I've never done it, but it should be legalized.
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I've never done it, but it should be legalized.
Pot turned many of my high school friends into useless lazy bums who are now funded by my tax dollars. Not a fan of the stuff!
Of course, throwing people in jail for possessing it wastes even more of our time and money, and incarcerated potheads surely won't turn out better after doing time. I'd rather it wasn't legalized since it smells awful and I'd hate to have to experience it when going out, but there shouldn't be nasty penalties like there are now.
Dont like it, consider it a sign of complete weakness(as i do of alcohol too), but if they decriminalized it and just taxed it like cigs, i would be happy. Pot funds terrorism because it is illegal, legalize it and take away a source of revenue from the wrong people, i see only plusses.
Somebody has been watching too much TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwolf ex
Same here. I don't touch the stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Hm... I think it should be legal, solely on the basis that many pot smokers are harmless, lazy people.
However, I've got no love for it. Turns me into a couch potato in seconds flat... I'd rather be drawing, which is something pot seriously hampers for me. "Artistic Inspiration"? Screw that. Lies!
And I quote...
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deaths per year TOBACCO=400,000 ALCOHOL=100,000 ILLEGAL DRUGS=15,000 CAFFEINE=2,000 ASPIRIN=500 MARIJUANA=0
What a joke! No carcinogenic substance that impairs driving has a zero mortality rate.Quote:
Marijuana=0
I'm a pothead. |-)
And a general math major. Ganj makes you stupid? I laugh at your ignorance...then roll a J, than smoke a J, then laugh again!
Don't worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
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ILLEGAL DRUGS=15,000
I'm guessing you've never taken E then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracer
I agree 100% with that, and everything that PaCrappa has said.Quote:
And guess what. If you've never done the stuff then you really don't know much about it, no matter how many people you've seen doing it. Nothing beats first hand experience and, for the most part, if you don't have it you're just another kid talking out of his ass.
Surely there must be more people out there that have smoked it though? C'mon everyone, own up :p
No one has owned up to taking anything else though..? 88 is the only person on here I know of.
At the start of the year, my brother introduced me to ecstasy. When he first asked me to try it, I was in the same boat as pretty much the majority of the people that had replied in this thread. I wasn't so much against all drugs, I just didn't like the idea of my brother taking anything other than weed.
After a fair bit of convincing, I decided to try one.
It was christmas eve, so we both decided to go to city for the night. Go to a few pubs or something. On the way there, that's when he asked me if I wanted to try it. I took it in the car on our way to town. The drive took about 35 minutes to get there. When we got into the city, I still couldn't feel anything different. We drove around for a bit, then stopped to take a piss. First step out of the car, everything just seemed different. Rushes up the back of my neck, tingling in my lips. Can't really explain it.
We just drove around for a bit more, had the tunes blaring at our faces. You could just feel the music through your body. We stopped at a pub to hit the pokies for a bit. After having decent conversations with about 10 complete strangers while my brother hit the slots, we decided to leave.
Went for a walk down the main street of the city. Me and my brother just chatting the whole time we were walking. Chatting about the good times we had growning up as kids, telling things that we've hidden from eachother (like what really happened to my Masters of The Universe collection :curse: ).. Also, things we would never talk about otherwise... Girls, sex.. I dunno.. Just things we would never usually discuss. Our family was never really close. Sure, we all live in the same house, but we would never really talk about issues in our lives. We'd just go about our own business. We're all pretty quiet. But on E, it was different talking to my brother. We opened up so much to each other. It was like we were best of friends.
We walked around looking for places to let us in (I only had some Nike track pants on. I didn't know we would be going anywhere when we left. I just thought we were going for a drive around town.. Just waste some time). Finally found a pretty quiet pub. Just sat down and had a beer, then hit the pool table. Met a quite a few people there. Had some really good conversations. Conversations that I still remember to this day. I still remember a few of the people's faces too. I bumped into one of them about a month ago. He was pretty freaked out that I could still remember someone that I met for about 10 minutes after 7 months. To be honest, so am I. So much for drugs fucking with your mind, eh ;)
After an hour and a bit of cleaning up on the pool table, we decided to go home. The drive home seemed like forever.. But that wasn't neccessarily (sp?) a bad thing. Just gave us more time to chat.
When we pulled up outside our house, he said he was going 'round to his girlfriends house. We got out the car, sat on the curb and had a pipe. Just before he left, I thanked him, shook his hand, and gave him a massive hug.
And that my friends, was one of the best nights of my life. No just because of the fact that E gives you an awesome feeling, but that fact that I opened up to my brother like that. I have plenty more experiences, and they're all much more exciting than that one, but I'll remember that night forever.
