Can I b**** about Metroid Prime?

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Originally posted by MechDeus
I think it would've worked better if pressing it gave off rapid-fire shots and the button inside started the charge up. But either way could work.

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It might, but missle-combos are going to be a given for this. I'm also not too happy trying to look up/down when I have the stick pressed all the way, like for example, one of the shafts in the lava area had a rail I planned to use and when I was going up, I didn't see that stupid bug-thingy taking a shot at me and I could've planned ahead if my view didn't take a long-ass time to "look up" like I wanted. I'm like if I'm already pulling that stick down, "hello nintendo! I'm trying to see what's directly over me!!", %!#@ing developers...

I think Nintendo should have shipped a GBA->GC->YOUR BRAIN link cable, allowing you to control the game with mere thought. Honestly, why didn't they do that? It makes the game totally shitty.

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Originally posted by opa-opa
So Metroid Prime is a "true" Metroid game, even though it's been completely turned to 3D, while Fusion is not "true" Metroid just because it's a bit more linear? Ok that makes a lot of sense....

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A *bit* more linear?

:lol:

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Originally posted by opa-opa
And what does being a good game have to do with anything?

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Can I put that in my sig?

I'm still waiting for a good explanation as to why you think Fusion is so linear....

And the point was whether a game captures the "essence" of Metroid, so a game can still be "Metroid-like" whether it's a good or bad game.

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Originally posted by opa-opa
I'm still waiting for a good explanation as to why you think Fusion is so linear....

And the point was whether a game captures the "essence" of Metroid, so a game can still be "Metroid-like" whether it's a good or bad game.

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Ok, I'm going to try to explain this simply. In Metroid Fusion the computer is constantly sealing off elevators and doors which blocks you from going back to areas you have been to previously. In fact you never really get a chance to go wherever you please untill right at the end. In every other Metroid game you can go wherever you want... whenever you want. So say you get the High Jump and remember an energy tank that you couldn't quite reach that was several areas away. In every other metroid game you could just go all the way back and get that energy tank. In Fusion you cannot. The elevators often closed. That's what makes it linear... you aren't free to explore as you please. You can only explore the area you're in, not go elsewhere. That's what makes the game much less metroid-like. Hell even Symphony of the Night did non-linear exploration better then Fusion. You were never sealed out of areas that you've already been to and would like to go back to. That is what makes Fusion less of a Metroid game. Being locked into a specific "level" is very un-Metroid like. Now I loved Fusion, but even trying to say it's truer to the Metroid formula then Prime is pure bullshit. But wait, I guess since Prime is 3d it has to suck... because 2d is ALWAYS better then 3d. :rolleyes: Shit I'm a jaded son of a bitch, but even I'm not that jaded.

That's your opinion. IMHO the change to 3D is a far greater departure from the traditional Metroid "feel" than the increase in linearlity in Fusion. For me Fusion captures 90% of what was Metroid and expands on the good parts. Prime to me is a completely different game with the Metroid name and design splashed onto it.

And about your example of finding the energy tank. In Fusion you still have areas that are inaccessible in the beginning, but become accessible later on as you acquire more items. The ONLY difference I can see is that instead of having these areas completely spread out, forcing you to do extensive backtracking like in Super Metroid, in Fusion they are conveniently placed closer so that you don't have to backtrack so much to get to those inaccessible areas.

So basically what you are saying is, Fusion is "less" Metroid because there is less backtracking. Which to me is complete hogwash.

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Originally posted by opa-opa
That's your opinion. IMHO the change to 3D is a far greater departure from the traditional Metroid "feel" than the increase in linearlity in Fusion. For me Fusion captures 90% of what was Metroid and expands on the good parts. Prime to me is a completely different game with the Metroid name and design splashed onto it.

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So I'm right then. Your whole problem isn't anything to do with exploration or anything like that. It's just that you can't stand a game being 3d instead of 2d. Well I guess you should just hang on to your GBA and not play another console game again, since you can't seem to like 3d. I'm sorry but next time you can't stand something why not just come out and admit... it's 3d, I don't like 3d. That would have been alot easier then this whole 3 thread load of crap. :bang:

But it has nothing to do with hating 3D. I'm just saying that changing a game from 2D gameplay to 3D gameplay, heck, a 3D FIRST PERSON VIEW, is such a radical departure that you can't just dismiss it like that.

IMHO the change is almost as radical as changing genres, like making a beat em up into a shooter.

If they made Mario into a first person game, would you still say that it's still Mario?

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Originally posted by opa-opa
And about your example of finding the energy tank. In Fusion you still have areas that are inaccessible in the beginning, but become accessible later on as you acquire more items. The ONLY difference I can see is that instead of having these areas completely spread out, forcing you to do extensive backtracking like in Super Metroid, in Fusion they are conveniently placed closer so that you don't have to backtrack so much to get to those inaccessible areas.

So basically what you are saying is, Fusion is "less" Metroid because there is less backtracking. Which to me is complete hogwash.

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No the difference is you can't get back to them at any point in time. Only near the end when you're actually "allowed" by the computer to go back to previous areas. Hell after I got the speed boost I wanted to go back to some areas to get some items... but I couldn't because the computer wouldn't let me go back... I had to go where I wanted it to make me go. And it's not back tracking. You're not required to go back to get an Energy tank... you just can if you want. In Fusion, you can't go back if you want because the computer is making you go where it wants you to go... which is exactly what linear means. You don't have alot of freedom, you go where you have to go in the area that the computer wants you at and that's it. I really don't understand how you can't seem to see the massive differences between Fusion and the previous Metroid games... oh but wait, it's 2d so I guess it must be the same. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
It was a joke, dingbat. Hence the "^_^". :p

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Alright, I didn't still that smiley. I stand corrected, but my post is still true. No one can say "if you don't like this game you know dick about gaming" or "if you don't like this game you should give up on gaming" because everyone likes different types of games, and the greatest game to one person is shit to some other people, as this thread so perfectly points out. Just had to say that. You can now go back to your "bitching about Metroid Prime."

PS Opa Opa: What exactly were you thinking when you said "what does it being a good game have to do with anything"? Just wondering, cuz that is one of the most illogical statements I've ever heard.