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I remember that in the early days of the NES, we had about 5 original games for every sequel that is released.
But these days, it seems like the ratio has completely reversed. We now get about 5 sequels for every original title.
I mean look at Namco, one of the worst offenders. Have they released even ONE original game in the last year??
Even Sega, who used to have a good ratio, is falling into sequel-itis. I think they've only released 2 original games this year so far.
Don't you have your own board to post this kind of tripe on? This schtick is getting old.
Or have they kicked you off your own board again?
Dead to Rights, Vampire Night, Ninja Assault, etc.Quote:
Originally posted by opa-opa
I mean look at Namco, one of the worst offenders. Have they released even ONE original game in the last year??
Baron:
Why is this tripe?
BTW, good to see you again too.
A good game is a good game regardless of whether it is a sequel or not. Sega have been doing many sequels so far this year but when it's games like Panzer Dragoon Orta, JSRF and Shinobi I don't see how one can complain when they still bring out original material like Gungrave, Super Monkey Ball and Gunvalkyrie. If you don't like the sequels then don't buy them, there's plenty of original stuff out there.
Why?
There's just too much negativity about any particular interest on the internet. Of course, I often consider it free entertainment. :sneak: It simply boggles the mind as to why people continue to torture themselves so if they seem so genuinely disinterested and bitter about something to the point that you are with video games. Instead of constantly bemoaning what you feel is some mythical decline of hardcore gaming, go out and, um, buy GC PSO or something. You raved about the DC rev for months.
You're jiving with my good karma.
Simple. The market got bigger and sequels are safer sells. Did the whole PS-mainstream boom fly right by you?
So you think that we, as gamers, should never complain or criticize the state of our hobby?
Just let the game companies do whatever they think is right, we just shut up and buy everything like sheep, right?
There are a few companies in particular who are just taking this sequeling thing too far. Sega and Nintendo are the biggest offenders right now. Nintendo's been doing it for a loooong time. Sega was pretty good about releasing orignal stuff up til recently, but their upcoming line up is *entirely* sequels.
You need a new interest. Might I suggest learning a musical instrument? Come back to us in a year and play some mournful tunes on the pan flute.
Let me take this approach in my explanation - In the NES days, there were fewer sequels because there were fewer games to make sequels of.Quote:
I remember that in the early days of the NES, we had about 5 original games for every sequel that is released.
*hi-hat*
Well, I think sequels have always been milked a bit in this industry. Super Mario 2 & 3 on NES, the ton of Tomb Raiders, Spyro and Crash games on the PSX, even the three Panzer Dragoon games on Saturn. And the Final Fantasies and Dragon Quests have been rolling along for some time...
Notice I lumped good and bad examples of sequels above. It's all about the quality of the individual sequels and how they improve and differentiate themselves from previous titles.
For the most part, I think the qualities of sequels in this gen has been pretty good. But we're still early on. Usually series can go downhill after that second game...
Amen Brother.Quote:
Originally posted by Sidez
A good game is a good game regardless of whether it is a sequel or not.
Atleast its not a "list your..." topic Baron ;)
Baron trolling? Couldn't be.
I am all for quality sequels, so long as the games are good. Haven't Nintendo and SNK showed us that it's possible to make sequels that blow away most of the "original" content out there?
Why should it matter if the game is a sequel?
Virtua Fighter 4 is one of my favorites. It is not merely a "milker" or a "rehash", but it does genuinely improve on the series. Taking away the E button turned out to be a good idea.
I am looking forward to Time Crisis 3. I want a Rolling Thunder 4 as well if Namco would just get off their can and make that. It's great how Konami came along with the new Contra and saved that franchise from fading into total ruin.
The only bad thing about sequels is when the sequel itself is bad (Double Dragon 3 Arcade & Genesis version).
Oddly enough Capcom has alot of good original stuff recently -DMC ,Heavy Metal ,Gundam,Maximo,Steel Battallion and RDR.
Each Mr Driller sequel has been a marked improvement in the series. For some series' I practically pray for a sequel.
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Sega falling into sequel-itis?
Aren't you guys the same people who were complaining about how Sega hasn't done anything with their killer franchises for years? Now, when they give you what they want, they get put on the same list as churn-master Nintendo.
We really can't be happy can we?
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Baron trolling? Couldn't be.
I watched Office Space for the first time earlier today. I'm feeling particularly feisty as a result.
btw, Lumbergh is f'ing hilarious. As is the programmer guy with the gangsta rap fetish. :lol:
Hey, where's Stibbons?
i could care less about Sega's past franchises.. i'm not overly interested in seeing a new sonic or streets of rage quite yet, although i do appreciate seeing a new shinobi game..Quote:
Originally posted by Briscobold
Sega falling into sequel-itis?
Aren't you guys the same people who were complaining about how Sega hasn't done anything with their killer franchises for years? Now, when they give you what they want, they get put on the same list as churn-master Nintendo.
We really can't be happy can we?
i'm much more concerned about the release of their original games.. for me, that's where it's all at..
Uhg....when are we gonna get another (insert game name here)? I mean, the developer only KNOWS we've been salivating for it...
later...
Uhg...when are we gonna get original games? Don't developers do anything besides milk their established franchises to a nice strawberry flavor?
Honestly, I'm more excited about Rygar, Shinobi, and Panzer than I am about Gungrave, Tekki (sorry guys), or any other 'original' game this year. Just play what you like.
Thing is, you weren't the person I was targeting.Quote:
Originally posted by johnk_
i could care less about Sega's past franchises.. i'm not overly interested in seeing a new sonic or streets of rage quite yet, although i do appreciate seeing a new shinobi game..
i'm much more concerned about the release of their original games.. for me, that's where it's all at..
Yeah, I'm more interested in Panzer, Shinobi, and TJ&E III than most of the other games being released this holiday season. I just can't wait to play them.
I wish we could get a cool Alex Kidd sequel... even on GBA. I'd even like a port of Miracle World on Nintendo's little toy.
Meh, I likes me some good sequels. Just not the Tony Hawk once-a-year variety.
No, I've always been bothered by sequels. There are alot of people on these board on each side. Some were disappointed Sega didn't exploit its franchise on DC, others were greatful for the new franchises. It's not the same people.Quote:
Originally posted by Briscobold
Sega falling into sequel-itis?
Aren't you guys the same people who were complaining about how Sega hasn't done anything with their killer franchises for years? Now, when they give you what they want, they get put on the same list as churn-master Nintendo.
We really can't be happy can we?
I agree with Sidez.
Who cares about the ratio, as long as there are enough origional titles out there.
The problem with most sequels is that, intentionally or by accident, alot of them turn out to be very unpolished and just don't seem to have high production values. Once in a while, you get a sequel that really hits it on the head, like Virtua Fighter 4 or Zelda: Ocarina of Time. But more often than not, you get seemingly shovelware like Tekken 4, House of the Dead 3, Mario Party 4, etc. It's not that these games are bad, it's that they're the exact same as the last game with no real innovations of their own showing that there was even a need for a sequel beyond pulling in some easy revenue.
Keep in mind that all games mentioned here as being junk I consider junk and you don't necessarily have to agree with me. :lol:
On the other side of the coin, many games don't even grow into their full potential until the 3rd or even 4th iteration.