Metroid Prime

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Originally posted by burgundy
FPS jumping has been ass because FPS developers have been ass in implementing it. I've had very few problems jumping in Prime - no more than I would have had in a 2D or third-person game. Jumping is a bigger part of Prime than in typical FPSs because - suprise! - Prime isn't a typical FPS.

You can't instantly turn around in real life, either. If the slight lag is throwing you off that much, you need to use other options to compensate or give up. Prime wasn't meant to be a walk in the park.

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Like I said, it is handled as well as it could be in Prime but don't even try and tell me that you could jump up hundreds of feet(in game feet) of caverns on blocks no bigger then your feet in Prime like you could in every other Metroid. It's just not going to happen. I don't know about you but I can turn around instantly in real life. It isn't throwing me off, it just sucks. I've played further and enjoyed what I played. I will continue playing. I'm still disappointed that I have to have Metroid in 3D like this. I would much rather it have gameplay like Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver, just with the Metroid magic. AT least then I can actually see being able to use the screw attack.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
Lock-on moves faster then Samus did in every way in SM. Besides, Samus was almost never attacked from both directions at once in SM, so what does that have to do with anything?

Question: Did you have the same complaint about ZOoT?Just wait. It'll become a god-send in a few hours.

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I don't think the lock on is as well used in MP as Zelda. I had no problems at all with Zelda. I don't have any with Prime either, I just think it sucks that she turns like a fucking tank. There is no way to compare the control you have of a character in 3rd person as opposed to 1st person. In 3rd person you can see everything and in 1st person you have tunnel vision. There is no comparison.

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I would much rather it have gameplay like Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver, just with the Metroid magic.

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But neither of those have characters that turn any faster or have jumping any more precise then Prime. Do you just want the pulled-back camera?

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There is no way to compare the control you have of a character in 3rd person as opposed to 1st person. In 3rd person you can see everything and in 1st person you have tunnel vision. There is no comparison.

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Sure there is. Aside from them sharing the exact same control and turning speed, you have a map telling you where enemies are, moreso then a pulled-back camera would. Besides, seeing as how 80% of the game is in tunnels and small rooms, how would not having tunnel vision help? Cramped places make for bad cameras 99% of the time...

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Like I said, it is handled as well as it could be in Prime but don't even try and tell me that you could jump up hundreds of feet(in game feet) of caverns on blocks no bigger then your feet in Prime like you could in every other Metroid. It's just not going to happen. I don't know about you but I can turn around instantly in real life. It isn't throwing me off, it just sucks. I've played further and enjoyed what I played. I will continue playing. I'm still disappointed that I have to have Metroid in 3D like this. I would much rather it have gameplay like Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver, just with the Metroid magic. AT least then I can actually see being able to use the screw attack.

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Like Tomb Raider? *Hurl* If you mean 3rd person ok, but I feel it's MUCH more immersive in 1st person. The atmosphere just feels bigger and more alive. The screw attack is cool and all but it isn't a HUGE thing, it does fine without it.

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I don't think the lock on is as well used in MP as Zelda. I had no problems at all with Zelda. I don't have any with Prime either, I just think it sucks that she turns like a fucking tank. There is no way to compare the control you have of a character in 3rd person as opposed to 1st person. In 3rd person you can see everything and in 1st person you have tunnel vision. There is no comparison.

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It's used VERY well if not just as good as Zelda TOOT. There are alot of enemies at once sometimes so it's crucial. All you have to do is release and lock on again, it's not THAT hard. And she IS a walking tank she has tons of crap on her so it's not going to be light as a feather or anything although she is highly mobile.

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Like I said, it is handled as well as it could be in Prime but don't even try and tell me that you could jump up hundreds of feet(in game feet) of caverns on blocks no bigger then your feet in Prime like you could in every other Metroid.

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Actually, this was the thing I hated most about the previous Metroids, and why I consider SotN a better game then SM; because it doesn't have those insanely annoying tiny landing jumps filling entire areas. More props to Prime from me for that.

This game owns me

How much, you ask?

I sat down yesterday to play at 6:00. I glance up at the clock and say 'hey, it's 10:00. Imagine that.' THAT is what I like about Metroid - the ability to lose all track of time while having a good time doing it. Prime has delivered the same thing for me.

