Theres no more deep impact perk so thats nice. The game seems a bit more like MW meets WAW online. The levels have lots more shit to hide around so it seems a bit slower paced like WAW is. The amount of killstreak rewards is cool. I kinda got spanked online though so I didnt try out too many. Got to ride in a gunner seat of a chopper which was kickass. Also stole a drop from the enemy team that called in a pave low. It fucking destroyed the other team. I got at least 10 kills from it. Pretty awesome considering it was the other teams drop LOL!
When your first start playing online, take the class with the LMG. Its very nice.

[Deewtaei]

Does the 'Friends Only' chat option work well enough in this game? What I mean is, does it essentially replicate the 'Party Chat' option? Not only can I not stand listening to strangers, but I generally yell and would rather not have to deal with people I don't know.

Edit: And, if it does, wouldn't that mean that all IW has done is limited options to the end user vs. resolving the "cheating" issue they're trying to avoid in the first place?

[Changeling]

Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

RPD at lvl 4!!! LOL! Theres no more deep impact perk so thats nice. The game seems a bit more like MW meets WAW online. The levels have lots more shit to hide around so it seems a bit slower paced like WAW is..

FUCK. No deep impact but I'm sure that annoying-ass martyrdom is still in there. Whatever. The MW meets WaW stuff sounds promising since WaW is the superior COD thus far.

[Sinista]

Yup martydum is still in there

[Changeling]

That makes sense. Make it noob-friendly for the cattle. Deep impact was one of the few perks that helped skilled players fight against campers. Now shit will be even worse.

The cattle go "moooo! how did I get shot through the wall?!" IW says "don't worry lil veal, we'll cater 2 U. "

I kinda am tempted to say fuck it but maybe Ill be proven wrong. Any REAL impressions ?

[SamuraiMoogle]

What do you want to know? I have to get use to the maps still, but my honest opinion is the maps are too big and have way too many hiding spots. Theres just to many spots to get shot from. Above you, below you, through windows, rooftops, its just seems too hard to cover your own ass. This also could be because everyone thats playing it right now is really good. Theres a remade COD2 map thats fun since its smaller than most. Everything else about online plays just fine. I just have a problem with the maps right now. Also, not having deep impact is not a big deal. I still use the RPD and hose walls and kill people.

Played some Spec Ops last night. Its awesome, lots and lots of fun. On one level, one of you gets to ride in the big ass AC10 Gunship and cover your friend on the ground! The story mode so far also kicks ass.

Basically, if you didnt like MW 1 online, you wont like this.

*edit* I have yet to see anyone use matyrdom. I think its only a deathstreak perk now.

[ElCapichan]

Originally Posted by Deewtaei

Does the 'Friends Only' chat option work well enough in this game? What I mean is, does it essentially replicate the 'Party Chat' option? Not only can I not stand listening to strangers, but I generally yell and would rather not have to deal with people I don't know.

Edit: And, if it does, wouldn't that mean that all IW has done is limited options to the end user vs. resolving the "cheating" issue they're trying to avoid in the first place?

I haven't used friends only in MW2 yet, but essentially, it is like being in game chat except you can't hear the people not on your friends list. This still fixes the "cheating" problem, because everything still goes by the game chat's rules. You die in domination, and your friends wont be able to hear you and vice versa.

[Pineapple]

Finished the story mode around 7pm cuz my gold account ran out again and couldn't post it but holy shit this was a phenomenal game. The action gets really fucking cool late in the game (as well as some boner inspiring moments in the early levels) and for me totally eclipses CoD4. Some levels were just plain awesome with stuff happening that really had me impressed. The final level... I can understand why they ask you at the beginning if you want to bypass certain stuff if you don't like gory/unsavory/whatever content. By far the coolest single player game I've played all year, and the multi is just as 4 was but taken to the umpteenth degree with the new stuff implememnted, I'll be back on soon and I hope to see that 25 kill streak reward. 280/1000 on first playthrough not trying for anything just playing, obviously not on Veteran.