I've always been a very shy person in my life. The only person who I could really talk to was my best friend. She was the only person who understood me. We could just sit there for ages, not say a word, and everything was cool. If that was anyone else, be it another friend or another girl, they'd tell me I'm strange for being so quiet. But that's just me, I guess. I'm a quiet person.
Not so much anymore though. That pill, it pretty much changed my life.
I take a few everynow and then. Only on special occasions.. A mate's birthday or something. Most of my friends are agasint me taking them, but I've gotten a few to take them too. The ones that have, we're now the closest that friends can get.
I don't even know where this is going.. I'm raving on about crap. I just had to let it out, that's all.
I know E's (along with pretty much every other drug) are bad. I know they contain smack, speed, rat poison...whatever they've put in them. I also know that each one could be my last.
But, I don't abuse drugs.. I appreciate them for what they are. I don't over do it. I'm not addicted or anything. I take them when I want to have a good time with friends. Actually.. Not a good time. A fucking great time. I don't rely on them to have myself a good time, but it helps. It helps me overcome any shyness or whatever it is that's stopped me from being who I want to be. I don't know if that makes sense.
I've also met my girlfriend while on E. She's the most important person in my life at the moment. The most amazing girl I've ever met in my life. But I wouldn't have met her if I wasn't. I wouldn't have had the courage to go up to her and tell her that she had (still has) the best smile I've seen.
You're all probably thinking I'm a crazy, drug-fucked loser or something, and that's fine I guess. I know I'm not. Everyone has their own opinion, and they're entitled to that. But what I always say, don't knock it 'till you try it.
Once again. Sorry for raving on about all that shit. Just had to get it out of my system.
All I know is, it's made me a better person. Better towards my family, friends and even work.
Anyways, speaking if work, it's time to leave for it.
Flame away.
Edit: I've tried a few others too.. Speed, trips, meth, mushrooms.. And of course, weed.. But IMO, they're all shit.
Don't know why I posted that really. Had nothing to do with the topic.
But as I said, don't knock drugs.. Specially weed ffs. Sure, you may be against it, but don't try and act all high and mighty just because you have never touched the stuff before.
Just chiming in to say the title of this thread is Pol Pot.
Just thought that was amusing.
It stinks up the kitchen something awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mman
It's an experience. Something you haven't felt before, and something you won't, unless you try it.
The first few times might get you no reaction, and you'll probably sit there, waiting, wondering "Am I stoned?"
You'll know when you are.
Don't do it if you're weak-willed. Just like alcohol, you can become emotionally dependent on it (physically, too, with the alky). Everything in moderation.
Don't be afraid of something because of propaganda. Don't listen to things that people or groups of people with money to spare pay to have aired. That doesn't make it the truth. Then again, the things I (or your friends) say might not be the truth either.
Have a strong sense of your own morality, and stand by it. Laws are shaped by petty politics, necessity and money, and are variable. Your morality should not be. What's legal and what is moral to you might not be the same as what is legal in your area. Don't be naive. Welcome to the real world.
I won't look down on anyone who is hesitant to do something dangerous, something harmful, something potentially deadly in a direct, oops-my-brain-is-bleeding-and-my-x-rays-will-show-holes-in-it-after-I'm-dead way (E, I'm looking in your direction).
Weed isn't going to kill you directly. Do it with friends, and don't drive.
Just some random things that were bothering me. Sorry if it doesn't make too much sense.
Drugs I have done: (estimated times I've done them)Quote:
No one has owned up to taking anything else though..? 88 is the only person on here I know of.
Teh weed (> 1500, probobly >> 1500)
Teh alcohol (100)
Acid (25)
Mushrooms (10)
Opium (3)
Nutmeg (1)
Coke (1)
Ikaruga (>> 2000)
Originally posted by Matt:
"Pot turned many of my high school friends into useless lazy bums who are now funded by my tax dollars. Not a fan of the stuff! "
Your friends were already lazy and useless, face facts. Pot doesn't "turn" anoyone into anything. It's not magic. Your friends simply chose weed like many other people choose things like sugar, alcohol, anime, tobacco, caffiene, painkillers, videogames, books, sports, etc. It is merely something that someone pays for and then spends their time doing. It makes noone into nothing that they weren't already.
Originally posted by frostwolf:
"Pot funds terrorism because it is illegal"
How? American, Canadian and Mexican weed farmers are somehow terrorists? They risk their asses to grow weed only to give the fucking money to Osama bin Laden? Just cuz The Dubya says it, don't make it so. Wise the fuck up, please.
Originally posted by YellerDog:
"many pot smokers are harmless, lazy people."
