New Sonic in '03

« New Sonic in early 2003
There's not much to this story, except that Japanese Nintendo-based publication, Nintendo Dream, revealed in its newest issue that Sega intends on announcing a new "Sonic related" game will be announced early in 2003. The publication states specifically that it has nothing to do with the already announced Sonic Adventure port which was discussed by Sega a few months ago. »

Source: Games_are_fun


? This would hardly be surprising.. but it would be nice to have some official clarification on the next Sonic game. :)

Does "Nintendo Dream" have any credability?

I hope it's true, but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't.

This better be good dammit.

I was playing Sonic Adventure on VGA and the game had many cool as hell moments like the water snake in the Lost World as well as that kickass music, the casino stage with the addictive Nights/Sonic pinball game, the really cool snowboarding and frosty ice stage, the whale chase at the beach. If they mixed in all that stuff with the Shadow/Sonic levels that would be great.......yeah...*sips coffee*

In other news, the Pope has stated in a report filed Saturday that he is Catholic. ;)

jiji, you lie.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he's being honest there.

A new Sonic might be good.....it depends on if they actually decide to make it not suck.

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Originally posted by andyrose
Actually, I'm pretty sure he's being honest there.

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Indeed.

Right on 88, I full heartedly agree.

I'll rock the vote for 88 being correct as well.

88's on a roll today.

Yes, he is.

I'd say so.

If I could think of another synonym for the word yes, I would use it right here.

I disagree. His form was totally off.

I can agree with that.

Agreed.

I can most certainly dig that, suckas.

Did you know MVS can fly?

He is also buff, if I'm not mistaken.

You are not mistaken. I have seen pictures.

A little bird once told me that he also has tons and tons of sex. Would that be correct?

I am afraid that I know nothing about that.

Well, damn.

Andy, do what the aliens in the Aqua Teen Hunger Force do and look to a disco ball for guidance.

This is all funny and shit but there's also a chatroom designed for this. And 88mph, don't be a bitch and stay for more than 5 seconds.

I was in there for at least fifteen seconds.

Did you guys ever see that one time MVS kicked a soccer ball at Master?

That was rad.

Green's brain- Hey, the new Sonic thread got big really quick, maybe someone posted some more info on the new game, maybe even screens! Lets look!
*looks*
:(


By the way, did you know Gamera is made of turtle meat? He is friend to children everywhere.

Hell's yeah man, that shit wuz off da hook.

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Green's brain- Hey, the new Sonic thread got big really quick, maybe someone posted some more info on the new game, maybe even screens! Lets look!
*looks*
:(


By the way, did you know Gamera is made of turtle meat? He is friend to children everywhere.

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:lol:

My thoughts precisely. Maybe all of this spamming is a result of liquid crack named Fight Club being removed.

*edit* This just in, I snuck in super secret shots of SA3 from SOJ!!
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Hey wait, Gaming Discussion?1?!!?! Wha? Where am I?

Nice post, Goatse.

Humm.. back to Sonic.

It needs to have the city/adventure things that SA1 had. Screw all of you who say it needs to just be level to level. There was an atmosphere in SA1 that was parallel to many other great Sega efforts. There should be a little more of that as well as the stages from SA1 and some of the good ones from SA2. Any and all references to NiGHTS in minigame form is all the better and I FOR ONE would not mind NiGHTS as a playable character for some parts of the Game. I do not think that's totally out-of-touch. I had always thought it would be really cool if there was a cross-over. As a benefit for Sonic Team (and us) it would be a rest-assured (Nintendo-like even) way to re-introduce NiGHTS to the gaming audience again (for many who haven't played the original). Why not right?

It's what I would do at least.

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You all realize that it will probably be a port of Sonic Shuffle, right? :D

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Originally posted by Wolffen
You all realize that it will probably be a port of Sonic Shuffle, right? :D

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Nah. Won't happen. I'm betting on Sega commissioning Traveler's Tales to develop a follow-up to Sonic 3D Blast. :D

So... is this the 2D high resolution sonic with over 50 levels and only Sonic, Knuckles and Tails? Maybe I'm just dreaming again.

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You all realize that it will probably be a port of Sonic Shuffle, right? :D

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GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT BURNS IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!

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Nah. Won't happen. I'm betting on Sega commissioning Traveler's Tales to develop a follow-up to Sonic 3D Blast. :D

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I didn't think 3D blast is worthy of all the bashing it gets. It wasn't THAT bad, I actually enjoyed it. It was fun, the music was a bit goofy, but It held my interests during a dry spell of saturn titles.