So you played 4 hours total? HOLY SHIT!

;)

Hahahahaha.


Four whole hours hero, how are we ever gonna get you out of the house again!!!? :o

:lol:

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Originally posted by Despair
Just too many games coming out. I dont think I will be getting Prime this week, since Rygar, NightFire and Splinter Cell, will drain my wallet pretty badly, but next week I will either buy it, or rent it for sure.

Plus I still need to finish up RE0.

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Yay, cant wait for Rygar tomorrow!! I got a Cube and Metroid Prime and am enjoying it a great deal... I do believe the Cube is really ramping up on the quality all of a sudden!!

Rygar's out tomorrow?! It's fucking mine bitches!

I saw a ad for it on tv today, put my down payment down a few weeks ago, very highly anticipated here..

I'm stuck. I think the place is called the Hall of Elders, there is a chozo statue in the room, and its the place where the *spoiler* ghost chozo firsts shows up. Up top there is 3 things for each gun blast, and a force feild. My scanner keeps telling me to go there, but I don't have all the gun enhancers yet (don't even have the ice beam). What to do?

rygar comes out the 26th

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Originally posted by Green
I'm stuck. I think the place is called the Hall of Elders, there is a chozo statue in the room, and its the place where the *spoiler* ghost chozo firsts shows up. Up top there is 3 things for each gun blast, and a force feild. My scanner keeps telling me to go there, but I don't have all the gun enhancers yet (don't even have the ice beam). What to do?

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The Chozo cradles its protector. ...another Super Metroid puzzle...

Nevermind, I got it. Had to shoot the purple one, then bomb it.

just picked up prime today..

i had doubts after playing the demo, but the game turned out to be totally sweet after all..

anyone know how to unlock that door in the first snow area?

Go a page back...

The Rock boss is the single most awesome boss fight ever. I never enjoyed myself so much fighting a boss in 3D like I did with that boss.

D

Im just really getting into the game, but this thing is incredible!!

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Originally posted by Green
Go a page back...

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got it, thanks.

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Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
I would much rather it have gameplay like Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver, just with the Metroid magic. AT least then I can actually see being able to use the screw attack.

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Then everyone would be complaning about the camera. there is no pleasing everyone. They tried a 3rd person view with this game, but with help from gaming's Jesus Christ, it was decided that first person view works best. I'll take their word for it.

I haven't been blown away by Prime yet, but I can say that it succsfully followed up Super Metroid, and that itself is a fantastic compliment.

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Originally posted by Kinopio
I haven't been blown away by Prime yet, but I can say that it succsfully followed up Super Metroid, and that itself is a fantastic compliment.

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i feel exactly the same way.

Is anyone finding it rather hard to use the dash evade when locked onto an enemy?

It seems to work fine sometimes, but sometimes I don't go anywhere.

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Originally posted by PBMaX
Is anyone finding it rather hard to use the dash evade when locked onto an enemy?

It seems to work fine sometimes, but sometimes I don't go anywhere.

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Yes, I've had the same thing happen. It's not like it's hard to push B to evade so I'm sure it's not me. I'm sure we'll have resposes saying differently though.:rolleyes:

I have to agree with Kinopio and Nigel so far.

I only got 5% in the game before I died on the plant boss. The main reason I died was I couldn't lock on quick enough to shoot.

So far the biggest problem I have with the game is control. Namely, the no look with C-stick and the fact that the lock-on doesn't seem to work unless the enemy is dead center of the screen (or in the immediate area), making fast-paced action and fights somewhat tougher than they should be (At least for me. This is where TOOT kills MP as far as lock on is concerned, Mech-Deus.). If (as Nigel said) I had a way of turning around quicker, this might not be that big of an issue.

I am, however, enjoying the game a lot so far, but I have to admit I only died because of this. If this game even just offered a secondary control scheme (and in this day and age, I think it should be MANDATORY in all games to offer either several control configurations or a customizing mode) I would be in gaming nirvana. But instead, I'm just having a real good time playing a great game.

80/100 so far (but would be a 95, easily, if not for the controls), probably will get higher as the game goes on.

