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Well, the parts about MGS and Zelda were about the hype at the end of '97. The way I remember it, everything hinged on that. Then when GE came out, all of a sudden there was something tangible to get excited about. But I understand your point.
--Scourge .
In regards to your writing: I think you need to condense those paragraphs together. It's too spread out and makes it look longer then it really is (since we're viewing it on a monitor instead of a magazine page); the first three paragraphs could become one, for starters. Group like-minded things together a bit more.To this I say yes. Why? Because if a game is that good, it will hold up indefinately. I'm still playing the original Doom series because it still holds up with its great levels, fast gameplay, and wonderful design.Quote:
I could say that Virtua Fighter 4 is totally better than Street Fighter 2. Would that be fair?
My problems with Goldeneye stem from control issues and weapons and their effects. The graphics aren't the main problem here.Quote:
I could even say you are doing a disservice to Rare for what they were able to do on somewhat weak hardware compared to the average gaming pc rig.
In regards to Doom III and UT2k3: My love for UT2k3 comes from Bombing Run, not the strict killing. Regular killing is done better with Q3, but BR adds a sports-like team aspect which happens to involve killing instead of tackling or some such. It's a whole lot of fun, and really the main reason I think it's a great game.
As for Doom III... wait and see, trust me on this. It's not your average FPS, and plays nothing like the originals. Remember my comment about RE above? This is a game in which guns blazing will get you killed, you must learn how to avoid enemies and properly take them down. New big thing: Zombies don't die.
I think you might be interested in Natural Selection, just because it presents things in such a new way. Check out their website and read Penny Arcade's writings (not comics) for a couple quick impressions. I'll add some once I can get some free space on my HD and play it, but take a look. The whole commander and alien communication parts are really inventive.
Well, I understand what you mean about a game standing up to all competition forever, no matter what it's up against. But in regards to Street Fighter II and VF4, I think it is important to keep in mind a game's innovations. What does it do for a genre? Street Fighter II completely overhauled the way fighting games were made and everything that has been made since can thank Capcom for that because the difference between the fighting genre pre-SF2 and post-SF2 are night and day. SF2 created the genre today that VF4 improves upon.
Goldeneye forever changed FPS's. Even the Quakes and Dooms felt they had to add story elements and give the player a little bit more to do than kill, and all because of Goldeneye. NOLF wouldn't exist if Goldeneye had laid down the path for it to follow.
And I have to wonder if those who don't care for GE actually played it through on all difficulty levels and went through and tried some of the challenges to open up cheats. I wonder that because GE had an incredible amount of depth compared to anything out on the market at the time and GE is the reason FPS's from then on needed more depth to be competitive.
I never had a problem with the control schemes, so I don't know what to say to counter points against that. If someone is uncomfortable with the control schemes of a game, there's nothing anyone else can say to change their mind about that.
As for effects of weapons, the only weapon in Goldeneye that I hated was the Klobb. Everything else was spot on for me.
I've taken people's critiques of the writing to heart and made changes accordingly. Needless exposition about non-related games in the first couple of paragraphs has been removed. Also, 2 sets of three paragraphs were combined into 2 paragraphs. Some language has been cleaned up to be more in accordance with the admin's requests.
:)
--Scourge .
Remember: Innovation does not mean a good game.
Quake did not feel that it had to change because of GE. Q2, which had a story, connected levels, and a path throughout the entire game (which HL is proclaimed by many people to have first :confused: ) was released in December 1997, right after GE. In short, they would've had no time to retool the game; everything that Q2 did had already been planned out and worked on. (I realize you meant FPS' in general, but I'm saying the rest of the industry had caught up before it had a chance to get behind.)
In regards to depth, level challenges and difficulty levels meant nothing to those of us who didn't care for GE and were on PC, because of the ever-lasting online multiplayer. Sure, I could go play a level over and over again, but why bother when I have thousands of thinking opponents willing to play some CTF? Yes, GE had multiplayer, but it was cramped with levels not very well made for multiple people and had a limit on four max. Which also meant you had a tiny screen (split-screen is the devil).
In regards to control schemes, it comes down to that no gamepad released has the speed and precision of a mouse. It's not Rare's fault, it's simply the genre doesn't work on that format. Like RTS'.