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Originally posted by Valgar
So... is this the 2D high resolution sonic with over 50 levels and only Sonic, Knuckles and Tails? Maybe I'm just dreaming again.

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I for one wouldn't be pleased with a 2D sonic. There's already a perfect 2D Sonic and it's called Sonic CD. I need a perfect 3D Sonic now.

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Make a 3D Sonic game with the city stuff from SA 1, the first-level fun of SA 2 and CEL SHADING. Also, 3D Blast wasn't that bad. It's quite to play it on the go via the Nomad.

What we don't need in a Sonic game are crappy cutscenes. Sonic Adv. 1's cinemas were whimsical. Sonic 2's was so painful to watch, it gave me the urge to clip my tongue with a blunt scissor, just because.

Ugh, don't reminds of the SA 2 cutscenes, too many bad memories. The worst one I can remember was when they meet with the president in a limo... Way too cliched and out of place.

I must be weird or something. I loved SA2. Even the cinemas. My only complaint was the new control scheme and broken roll ability.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
I must be weird or something. I loved SA2. Even the cinemas. My only complaint was the new control scheme and broken roll ability.

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Well, someone on planet Earth had to have liked SA2's cutscenes ;)

Agreed, the broken Spindash execution was a major annoyance.

I hope the next Sonic will take place on Mobius... or anywhere except for Earth for that matter. I am also hoping for at least 75% Sonic (or Sonic-like) action. :)

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Originally posted by Taito
What we don't need in a Sonic game are crappy cutscenes. Sonic Adv. 1's cinemas were whimsical. Sonic 2's was so painful to watch, it gave me the urge to clip my tongue with a blunt scissor, just because.

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Werd. SA2 as a mess, but I still enjoyed a good bit of it... even Treasure Hunting wasn't so bad at first... but it happend waaaaaay too often... and that infernal beeping... MAKE IT STOP!

Rouge was easily the worst character design ever in a game, and she played worse (actually WORSE) than Knuckles did (which is such an insult to that great character). The cut-scenes, especially the President one, were worthless and painfull to watch. There was no setting, no atmosphere... only a chance few good levels between Sonic and Shadow and a few of Tails/Robotnic stages saved the game from being a complete mess. Knuckles doesn't need his own gimmick - he was always fine as "the other Sonic who could climb walls and glide".

Sonic Team was on the right track woth the first Adventure title but too many nay-sayers (IMO) changed the direction of the Sonic Adventure series. I'd love to see it contine (as well it should) and go along the lines of the first and sorta pick up where it left off. Also, Sonic Team would do well to take a few ques from Nintendo in involving thier licenced characters in games better. Tail's can play Chu Chu Rocket on the go... that'd be a great mini-game and opens the door for more online elements. Keep in mind I'm just tossing out ideas as they come, but damn they could do more with the series and maybe - just maybe - they could acheive that final product by actually doing less and NOT LISTENING TO GAMERS. They don't know what the fuck they want.

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Hm, funny that folks in general have no problems with the Tails/Robotnik stages, but found the Knuckles/Rouge treasure hunt stages grating. It's the complete opposite for me. I enjoyed laboring through Big The Cat's game in SA1 more than the Tails/Robotnik levels in SA2.

But I think we can all agree that the different characters' games (if we have to play them at all) should be arranged separately, not one after the other. It worked for MDK2, it does not work for Sonic.

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Hm, funny that folks in general have no problems with the Tails/Robotnik stages, but found the Knuckles/Rouge treasure hunt stages grating. It's the complete opposite for me. I enjoyed laboring through Big The Cat's game in SA1 more than the Tails/Robotnik levels in SA2.

But I think we can all agree that the different characters' games (if we have to play them at all) should be played separately, not one after the other. It worked for MDK2, it does not work for Sonic.

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I'm the same way, I didnt mind the Rouge/Knuckles levels too much, but the Eggman/tails levels grew increasingly annoying and repetivite.

I hated the Knux/Rouge stages in SA2.. I actually enjoyed the Knuckles stages in SA1 though. I didn't mind Big that much either. As for Tails and Robotnik levels in SA2... I thought they were ok. At first I didn't like them but I grew to enjoy them a bit more as the game went on.