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Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
Yes, I've had the same thing happen. It's not like it's hard to push B to evade so I'm sure it's not me. I'm sure we'll have resposes saying differently though.:rolleyes:

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me too. sometimes ill jump....sometimes nothing....and very rarely ill dash. pisses me off to no end.

I have no problems with the jumping in this game. It feels natural and I can usually always see where I'm jumping to. If not I just use the right trigger to look around, then jump safetly. Useing the left stick for strafeing is fine by me.

The Z-targeting is a work of ingenius again in this game and every other Nintendo game that follows. It simply makes shooting enemies so easy to do, just like in the 2-D metroids.

The jumping is integral to this game and what makes this game so great. Without it, the sence of exploration would be cut off considerably.

I'm surprised that your not floored by this game Lucas, seeing you hypeing it so much. I went into this game with really low expectations and came out loving it so much. I have not been this happy with a Nintendo game since Majoras Mask.

Is it just me, or are the Mines just unfair?

I picked it up yesterday night, only played for about a half hour though.

Seems awesome so far.

The design, atmosphere, and attention to detail are uncanny...

The mines are the first truly difficult area...

For those having problems dodging, tap it to dodge, press it to jump. Just feather it lightly if you want to dodge...

ohhh god why would you want ANY game to control like Tomb Raider

that game has some of the most GOD AWFUL controls in any game EVER

GAH

The controls are fine. If you can't get the hang of them within the first hour I don't know what to tell you. I agree that there could have been a 180 degree quick turn though.

i had the dreaded system reboot problem with this game. time to swap it. happened multiple times last night. my system is a mario sunshine system bought last month but apparently its still using the bunk ram. :(

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Originally posted by Victrix
For those having problems dodging, tap it to dodge, press it to jump. Just feather it lightly if you want to dodge...

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Indeed. Once I figured this out, everything fell right into place. :)

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Originally posted by SonofdonCD
I have to agree with Kinopio and Nigel so far.

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I'm not sure why you are referring me. I have no problems with the controls.

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I only got 5% in the game before I died on the plant boss. The main reason I died was I couldn't lock on quick enough to shoot.

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I'll say the main reason you died is because you don't have a handle on the controls. I say that because that's what I thought the problem was as well when the plant boss spanked me the first time. However, it taught me how to aim fast, move faster, and utilize the morph ball for avoidance techniques.

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Then everyone would be complaning about the camera. there is no pleasing everyone. They tried a 3rd person view with this game, but with help from gaming's Jesus Christ, it was decided that first person view works best. I'll take their word for it.

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I would just like to state here there are two perfect gaming setups: 2D side-scrolling and first-person views. Outside cameras are still just way too flawed.

Add vertical scrollers in there and I'm with you 100%.

There has never been a 3D action/adventure game with a flawless camera, and to be frank, I don't see how it's possible without interfering with the on-screen action in some way.

Prime would be a mere shade of what it is if it was third-person.

Didn't know about the tap to dodge thing, I'll try it out later. The game froze on me once recently (I'm ten hours into it) while going to the Chozo Ruins, good thing alot of saves are around.

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Originally posted by Kinopio
I'm not sure why you are referring me. I have no problems with the controls.

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I should have been more clear. I meant that I agree with you that the game hasn't totally blown me away yet, at least not as much as everyone else. I agreed with Nigel on some of his control issues.

I knew someone would say that I just didn't have the controls yet, and it's true. I played more today, and I was having more fun since I've got the hang of it litle better. That's to say, I've adapted. Fine, but I'd still be having more fun if the control scheme were as I stated earlier. Not being able to look and walk at the same time kinda kills some fun for me; not enough to say this game isn't excellent, but enough for me to notice.

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Not being able to look and walk at the same time kinda kills some fun for me; not enough to say this game isn't excellent, but enough for me to notice.

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For the first few hours, I kept reaching over to the C-stick to try and aim, and it bugged me for a while (although the genius of everything else shone through). But I've grown accustomed to it and don't mind it in the slightest anymore.

i adapted to the Control Scheme very quick

im really loving this game

man just wow everything about it is just perfect for me

so very happy with it

thank you retro

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Originally posted by youandwhosearmy
Hahahahaha.