Also, one of the things I hated with a passion in GE was the explosions. Those have to be the worst explosions I've ever encountered in a videogame due to their insanely over-long presence and damage which strikes outside the graphical appearance. If two people were in an angled hallway and one fired a rocket into the corner, you could get up and get something to drink while waiting for the damage to clear. Ridiculous.
Innovation may not equal good, but the real difference of opinion here is highlighted in that second paragraph above. As a fan of GE, I think you missed the entire point of the gameplay experience if you feel like replaying the levels remotely compares to us fans of GE to endless multiplayer matches on PC.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
Remember: Innovation does not mean a good game.
In regards to depth, level challenges and difficulty levels meant nothing to those of us who didn't care for GE and were on PC, because of the ever-lasting online multiplayer. Sure, I could go play a level over and over again, but why bother when I have thousands of thinking opponents willing to play some CTF? Yes, GE had multiplayer, but it was cramped with levels not very well made for multiple people and had a limit on four max. Which also meant you had a tiny screen (split-screen is the devil).
That makes me believe even more strongly that you didn't play GE all the way through on each difficulty, because as naive as I may sound when talking about PC FPS's, you sound equally naive of how GE was structured. Not that I mean anything bad by that because it's obvious you are a diehard fan of traditional PC FPS's. They do nothing for me. I can't think of anything much more boring than the one player experience of a Quake or Doom game. As for multiplayer, I don't consider it the meat of a game, which is why I focused much more on the single player of GE in my review. I may have played more multiplayer GE than single player, but one thing you hate about it, split screen, is why I played the hell out of it. Having my best friends right there made it all worth it. It may not compare to a LAN, but getting 4 high powered PCs into one room so we can all share the experience of the latest PC FPS is a bit expensive for my tastes.
Incidentally, one of my best friend's is like you, a diehard PC FPS fan and he HATED GE. He's probably one of the biggest online players in the US, seriously, not just FPS's mind you. He raves on like you do. I don't understand him.:p
But it's obviously a matter of taste and not substance because I think you and I can both agree that our chosen gaming pursuits in this regard fulfill in us a great deal of pleasure, whether we understand the other's opinions or not. Of course, I wouldn't go onto a reader review of UT2003 or Doom III and say they suck because they don't play like Goldeneye. I'd feel kind of silly doing that. Sometimes I think PC gamers really feel they are well above console gamers and I think the industry has proven there is room for both.
--Scourge .
Because, in the end, bots are stupid. And you're right, the SP levels in GE don't compare to PC MP. ;)Quote:
As a fan of GE, I think you missed the entire point of the gameplay experience if you feel like replaying the levels remotely compares to us fans of GE to endless multiplayer matches on PC.
As for not considering MP the meat of the game, consider that the only reason any FPS sticks around for long is because of MP. Doom had word-of-mouth light up like wildfire across BBS', and Deathmatching was what caused it to stay for so long. Quake has become the MP and mod-based game series, with the SP portion considered an "addition" by the people who play it. HL was big, but what made it really take off was Counter-Strike, including many people who bought HL solely for that. It still gets played to this day based on CS alone. GE's success came almost exclusively from its four-player deathmatch, many I know of who went for the challenges were either really bored or wanted the cheats for messing around in MP.For the record, I wasn't as into FPS' anywhere near as much as I am now when GE came out, and I hated it then too. It seemed too clunky to me and I didn't really like any of the levels. Then I played multiplayer and really began to not like it, until I simply sat back and watched others play it which made me lose all respect for it. MP seems based more around poking annoyance tactics and heaping amounts of auto-aim then it does on skill (this game was the father of my utter hate for auto-aiming in FPS'). The Tekken of FPS', if you will.Quote:
Incidentally, one of my best friend's is like you, a diehard PC FPS fan and he HATED GE.
Of course not, you haven't played them. ;)Quote:
Of course, I wouldn't go onto a reader review of UT2003 or Doom III and say they suck because they don't play like Goldeneye.
You're very funny.:) Thanks for the debate! It's been nice. You've made good points and still managed to change my mind absolutely none!:p
Just remember I'm a console gamer with no aspirations to take on PC gaming anytime soon, even if I secretly end up buying No One Lives Forever 1 or 2 and end up seeing why GE sucked.;)
Goldeneye: 11 out of 10.
All Else: 1 for making it to market.
:D
--Scourge .
My goal wasn't to change your mind, it was to state mine and counter your arguments. :)Quote:
You've made good points and still managed to change my mind absolutely none!
'Til next time...