Can I b**** about Metroid Prime?

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Originally posted by opa-opa
But it has nothing to do with hating 3D. I'm just saying that changing a game from 2D gameplay to 3D gameplay, heck, a 3D FIRST PERSON VIEW, is such a radical departure that you can't just dismiss it like that.

IMHO the change is almost as radical as changing genres, like making a beat em up into a shooter.

If they made Mario into a first person game, would you still say that it's still Mario?

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Well lets see. I consider Mario 64 and Mario Sunshine, mario games even though the (OH MY GOD!!!!) went and put the games in 3d. So what difference does it really make. Tomb Raider was Prince of Persia in 3d also, you can change from 2d to 3d and still retain the feel of a genre or game.

Cloud:
Read the previous post where I made that statement, you'll see that it was in relation to another point someone was making. People are taking that one line and taking it out of context.

bbobb:
That's not what I was asking. I asked you what if Mario was in FIRST PERSON VIEW. Would you consider it a "true" Mario game?

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Originally posted by opa-opa
That's not what I was asking. I asked you what if Mario was in FIRST PERSON VIEW. Would you consider it a "true" Mario game?

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No you were saying changing to 3d is some huge radical departure that would make the game completely unlike the previous ones. At least that's how it reads. And no, first person would not work in a Mario game. But in a Metroid game, where the emphasis has always been about "exploration" and getting new abilities and battles involving guns, and not jumping on enemies. It does work. I also think that a third person style would have also worked on Metroid Prime, but probably not as well, since it would have been a constant battle to keep the camera in the right place.

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Originally posted by opa-opa
Cloud:
Read the previous post where I made that statement, you'll see that it was in relation to another point someone was making. People are taking that one line and taking it out of context.

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I did, and it still doesn't seem to make much sense. Mech said "if it's a good game that captures the essense." As much as I disagree with Mech on other topics, I have no choice but to agree with him here. The "captures the essense" part is what really matters in that statement, not it being a good game. Because in the end, isn't capturing the essense of a series what makes a sequel most like previous games in the series, regardless of what view you're looking from? I haven't played Prime yet, nor have I played much Metroid in the past, just a little bit of the NES one and Gameboy one, so I can't comment on if Prime does indeed capture the essense, but that is what's most important when comparing different games of a series.

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Originally posted by opa-opa
I'm still waiting for a good explanation as to why you think Fusion is so linear....

And the point was whether a game captures the "essence" of Metroid, so a game can still be "Metroid-like" whether it's a good or bad game.

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Fusion is completely linear because the computer tells me where I can go and when. Shit, it won't even let me backtrack to previous areas once I've entered the objective zone. The fact that I can decide to brave a hot area for a missile or energy tank rather than wait doesn't make it as open as previous Metroids.

You're contradicting yourself. Either Fusion has the same level of exploration as previous Metroids, or it doesn't and that makes you happy. Make up your mind.

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I'm glad bbobb has been saying exactly what I would have, just a whole lot more gracefully. We're all quite aware that Prime is in 3D and in the first-person - given that, Prime feels exactly like Metroid should in 3D. Fusion, however, feels like 2D Metroid stuffed into Mega Man style pacing.

Your turn - explain how Prime isn't faithful to the Metroid franchise.

I think what needs to be considered is that if there were customizable controls, the game could possibly become easier or harder depending on the control setup you pick. What some of you are talking about is not as simple as changing from inverted to non-inverted. You are talking about changing the entire set-up, which would then change the entire way the game is played. The balance of the gameplay would be thrown completely off.

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That's not what I was asking. I asked you what if Mario was in FIRST PERSON VIEW. Would you consider it a "true" Mario game?

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So then you think Prime would be more like the originals if it had a third-person camera? Shame Metroid makes sense the way it is and Mario makes sense the way it is, while your question doesn't.

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Your turn - explain how Prime isn't faithful to the Metroid franchise.

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Because it uses character models instead of sprites, duh.

seriously I dont understand how any one who has played past metroid games to death in the past can not see how Prime holds closer to the metroid formula than Fusion

taking the ability to go back to past areas whenever you want and if you want would be akin to taking Super Moves out of the next Street Fighter game

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Originally posted by burgundy
your turn - explain how Prime isn't faithful to the Metroid franchise.

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dont you know its in 3D and first person view that means no matter what they did it could never be anything like past metroid games


even though it does perfectly every aspect and element of a game that makes one a metroid game

its not in 2d from a side view thus its not metroid and it sucks


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Kinopio
I think what needs to be considered is that if there were customizable controls, the game could possibly become easier or harder depending on the control setup you pick. What some of you are talking about is not as simple as changing from inverted to non-inverted. You are talking about changing the entire set-up, which would then change the entire way the game is played. The balance of the gameplay would be thrown completely off.

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MIGHT is a better word. If they thought about it early enough then any balance issues would have worked themselves out. Obviously telling them to change it now would take months of changing the balance, but not necessarily early in development. I think that the effort to get this scheme to work would have been more than worth it, though.

This one point is still undebatable: Every game should have at least a second control scheme, unless there is physically no other way to reconfigure due to the controller constraints. (The only game recently I can think of is Gun Valkyrie.)

About thie whole Prime/Fusion debate: I don't care which is more "True" to the series. What I care about is "Is it any good"? Fusion is, even if a bit off the road from previous Metroids. After all, besides exploration, EVERYTHING SCREAMS METROID, even perhaps improves and expands on the gameplay. Great, great game.

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Originally posted by SonofdonCD
MIGHT is a better word. If they thought about it early enough then any balance issues would have worked themselves out. Obviously telling them to change it now would take months of changing the balance, but not necessarily early in development. I think that the effort to get this scheme to work would have been more than worth it, though.

This one point is still undebatable: Every game should have at least a second control scheme, unless there is physically no other way to reconfigure due to the controller constraints. (The only game recently I can think of is Gun Valkyrie.)

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Why should they have to worry about balancing the game in 3 different ways because of the bitching of 5 people? Just because someone isnt used to the control in the game doesnt automatically make it a bad control setup...the main problem I have heard it inverted aiming, and that is changable. The controls work extremely well for what you need to do, and some of the mainstay FPS control styles would knock some of the elements way out of whack.

Can anyone tell me what is even wrong with the controls and how you would change them, cause I see nothing at all wrong with them. I actually like theat they forced people to lookat things in a different way.