[SamuraiMoogle]

I just started the 3rd act and I totally agree with your impressions. Its awesome.

Ranked up to like lvl20 online yesterday. My RPD is badass now. Shooting people across the map with it and getting a +50 for a headshot and +50 for long distance is hilarious!

[Cowutopia]

So someone a few pages back said that people should play the superior Battlefield franchise instead of cry about this.

I'm sorry, what was Bad Company better than? Fucking nothing. What a horrible game.

[Joust Williams]

Is Arcade Mode still in this?

[Yoshi]

Originally Posted by Cowutopia

So someone a few pages back said that people should play the superior Battlefield franchise instead of cry about this.

I'm sorry, what was Bad Company better than? Fucking nothing. What a horrible game.

Bad Company is barely a Battlefield game. You won't understand until you have a view beyond console releases.

[SamuraiMoogle]

Originally Posted by Joust Williams

Is Arcade Mode still in this?

I don't think it is. Unless you get it after finishing the game.

[ElCapichan]

Originally Posted by Yoshi

Bad Company is barely a Battlefield game. You won't understand until you have a view beyond console releases.

Very true. I couldn't stand Bad Company compared to the PC releases. Not because it wasn't on PC, but because it had quite a bit of flaws. My main gripe was the terrible hit detection. It at least sounds like Bad Company 2 is going to be far more like the PC Battlefields.

[Pineapple]

Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

I don't think it is. Unless you get it after finishing the game.

I don't believe I unlocked anything by beating the game, but I did it on regular difficulty, so my guess is Arcade mode is gone.
Also some of the later levels I seriously don't understand how they will be completable on Veteran, I lowered the difficulty to the lowest for some of them and was still getting shredded, almost to an unfair degree.
And the credits at the end are the best I've seen since Portal.

[Changeling]

Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

What do you want to know? I have to get use to the maps still, but my honest opinion is the maps are too big and have way too many hiding spots. Theres just to many spots to get shot from. Above you, below you, through windows, rooftops, its just seems too hard to cover your own ass. This also could be because everyone thats playing it right now is really good. Theres a remade COD2 map thats fun since its smaller than most. Everything else about online plays just fine. I just have a problem with the maps right now. Also, not having deep impact is not a big deal. I still use the RPD and hose walls and kill people.

Played some Spec Ops last night. Its awesome, lots and lots of fun. On one level, one of you gets to ride in the big ass AC10 Gunship and cover your friend on the ground! The story mode so far also kicks ass.

Basically, if you didnt like MW 1 online, you wont like this.

*edit* I have yet to see anyone use matyrdom. I think its only a deathstreak perk now.

Keep ranking up to give us more weapon info. Also, I'm really curious about any new perks. Nice to hear deep impact has been kinda worked into more powerful guns. Thats interesting !

[Changeling]

Originally Posted by Cowutopia

So someone a few pages back said that people should play the superior Battlefield franchise instead of cry about this.

I'm sorry, what was Bad Company better than? Fucking nothing. What a horrible game.

You really want this argument with me ? This one is easy...

Can you affect the enviroment in COD ? Is there large-scale combat ? Are there vehicles worth a fuck ? Were the maps free downloads to the community?

The short answer is no. The long answer is FUCK NO.

The COD series is a spam-fest that most anyone can enjoy, even the frats that only play Madden. How many people play the teamwork-oriented modes in the COD series here? I'm sure you're not one of them. You prolly play TDM or simply DM. Of course you aren't going to "get" the Battlefield series. It isn't for you.

COD's charms are its accessibility and its huge community. Its fun with friends, but "competitive" COD is laughable.

Also, this is how many COD's on console? Lets have this conversation again after BC2 comes out. There won't be any doubt after that.