Four whole hours hero, how are we ever gonna get you out of the house again!!!? :o

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Well, I forgot to mention that after that realization, I blew it off, played two more hours, and then thought 'gee, being midnight and all and having a morning class, I ought to sleep'

Then I played til 1am. Slept, woke up at 9, and played Prime all the way til noon. I blew off my morning class easy.

Again, amazing.

oh yeah, might I add -

who'd have known an American developer could churn out such a good game?
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I'm not surprised an American developer made such a great game. American developers rule first-person games and have made ones even better than Prime.

I am surprised an American developer made such a good Metroid game though.

that was my point ^^

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Originally posted by Kinopio
They tried a 3rd person view with this game, but with help from gaming's Jesus Christ, it was decided that first person view works best.

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:wtf:

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater

I am surprised an American developer made such a good Metroid game though.

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Why were people always so hesitant as to whether Americans could do justice to a series heavily influenced by Alien? Anyway, I caved on my pile o' shame warpact and bought this yesterday. 6 hours of play later, these are my thoughts so far:

• The controls are perfect. Seriously, remove the broom from your ass. It's almost exactly the same scheme as Maken X, a game I (if nobody else) enjoyed mightily. But from the second I first used the grapple beam, I knew this was Metroid.
  
• Man, what a world they've built here! Everything's so incredibly detailed, this may well be the nicest looking game I've ever seen. The next time I hear somebody complain Nintendo doesn't push their games out the door fast enough I'm hitting themm over the head with a crate full of copies of Metroid Prime.
  
• I'm glad as hell they didn't try this on N64.
  
• I may well like this better than Super Metroid. For some reason, this series just feels right in first person rather than 2D. And I never thought I'd hear myself say that.
  
• This totally fills the void in my life from not owning an N64 when OoT hit.
  
• I hate the GC controller's triggers. They're giving me arthritis. I switched over to an Interact Superpad - the triggers are way easier on the knuckles, but the analogue isn't as responsive and the buttons are cheap.
  
• Anyone who picks Vice City over this as GOTY needs to go outside, swear at the top of their lungs for an hour to get all the pent up rage out of their system, go back inside, play VC with some honest perspective, and realize MP's a lock for best of 2002.
  
• I'm gonna go play this some more.

Great points. And best of all, spoiler free!

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Originally posted by StriderKyo

• The controls are perfect. Seriously, remove the broom from your ass. But from the second I first used the grapple beam, I knew this was Metroid.
  
• Man, what a world they've built here! Everything's so incredibly detailed, this may well be the nicest looking game I've ever seen. The next time I hear somebody complain Nintendo doesn't push their games out the door fast enough I'm hitting themm over the head with a crate full of copies of Metroid Prime.
  
• I'm glad as hell they didn't try this on N64.
  
• I may well like this better than Super Metroid. For some reason, this series just feels right in first person rather than 2D. And I never thought I'd hear myself say that.
  
• Anyone who picks Vice City over this as GOTY needs to go outside, swear at the top of their lungs for an hour to get all the pent up rage out of their system, go back inside, play VC with some honest perspective, and realize MP's a lock for best of 2002.
  
• I'm gonna go play this some more.

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i agree with these 150%

especially

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Originally posted by StriderKyo
[*]Anyone who picks Vice City over this as GOTY needs to go outside, swear at the top of their lungs for an hour to get all the pent up rage out of their system, go back inside, play VC with some honest perspective, and realize MP's a lock for best of 2002.

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i may have to hurt any reviewer in any mag other than PSM or OPM that does this

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Originally posted by Will
Great points. And best of all, spoiler free!

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hehehehehehe

will loves his spoiler free posts

You guys are going to have to hurt me too. I love Prime but I love Vice City even more. :)

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
You guys are going to have to hurt me too. I love Prime but I love Vice City even more. :)

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Wa-Taaa!

Ask me a year from now when I've played through both games at least twice...

*mebbe spoilers*

okay i just got the thermal goggles.....now what the hell do i do?

Just had to get my one Prime post in.

My girlfriend has Prime at her house, and I don't get it (or Fusion) until Dec. 25th.