Like your mom? And countless other non weedsmokers? Weed doesn't cause laziness. Being that weed is illegal(so not everyone can easily get it) I'd bet money that the number of people who qualify as "lazy" that don't smoke pot greatly exceeds the number of lazy people that do.
Originally posted by Matt:
"What a joke! No carcinogenic substance that impairs driving has a zero mortality rate. "
Show me the facts and figures about proven weed related death. If you're talking about driving related deaths, I'll need weed to be the ONLY substance in a person's blood stream in order to take that "point" of yours seriously.
Originally posted by ruslah:
"I know E's (along with pretty much every other drug) are bad. I know they contain smack, speed, rat poison... "
I used to take some E from time to time. I'm certainly over it now but while I was using it I used www.dancesafe.org That site has photographic reference of actual pills that the site's patrons send in for analysis. The breakdown tells potential users what's in the pill and how much of it and the region from which the pill was sent from. I compared every single pill I ever took to that site, always found the one I had in hand, and always had great experiences from pills cross referenced through that site.
Originally posted by Mzo:
"Don't do it if you're weak-willed. "
Kids, those words apply to EVERYTHING and we should all thank the serious, sober minded Mzo for bringing such wisdom to light. If more people could just take personal responsibility in life, we'd need no drug laws and no phonyass war on drugs.
And since ruslah asked, I've done every illegal drug I can think of aside from PCP. The videos they showed in health class made me afraid and I've never wanted to test that one. The worst stuff I can think of is Ketamine and its ilk. The tranquilizers are fucking lame. Avoid. Opiates are too good for words, but nobody (I MEAN IT SO PAY ATTENTION YOU EXPERIMENTAL TEENS) wants to be a junkie. Gross, lame and expensive. Cocaine sucks. The psychedelics are very worthwhile but I advise a huge measure of caution. Speed is just as bad as the tranquilizers. Don't go near it ever, especially if you have "ADD" and they want to get you on Ritalin/Adderall or somesuch. The price you pay isn't worth being socially acceptable or "more motivated"(if you call motivation "getting high on speed" that is). If you are or have been diagnosed with such made up neuveau diseases as "ADD" or "ADHD" or whatever, I suggest first a second opinion and then if you believe that you do have something along those lines check www.drweil.com or look into some other holistsic approach. Speed is an insidious poison and taking it from the doctor is just like taking it from that scumbag off the street.
Pa
Then forget what it was you were laughing about and go score some Doritos.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoboruWataya
What really annoys me is Hemp is still illegal in the US, it has a zillion uses, could help our struggling american farmers, and you would suffocate on the smoke before you could get high off it.
Lobbyists for the lumber industry make sure that hemp will never be legal here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
JM
No shit man. Commercial hemp typically contains less than .05% THC, while the shit I smoke is between 15-20%. You simply can NOT get high off of hemp. It's not even the same thing. Thanks to the war on drugs we can count on paper companies tearing down any forest they can get their hands on while we get to wait hundreds of years for that shit to regrow. It takes less than four months to grow as big a hemp crop as you'd like.
And hey everyone! It's PaCrappa Challenge time! Since not a single soul was able to step up with any actual documentation of marijuana's supposed ill effects on human health I want to propose a new challenege for all you smartypants anti-weed types.
Today's challenge consists of finding me anything at any level of social importance that Nancy Reagan achieved before becoming the president's wife and coining the phrase "Just Say No!", thereby starting the modern "War on Drugs" as we know it.
Pa
Well, I'm pretty sure I can't run a sub-6:00 mile anymore. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
I can. Sounds like you need to get busy man!
Pa
*edit!* Wait, sub seven here, not sub six. I've never done a sub sixer, my bad.
To be fair I only did it once, but I always hovered around the 6:00 mark. I could've done some damage if I like, trained and stuff.
I think I can still beat most people in short distance, though.
When I say "sub seven" I think my best *ever* was like 6:40ish. And when I say I "can" I don't mean I do. I'm usually between 7 and 8 these days unless I have something to prove.
Pa
I think I can pull off a sub-seven. Me not being able to do it would probably have more to do with me not running for the longest time than my pot smoking.
I was just touching on the fact of no one providing proof of any ill-effects of pot smoking on the human body when it's pretty obvious that your lungs are better off without it.
Some rappers can go for quite some time with smoke in their lungs before having to exhale. Most especially Method Man.
I had to do 3 miles in 18 minutes once.
Those days are long gone. I could maybe do 1 1/2 is 18 mins now.
