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03 May 2006, 02:09 PM
Dolemite

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Originally Posted by napalm

Either way, I'm going to try the Max OT program to the book for a month and see how that goes before I actually start taking NO-Xplode. Keep in mind that the only supplements I have actually been taking (besides flax seed oil and leucine) is just protein.

Gotcha. Remember, failure on each set, and always try to increase your weights (but not at the expense of form). It's very easy to just fall into a groove and stick with the same weight when you could really be doing more.
03 May 2006, 02:12 PM
Opaque

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

I still say naplam should get the lifting/eating aspects down before launching into a full-blown supplement routine. With your inexperience, you'll just be throwing money away. Someone like Opaque, who has already made progress in the weight room and seems to have a handle on what works for him, is ready to start taking that stuff, but I don't think you are. Master the basics first.

Hell, I did the same thing when I first got into lifting. I went out, bought all these crazy powders (something called Hot Stuff was big back then), pills, etc, and they all did nothing. It wasn't until I got experienced with the lifting and my diet, figured out what worked and what didn't, that I finally started making actual progress. Supplements can help, but only if you're maximising your effort in the gym and are eating properly. If you're lifting half-assedly or incorrectly and not eating right, all the No-Xplode on Earth won't help you.

My advice is to just spend a few months developing a training routine that works (if you need to, hire a personal trainer for a few workouts- almost any gym has them) and lifting like a maniac, and eating tons of protein. A decent protein powder is all you really need at this point. Of course, that's just my opinion.

I think he's been working out long enough that NO-XPLODE isa logical addition to his routine. He doesn't need Cellmass or Nitrix yet, though. Not be a long shot.

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BTW, this No-Xplode stuff does sound interesting. I may look into it.

Once you take that (or a product of similar nature like Ninjas) you won't ever want to go back. It really does make your workouts better by keeping your muslces from crapping out on you.

If you can finish sets at a higher weight becuase of it, of course you're going to gain mass.
03 May 2006, 02:14 PM
napalm

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Gotcha. Remember, failure on each set, and always try to increase your weights (but not at the expense of form). It's very easy to just fall into a groove and stick with the same weight when you could really be doing more.

Yep Yep. I do have a hard time, however, going to failure on squats, but seriously, fuck squats. I can't wait until next week when I unravel the mystery of warming up before sets! lolz.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

So what you're saying is you'd rather have something that tastes good than will actually help you get into the shape you want to be in?

Why not just drink a soda?

Because Muscle Milk is still a good supplement, and I'd much rather take a delicious tasting shake in the morning and lose out on 20g of protein, than feel like I'm about to throw up.

Ask ninjas, I'm sure he could give you some more insight on why muscle milk rocks.
03 May 2006, 02:16 PM
Opaque

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Originally Posted by napalm

Because Muscle Milk is still a good supplement, and I'd much rather take a delicious tasting shake in the morning and lose out on 20g of protein, than feel like I'm about to throw up.

Ask ninjas, I'm sure he could give you some more insight on why muscle milk rocks.

Yeah, it's better than water.

If you want to get in good shape though, you have to man up. You can spend the same money and see a HUGE increase in your size and recovery becaue of the added protein you'll be intaking.

I can't force you to make smart decisions with your suppliments though.
03 May 2006, 02:17 PM
Dolemite

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Originally Posted by Opaque

So what you're saying is you'd rather have something that tastes good than will actually help you get into the shape you want to be in?

Why not just drink a soda?

lolz
03 May 2006, 02:22 PM
Opaque

Just incase that lolz is because you like Muscle Milk let me explain a few things.

To start, Muscle Milk is not a shitty suppliment. It's fine if you can afford to take in three or more a day. Napalm can't. From what I've read in this thread it sounds like he can only really afford to drink one a day, and based on price I'm seeing that he's spending 40 bucks a month to get 30 grams a day.

Now unless I'm mistaken he was talking a few pages back about how he didn't believe he was taking in enough protein; this is why he's not gaining strength or size.

Now he has two choices, continue to buy Muslce Milk in the small quantities he is and never really gain any size or strength or usethat 40 dollars to get himself a ton of powder and start taking in 100 grams of protein a day.

That's 70 grams more protein while still fitting into his budget.
03 May 2006, 02:40 PM
Dolemite

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Originally Posted by Opaque

Just incase that lolz is because you like Muscle Milk let me explain a few things.

To start, Muscle Milk is not a shitty suppliment. It's fine if you can afford to take in three or more a day. Napalm can't. From what I've read in this thread it sounds like he can only really afford to drink one a day, and based on price I'm seeing that he's spending 40 bucks a month to get 30 grams a day.

Now unless I'm mistaken he was talking a few pages back about how he didn't believe he was taking in enough protein; this is why he's not gaining strength or size.

Now he has two choices, continue to buy Muslce Milk in the small quantities he is and never really gain any size or strength or usethat 40 dollars to get himself a ton of powder and start taking in 100 grams of protein a day.

That's 70 grams more protein while still fitting into his budget.

Shame you typed all that- the lolz was actually directed at your "Why not just drink a soda?" comment. 'Cause it was funny.

I agree that Muscle Milk might not be the best route for the lad to go, especially if he's on a budget.
03 May 2006, 02:42 PM
Opaque

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Shame you typed all that- the lolz was actually directed at your "Why not just drink a soda?" comment. 'Cause it was funny.

I figured it probably was.

Really I just wanted another chance to beat it into Napalm's head that he needs to start eating right.
03 May 2006, 03:24 PM
Cowdisease

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Originally Posted by napalm

Yep Yep. I do have a hard time, however, going to failure on squats, but seriously, fuck squats. I can't wait until next week when I unravel the mystery of warming up before sets! lolz.

According to the Max OT tome, squats are the only exercise where it's okay not to go to failure since it is so important for working out the legs. Don't go too heavy on squats and concentrate on maintaining proper form.

The key to warming up is to prepare your muscles for the Max OT sets without expending energy. Your first set should be light--ten reps without breaking a sweat. You go heavier in your second set, but not so heavy that you have to exert energy to finish the set (I usually do eight). Some people warm up with three sets, but I feel ready after doing two.

And remember, once you warm up a muscle group, you don't have to warm it up again when you do another exercise for that muscle group. For example, after you warm up your chest muscles with bench presses, you don't have to do warm-up sets for your chest when you move to incline bench press.
03 May 2006, 04:48 PM
The_Meach

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

The more sore you are, the more micro-tears you've made in your muscle fibers, the bigger/stronger you'll be when they repair themselves via rest/eating.

Quick question. I'm not all that sore the next day after lifting but I AM going to muscle failure on each of my sets (usually 7 reps, then 5, then 4 on an individual exercise). Should I be feeling "new-lifter" sore after my workouts or have I just become conditioned to recover faster (through working out and rehydrating)? I've been mixing up my exercises (but I could probably do better) and I spend about an hour lifting pretty intensely each day (4 sets per muscle group, each set is to fatigue like above).

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

Meach couldn't resist teh cock, however.

Heh. Touche.

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