Oh the pain. You have no idea of the pain I feel.

Glad you all love it.

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Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
*mebbe spoilers*

okay i just got the thermal goggles.....now what the hell do i do?

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Use it and you should see some circular pads along the walls of the room. Use the Wave shot to turn those pads on and activate the door. You'll get to do that a lot, btw.

Plus they help when it comes to fighting some forms of Space Pirates, or in the dark.

oh i got out of their complex and saved right outside. thats where im at currently. really tense fighting them in the dark i might add.

Have you gotten another incoming message? I think you should soon. If not, go looking for doors that need the wave shot to open and see what you can find.

no incoming message. thats what i expected. oh well. ill just plod around a bit. thanks for the speedy replies tho mate :D

Hey! I had the same thing happen to me that Green did... the first time I played, the game froze going into the Chozo Ruins, but it hasn't happened since. Weird.

God, I love this game. Seriously, I am in love with it.

EGM busted a fat nut all over it this month. My favorite quote is from Mark MacDonald: "It's like the best game from six years in the future fell through a time warp."

God, everything's so detailed... so very, very detailed... I guess I got used to mind-numbingly repetitive environments and 3 enemy types from playing Halo so much the past year.

wow.....my inability to dodge just almost made me punch a hole in my gc. got to the ice boss......yeah wow......bullshit. thats all i can say. utter bullshit. now the slow ass turning, shitty dodging and all the other comaplaints are creeping into my head.....

The ice boss got me almost everytime he charged, but I had full health so I didn't care. However, I did dodge him a few times when I double dodged out of the way real quick.

You just have to do be able to tell when he's gonna do it.

"my inability to dodge"

"shitty dodging"

1 = 2?

oh yeah i forgot...i love multiple functions mapped onto one button.....ass. my inability to dodge is caused by the bunk ass control setup for it....not me. some say tap the button...some say glide the button....i say make it a seperate fucking button and make it easier. but noooooooo....you have to finesse it. bullshit.

and if you wanna poke fun....its 1+1=2. :jest:

no, it's 1 = 2, since according to your post, your inability to dodge therefore means the game has a shitty control setup ;)

anyway, I think its hard to dodge during boss fights because you tend to unconciously get a little tense :D particularly during that specific fight, which was Really Freaking Cool

Look at it as a blessing, the game is forcing you to get good at the controls before you have to face some of the later nastiness...

no.....its not a blessing. its bullshit. im sick of having to adapt to shitty cameras in my platformers....bullshit drone cars in racers and crap control schemes that map more than one thing to a button. we must make a stand against this injustice!

I agree, all games should have two buttons - jump and shoot

crap control schemes that map more than one thing to a button.

You'd love Steel Battalion.

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Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
wow.....my inability to dodge just almost made me punch a hole in my gc. got to the ice boss......

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Use the morph ball. Far easier and a whole lot faster.

Thanks for clearing up the dodging control guys.

Just tap that button and I can dodge at will. Wish I knew that when that plant boss was whupping my ass. :)

Now my one and only gripe with this game has been resolved, and I'm back to thinking it's damn near perfect.

I'd love to have this soundtrack on CD. The music is incredible.

i finally started encountering metroids.. i hate the damn things..

and i also finished off that rock boss and got the spiderball, which, naturally, unlocks areas all over the game..

and this game is freaking huge.

HUGE

you need to also be pushing left or right to dash its not just taping the B button

and its not really 2 functions

think about it all the dash is is a quick jump to the left or right
and its mapped to the jump button your combining 2 things to do something new (pushing on the analog stick and taping the jump button gives you a quick jump to the left or right)


what the hell is going to come next from you guys

"what you mean pushing A gives me a punch and pushing forward and A gives me a different punch FUCK THAT they should have mapped it to seperate buttons Street Fighters controls suck"

and the ice boss is fucking cool

a nice challange a bit frustrating but i loved it, took me 2 tries to beat and rolling into a ball is a much much much easier way to dodge

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Originally posted by Will
Great points. And best of all, spoiler free!

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Oh yeah, I almost forgot:

• I love the part where Samus gets killed by Sephiroth halfway through. So tragic!