Oh, and a quote from Destro from the BF:BC2 thread:

What doesnt honestly? To tell you the truth they really are quite different. Especially on size and scope. Now on the wall of text:

-First and foremost, they fixed nearly ALL of the problems people had with Bad Company 1 and truely went the route of making a hardcore PC-like Battlefield game for the consoles.

-A large amount of PLAYABLE vehicles ranging from tanks to helicopters that YOU ACTUALLY CONTROL rather than pressing a button to have a computer fly one around to gift you kills.

-A class system that requires actual teamwork and playing your role rather than one man super soldiers. Stuff like: Engineers to keep vechicles up and running, and medics to keep squads alive. Uber nerds can individually completely control an entire match in games like Halo or MW - in Battlefield teamwork is going to win everytime. You cannot win alone in BF. Ever.

-No stupid shit like martyrdumb.

-Huge and varied maps with very few choke points and multiple routes to the objectives making every match played differently in some way. Not to mention half way thru a match the battlefield is completely altered due to the destruction system. Some of the towns that were standing when the match kicked off WILL be destroyed by the end of the match. When they say BF is a sandbox in online FPS form they mean it. Time after time in BF games i find myself saying "ive never had a battle on this section of the map before". A far cry from MW's cramped maps and its 'run to the choke point, hide behind wall, and wait' approach. Simply put - a map on MW is the size of one small village on a Battlefield map.

-Squad play. Since the maps are so vast - squads allow you to spawn on your friends rather than some random point on the map. The trick is to try to keep each other alive. Once youre all dead - its back to a base you control. This becomes a main element of the gameplay itself. Smart squad play is very rewarding and what sets BF games apart from most.

-In alot of ways, Battlefield is a thinking mans FPS - even despite the arcade-like action. Its not just shoot anything that moves deathmatch. Its objective based. You have to know when to advance and capture points, and when to settle in, set traps, and defend. The game doesnt spell this out for you especially in conquest mode. If you want to be good, you really do have to be aware of your entire surroundings and the entire map (or at least have a squad leader who is). A main element is trying to figure out where the enemy is heading or where you think they are heading over the vast maps.

...and that aint the half of it. DICE im expecting a pay check.

Well put.

[kingoffighters]

COD online has no staying power for me. It is the equivalent of a big budget summer blockbuster movie that's forgotten 2 months after release.

[K3V]

The campaign in this is fucking rad. That's good enough for me.

[kingoffighters]

Yup, I am going to play the heck out of the single player and then sell it while it is still worth something.

[Chux]

Or you could... rent it.

[kingoffighters]

I already pre-bought it when BB had it B1G1 50 off. I don't mind since I am basically paying $45 for it and I can sell it for close to that price within 30 days.

[Cowutopia]

Originally Posted by Yoshi

Bad Company is barely a Battlefield game. You won't understand until you have a view beyond console releases.

You continue to not acknowledge my PC gaming history. I played Battlefield 1, 2, and 2142 on the PC.

But I mean whatever you talk out your ass on almost every subject anyway.

The Point Stands, then. Bad Company is a battlefield game that is BEYOND incredibly shitty.

As to Changeling: All of your points about Bad Company Multi are invalidated by the worst weapons and map design in any shooter I've played in at least a decade, AND, because this matters to me, the singleplayer mode should not have been included. Comparing BC singleplayer to a CoD campaign is pretty much impossible anyway since BC singleplayer was just designed as co-op with bots.


I love the Battlefield games, but BC was a putrid piece of shit.

And CoD games and BF games are, as Destro said, completely different styles of game. I really don't understand you guys who play CoD for the multi. WaW was kind of fun, more fun than 4 anyway, but the reason you should play CoD games are for the campaign/arcade mode, and this holds true going all the way back to the MoH series.

[Drewbacca]

Until Yoshi is ready to acknowledge your long and checkered lineage of PC gaming I suggest we move on. COD is fun. Maybe there's better shit out there, so go to that thread and talk about it there. If you played Modern Warfare you know what to expect out of 2. You're acting like a bunch of bitches.