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Originally Posted by PaCrappa
Did I mention it makes political-wannabe assholes into bigger assholes? Say, documented proof! Thanks P! :D
Replace Doritos with a Quesadea and Horchata and you have yourself a truth.Quote:
Then forget what it was you were laughing about and go score some Doritos.
Since we're still ignoring my old posts, time to hit Google again for fun. Problem is, "actual documentation" swings both ways depending on where you go. Two "official" documents like this and this constantly contridict each other. Documentation means all of dick here, and it all leads back to what a person experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
I think that's useless for everyone. America's War On Drugs is pathetic, shoddy, and generally pointless: Who cares about it?Quote:
Today's challenge consists of finding me anything at any level of social importance that Nancy Reagan achieved before becoming the president's wife and coining the phrase "Just Say No!", thereby starting the modern "War on Drugs" as we know it.
Potheads are annoying. Period. If you do pot, and you are not annoying, I'm sorry. Go kill the annoying ones and maybe the haters will get off your case.
But seriously, the war on drugs, or at least pot should end. It's not right for a nation to be at war with itself, with its own people. Things should be being done to try to elivate the human experence were pot usage doesn't become a problem for others. And when i say that, I'm not talking about average joe smoe pot user, but hardass potheads who annoy everyone by talking about pot 24/7. You know the guy, the one that won't shut up about that bong he made out of his granddad's old lawn mower. Sure pot doesn't kill, but shit man, a life like that is waste of human life. Something needs to be done were people don't get that deep into it.
It's futile in the end though. Things will probably never change. The mother's and fauthers of the nation are to afraid that if they let it get legalized little Sandy Sue will grow up to be that greesy slut strung out on crank walking on the side walk, that they saw while they drove to work yesterday. They feel making it out-lawed is the only way to protect their babies.
Something needs to be done. The nation is hurting its own people with the way it is doing things. But nothing will probably change because no one knows a better way to protect todays youth from its own stupitity. No one knows how to protect the weak from the their own weakness.
Oh, I know they were lazy beforehand, but certainly not the world champions of uselessness that they were when I last saw them. Naturally, many people can enjoy pot responsibly and still be well-rounded members of society. But if you're someone who doesn't know what to do with themselves, doesn't care, and is just looking to escape, pot is the perfect crutch to avoid your problems with.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCrappa
It's only common sense. Any type of burning plant smoke will put tar in your lungs - it'll give you cancer just like cigarettes will.Quote:
Show me the facts and figures about proven weed related death. If you're talking about driving related deaths, I'll need weed to be the ONLY substance in a person's blood stream in order to take that "point" of yours seriously.
I don't feel like digging up weed-related car statistics right now, but I have known somebody who got into a serious accident while stoned. Locally, we've had a few dramatic wrecks where the drivers had been smoking (my girlfriend works at the local news station, so I get to hear about this stuff every night). Was pot the only factor here? Would the drivers have been stupid and crashed regardless? That's beyond me. You can probably argue whatever you like but I sure as hell am not going to get into a car with someone who's high.
But why all this denial anyhow? We all know how many deaths are caused by alcohol each year, but most of us still drink (and it's not illegal to do so).
Eventually, the old farts in office now will die, and we can only hope that the new generation that replaces them will be smarter. That's the only way it'll change for the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
It's already happening in other parts of the world - most of Europe and Canada are doing a good job as we speak. America likes to resist progress, but they'll come round some day.
yeah like when we finally accepted the better and more accurate metric system over our own...
english system is crap. I can understanding keaping it around for machines, but god does it just add more crap to college science classes.
But I can spell simple words perfectly fine. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronPlant
Omni, hey, if you can figure out what im smoking that causes bad spelling, feel free to ban it.
Ha, you have to be smoking something to have a shoddy brain?
Maybe you should just like, learn how to read.
Darren (PaCrappa) owned some of you guys. I'd rather be around him than some of you guys. Anyway, I can't stand the stuff. It makes me physically sick. But there really isn't much of a difference between relaxing with that vs. relaxing with alcohol, good (read: unhealthy) food, or videogames. You know, videogames are bad, right? The shot of adrenaline you get while not doing anything physical can really mess you up. That's probably worse for you. But I digress. I have never done it or will because I don't need it. I also don't need alcohol, but I'm not going to go on a tirade and call everyone that uses it "stupid". I think a lot of people that use it are stupid, a lot of people that drink (read: college lamers that NEED to drink or else they aren't having fun) are stupid, and a lot of self-proclaimed hardcore gamers are CERTAINLY stupid.
I might be too.
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Anyway, I can't stand the stuff. It makes me physically sick.
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But I digress. I have never done it or will because I don't need it.
It = I've been around people doing it.
That = a dumb thing to say.