:D

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater

You guys are going to have to hurt me too. I love Prime but I love Vice City even more.

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No way. Uh uh. The best Metroid game ever and it doesn't win your game of the year? You oughtta have your gaming license revoked. But, I'll settle for: *hits 'zeed over head with crate of Metroid Prime - the big ass titanium kind*

I think it's kinda lame that the intro seems to be completely ripped off from Super Metroid. And the music is not as cool either. Oh well.

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Originally posted by Shin Johnpv
what the hell is going to come next from you guys

"what you mean pushing A gives me a punch and pushing forward and A gives me a different punch FUCK THAT they should have mapped it to seperate buttons Street Fighters controls suck"

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Pressing down makes me crouch *and* go down latters?? WTF! Seriously though, I've never had any problem with the dashing, you just have to make sure you're at full tilt on the stick (left or right) when you do it or it won't register.

Well, my copy arrived yesterday, and I got around to trying it out this afternoon. What I found really sucks: the game gives me motion sickness. The only other game that has ever done that to me is Half Life on PS2. :(

It looks like I'll have to play Prime in small doses...

I'm surprised more people haven't complained about motion sickness. Very few games make me motion sick and unfortunately Prime is one of them.

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Originally posted by Shin Johnpv

what the hell is going to come next from you guys

"what you mean pushing A gives me a punch and pushing forward and A gives me a different punch FUCK THAT they should have mapped it to seperate buttons Street Fighters controls suck"

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I think this is a terrible analogy and just an oversimplification of his argument. Perhaps a better analogy would be in Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo or SFA3 for GBA the fact that light and mediums are mapped to the same button. Tap for light, press for medium. That is a bit more of a problem. No one has a problem pressing a direction and a button, but the difference between tapping and pressing on some controllers is very slight.

It might be goty on the cube. Better than SMS.

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Originally posted by mattvanstone
Better than SMS.

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Both REs, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, etc. were all better than SMS. That game has no business getting a single vote for Cube GotY.

Just finished the game this afternoon. Timer says 27 hours, and I found about 72% of the crap in it. :D Unlocked art galleries 1 and 2 on it, and since I finished Fusion while at school a couple of days ago, I just need to find 100% of the items to unlock gallery 3, woo. :D

But let me tell you, if you EVER complained about previous Metroid games being really easy, the final portion of Prime will make up for all of that, I guarantee it. It's that hard. I nearly gave up on even attempting to finish the game because of it. :(

oh boy...the mines almost made me cry. How can it get worse?

I just beat the ice boss, and haven't had a hard time of it at all... great game.

I don't think any game has ever given me motion sickness.

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Originally posted by Yoshi
Both REs, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, etc. were all better than SMS. That game has no business getting a single vote for Cube GotY.

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Resident Evil sucks, but ED and AC (and Prime) are better than SMS.

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Originally posted by opa-opa
I think it's kinda lame that the intro seems to be completely ripped off from Super Metroid. And the music is not as cool either. Oh well.

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Well...except the music that *is* from Super Metroid.

Maybe you didn't even make it to the lava world before you passed judgement.

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Originally posted by Reno
Just finished the game this afternoon. Timer says 27 hours, and I found about 72% of the crap in it. :D Unlocked art galleries 1 and 2 on it, and since I finished Fusion while at school a couple of days ago, I just need to find 100% of the items to unlock gallery 3, woo. :D

But let me tell you, if you EVER complained about previous Metroid games being really easy, the final portion of Prime will make up for all of that, I guarantee it. It's that hard. I nearly gave up on even attempting to finish the game because of it. :(

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I'm inside what I assume is the "final dungeon." Is this where it gets hard - harder than the two nasty bosses I just beat?

There is a hidden 180 degree turn in the game, if you need to dodge quicker than the dodge allows you chances are you need to use the morph ball dash out of the way. The moment you exit the morph ball you are facing the enemy you were fighting.

Hope that helps.

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burg: The two bosses were hard as hell for me, as was the vertical climb you had to do in order to get to the first boss. That just pissed me off because of what you had to do *trying not to say anything spoiler-ish* :)

okay...i beat that ice/rock boss only to die on the way back to save (had 18 health left). now i can't play it for shit. tried the morph ball runaway technique when it tries to roll you over but it takes too damn long to morph and i still get squashed. so furious right now. plus i always get drilled trying to change visors. im sorry but that is the dumbest way they could have had you changing visors while fighting.