[wEEman33]

Bad Company was fun, but ultimately ruined by weapons that took way too long to kill people with or blow stuff up.

I didn't have any problem with the hit detection.

The other major problem with the game was that a lot of the maps were way too advantageous for the defense, so you'd have maps with 4 or 5 parts to them where the attacking team would never get past the first objective.

[ElCapichan]

Originally Posted by wEEman33

Bad Company was fun, but ultimately ruined by weapons that took way too long to kill people with or blow stuff up.

I didn't have any problem with the hit detection.

The other major problem with the game was that a lot of the maps were way too advantageous for the defense, so you'd have maps with 4 or 5 parts to them where the attacking team would never get past the first objective.

I dunno if it was hit detection or like you said weapons that didn't do nearly as much damage as they should. I just distinctly remember times that I would be strafing and it was like my bullets weren't fast enough to hit the guy 5 feet in front of me. Or just walking straight at a guy and not seeming to be able to hit him. I did not have this problem in 1943 or on the PC games.

[Yoshi]

Originally Posted by Cowutopia

You continue to not acknowledge my PC gaming history. I played Battlefield 1, 2, and 2142 on the PC.

Then what the hell was your original question?

[Cowutopia]

How Bad Company 1 was better than any CoD game? Someone said every Battlefield game is better than every CoD game and we just have to slow down and be real here: BC1 was a steaming turd.

[Drewbacca]

Why did people complain about Deep Impact? It was one the best aspects of the game, perk-wise. So you couldn't just hid behind a thin piece of a sheet metal and think you'd get away with shit. Making more "safe" materials to hide behind would be a better option than removing that shit altogether.

[Changeling]

BC1 was a good game that hardly anyone here gave a chance because they were too busy play COD in the boxes they call maps.

Also, I don't remember you playing any Battlefield game on PC. I mean, you might have, but I just don't remember you on xfire or anything.

[Changeling]

Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Why did people complain about Deep Impact? It was one the best aspects of the game, perk-wise. So you couldn't just hid behind a thin piece of a sheet metal and think you'd get away with shit. Making more "safe" materials to hide behind would be a better option than removing that shit altogether.

If they made "deep impact" weapon-specific, I wouldn't be upset. We'll find out tomorrow I guess.

[Cowutopia]

I never played these PC games with TNL I don't think ever. Since I was PC gaming long before I was playing over the internet on consoles I have an entirely different group of PC gaming friends that I friended before joining TNL. Actually I've lost touch with most of them now.

I played a little Diablo 2 and Starcraft with tnlers last year.

[SamuraiMoogle]

Well Deep impact is now a attachment for your guns. Its FNJ or something. I dont know what it stands for but its a type of bullet. I've been using it on my RPD and it seems nice.

[Netwurked]

You fags ready to start IYB clanning the shit out of the internets?

[Brand X]

I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOOT SMALL PEOPLE.

[Netwurked]

I hate you.

[SamuraiMoogle]

I dont think this is as good as 4 online. I didnt like WAW online at first so hopefully I just need to play some more to get better at it.

Prepare to get killed a lot more.

[Chux]

Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

Well Deep impact is now a attachment for your guns. Its FNJ or something. I dont know what it stands for

Fuck New Jersey.

I almost got this at Gamestop last night since they got clearance to sell early but was cock blocked by "Did you pre-order" fuck no I didn't preorder you god damned ape. I told them I'd just hop up the street to the store that caused them to break date as well and not get hassled.

I didn't buy it either way, but god damnit I could have if I wanted to!

[Pineapple]

I heard yesterday that they are going to wipe everyone's online stats tomorrow at release and set everyone back to nothing. I both don't want this (getting back to where I am) and do (three fucking prestiges already? Fuck you). I guess we will find out tomorrow.