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Okay So I get past the big mutated Space Pirate, and then I get past the room full of those gas mine guys. By this point I have about 30 health left. This is such a long and hard area to go without any save points. Those two plasma pirates after the gas room have killed me 5 times now and it takes 15 minutes to get there so Im getting rather purturbed. Can someone please either give me some advice or tell me if I'm almost to a save station.
-Prometheus

Plasma Troopers shouldn't be appearing until after you've acquired the Plasma Beam. Are you referring to yellow-and-black Power Troopers? If so, use Super Missiles on them. That's a very tough area, and you still have a few rooms of Troopers before the save point. When you get to the Dynamo (the objective room) hang a quick right fo a save point before exploring.

I'm only about 15% thought (just got though Magmor with the Varia suit) and I can't belive how much like Metroid this game feels. I was expecting a FPS, and I got Metroid. I'll be damned. :) The only part of the game that feels un-Metroid is that I'm not bombing every section of the floors and walls in an effort to explore. There is just too much floor and wall surface in 3d! :D

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Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
okay...i beat that ice/rock boss only to die on the way back to save (had 18 health left). now i can't play it for shit. tried the morph ball runaway technique when it tries to roll you over but it takes too damn long to morph and i still get squashed. so furious right now. plus i always get drilled trying to change visors. im sorry but that is the dumbest way they could have had you changing visors while fighting.

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i blieve theres a save right past the elevevator right past him

i found it really easy to change visors since the thumb over the c stick sint doing anything then just reach over and push on the d-pad

how many energy tanks do you have maybe it would be better for you to go and find 1 or 2 before trying it again

also you kinda have to use some for guessing he falls into an easy to read pattern and then the time it takes to morph isnt as big a deal when you know hes going to do it just change in ahead

Are you just using charged shots and missles on the ice boss? You can hammer away with regular shots and it does the trick. As for thermals, I used them to identify its weak spot, then when he summons rocks I'd switch. Sometimes I'd lose the lock for some reason, so you might have to go back to thermals one more time.

I need help in finding the Spirit Artifact. It says something like seek the unseen entrance at the top of the cave need Phendrana's edge. I've looked at the tops of the Phendrana Edge place and the cave near it, they both gave me missle expansions after finding the secret stuff. However, I can't find this Spirit Artifact.

Use the Visors luke

Nevermind, got it.
May the forks be with you.

Holy shit.

Thardus is a bad ass.
Awesome boss fight.

*Spoilers*

I just beat the rock boss...how many artifacts should I have by now? Do you need all the artifacts to beat the game? I ask because I only have the first one you get when you find the Chozo shrine in the overworld...

You need twelve to finish the game, you find them at your leisure although it's easier once you have access everywhere, also theres a quite a few that require a specific upgrade so best just wait to pick them up near the end.

so I got charge upgrade for the wave shot, cold shot, wondering where the plasma charge upgrade is. Anybody find this one yet.

I sure love the Charged cold shot, very nice wall of ice.

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Originally posted by dyomides
so I got charge upgrade for the wave shot, cold shot, wondering where the plasma charge upgrade is. Anybody find this one yet.

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In the Mines...near the beginning behind a red door. If you got the map, look for a blue spot you haven't been to near the start.

Thanx,

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Must...buy...game....
Must...steal...money...
::slobber:: ::drool::

thanks for the tips guys. right before work i got in a trance like state that usually i only get with racing games. i had 4 energy tanks i believe and i still had 3 left when i beat him. for some reason i was just insane. just mashing away with regular shots...jumping over the ice attack. now to figure out what to do next.

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Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
thanks for the tips guys. right before work i got in a trance like state that usually i only get with racing games. i had 4 energy tanks i believe and i still had 3 left when i beat him. for some reason i was just insane. just mashing away with regular shots...jumping over the ice attack. now to figure out what to do next.

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You might want to look around for some more energy tanks...I just beat the rock boss, and I've got 7 tanks.