Also FUCK Veteran mode. I made it to the third level and it's just unforgivingly brutal. I'm thinking unfair style. You guys made it seem like Demons Souls is not bad once you figure out the play style. This is not that kind of difficulty. This is inching out a doorway and being shot twice by someone you can't see and dying instantly. If you somehow manage to kill that guy, the guy three stories above him get's you a split second later. FUCK.

[ElCapichan]

Originally Posted by Pineapple

I heard yesterday that they are going to wipe everyone's online stats tomorrow at release and set everyone back to nothing. I both don't want this (getting back to where I am) and do (three fucking prestiges already? Fuck you). I guess we will find out tomorrow.

Also FUCK Veteran mode. I made it to the third level and it's just unforgivingly brutal. I'm thinking unfair style. You guys made it seem like Demons Souls is not bad once you figure out the play style. This is not that kind of difficulty. This is inching out a doorway and being shot twice by someone you can't see and dying instantly. If you somehow manage to kill that guy, the guy three stories above him get's you a split second later. FUCK.

I think the stat reseting is a good thing. Fuckers shouldn't even have the game yet anyways. I don't want to be getting anally raped for the first 10-15 matches or so. Also, wow, people already have 3+ prestiges? Some people really have no life.

[Brand X]

Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

I dont think this is as good as 4 online. I didnt like WAW online at first so hopefully I just need to play some more to get better at it.

Once we start raping people you know you'll be loving it. Like you I didn't like WaW at first online either, until I got used to it and started murdering bitches. Plus having a bunch of people who are playing the game together regularly makes a huge difference, just like it did in WaW.

[Drewbacca]

Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle

Well Deep impact is now a attachment for your guns. Its FNJ or something. I dont know what it stands for but its a type of bullet. I've been using it on my RPD and it seems nice.

Oh ok then that's alright. Kind of the same thing (it was an option anyway), but more weapon-specific. That's a good design decision, then. Doesn't matter much to me, anyway. I'm still of the mentality from the old FPS's where if you're hiding you can't be hit. So I usually foolishly follow people in to close-quarter.

Originally Posted by Pineapple

I heard yesterday that they are going to wipe everyone's online stats tomorrow at release and set everyone back to nothing. I both don't want this (getting back to where I am) and do (three fucking prestiges already? Fuck you). I guess we will find out tomorrow.

Also FUCK Veteran mode. I made it to the third level and it's just unforgivingly brutal. I'm thinking unfair style. You guys made it seem like Demons Souls is not bad once you figure out the play style. This is not that kind of difficulty. This is inching out a doorway and being shot twice by someone you can't see and dying instantly. If you somehow manage to kill that guy, the guy three stories above him get's you a split second later. FUCK.

That sounds just like the other games...

[Netwurked]

Actually I think you put the FNJ IYB so TNL can GMP.

Just shoot the guys that are a different color than you, tough.

[aren]

I'm so pissed they destroyed this game on the PC. I can't believe I'm going to get this shit on the 360. So what the fuck does TNL play? TDM? =/

& ROFL @ the edition with night vision goggles for $150.

[Pineapple]

Well I finished the fourth mission on Vet after dying probably a good 150 times. Seems I made it through with more luck than anything. The later missions... fuck I doubt I'll ever beat them, some serious cheap shit going on especially when 3 hits kill.

I prefer Domination because of the amount of XP you get, but TDM is fine too. I really enjoyed Sabatoge in the fourth game but haven't unlocked it yet in this one.

[SamuraiMoogle]

Played Ground War today and did pretty damn good. Seems a little better with more people playing. I was planting Sentry guns around capture points in domination and they were raping people. Then I sit near my Sentry and hose down people that were trying to kill it with my RPD. BTW, theres a ton of people online with this already. Over 100,000.

Got the perk cold blooded and I didnt get killed from the air once. Flying shit cant see me now! I've also enjoyed blowing the fuck out flying shit with my homing rocket launcher. See that UAV flying in the distance? Blow the fucker up!!! +50! Harrier Jet mowing your team down? BLOW THE FUCKER UP!! +300! LOL