I definitely think that one of the reasons the first game was overall a bit better because because you could select which charater to play as. In the next game they should go back to that set up. The best parts of SA2 (the Sonic/Shadow levels) may have been better than the best parts of SA1... but SA2 was a bit more uneven.

I also like the idea of a ChuChu Rocket mini game. Maybe they can make a NiGHTS minigame too and base it on the Japanese NiGHTS cell-phone game.

As for the supporting cast I'd like to see Tails, Knuckles, Shadow (well, if possible), Metal Sonic, Tikal, and maybe Cream (from Sonic Advance 2) if she plays well.

I would also have a 2D Sonic special/bonus stage or two. :)

Dude, NiGHTS should be playable in the game... make it part of the story. That would be much cooler.

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Sonic needs to leave "Earth" and go back to Mobius. I don't want to see one human being in the next game!

I must admit, I hated the Tails/Eggman shooting levels the most. These levels were not only what I didn't want to play, they were bad too. By contrast, the Knuckles stages were done rather well, but still weren't what I wanted to play in a Sonic game.

SA2's biggest flaw was the auto-switching of characters. If you could play the entire game as Sonic until the end, then the Knuckles and Eggman stages would have been merely crappy bonuses. Switching gears so much killed much of the game's fun.

I also didn't mind Big's levels but I did hate Big's character itself. That voice, that stupid music, it was all junk.

I'm anxious to see the next Sonic game, I haven't dismissed ST's efforts yet because they have a full tank of talent. We may bash SA2 but simply play a game like the new Spyro the Dragon and you'll realize just how bad a game can be.

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Dude, NiGHTS should be playable in the game... make it part of the story. That would be much cooler.

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Sonic and NiGHTS are among my favourite games ever so I would surely love that.... but it seems... strange..... How would it work? Would you just put a NiGHTS level or two into the Sonic game? I am not sure if NiGHTS would work in a more traditional Sonic level and in 3D. Why would NiGHTS be there? I guess that could easily be explained....

Maybe the entire game could take place in Nightopia. It makes more sense for Sonic to be in Nightopia than on Earth. You could have blazing fast 2.5D Sonic levels.. or just keep them in 3D.. then you could mix NiGHTS levels in like how the other character were mixed in in the Sonic Adventures.

The more score-based circular levels of NiGHTS would seem to be an odd match with more traditional level based Sonic fare. Maybe a simple NiGHTS cameo would be better. :p

Ah yes, Sonic Adventure 2 hate makes me so happy, and I agree with just about every word that came out of Tracer Bullet's mouth.

What I want:
- NO MORE EXTRA CHARACTERS. This is "Sonic" Adventure after all.
- Bring back the overworld.
- Kill that level to level shit.
- Bring back the jump cancel.
- Bring back the old spin dash.
- Kill that devil/angel chao concept.
- Add a kennel or something in the chao area, so I can store extra animals.
- Bring back the world rankings.

The Knuckles/Rogue levels in SA 2 were, at best, an annoyance. At worst, which was sadly common, they were unbearably boring. Wow, I collect fucking jewel things, how exciting. The "sonic" name didn't came from doing treasure hunts there Sega.

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Originally posted by sggg
Sonic and NiGHTS are among my favourite games ever so I would surely love that.... but it seems... strange..... How would it work? Would you just put a NiGHTS level or two into the Sonic game? I am not sure if NiGHTS would work in a more traditional Sonic level and in 3D. Why would NiGHTS be there? I guess that could easily be explained....

Maybe the entire game could take place in Nightopia. It makes more sense for Sonic to be in Nightopia than on Earth. You could have blazing fast 2.5D Sonic levels.. or just keep them in 3D.. then you could mix NiGHTS levels in like how the other character were mixed in in the Sonic Adventures.

The more score-based circular levels of NiGHTS would seem to be an odd match with more traditional level based Sonic fare. Maybe a simple NiGHTS cameo would be better. :p

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It could work with NiGHTS, but I'm not Sonic Team so I can't really say :P It doesn't have to be cut and paste Nights from Saturn. SA1 and Nights had a bit in common.. they were both fairly easy to control and manuver and SA2's "trick system" (half-assed as it was) could be more refined. NiGHTS could borrow from Sonic and Sonic from NiGHTS. It's not hard to imagine if you think about it for awhile and Sonic being in a Dreamscape is not too far fetched.

And absolutely, The overworld needs to be brought back, of all the things I hated about SA2 I hated it's lack of that the most. SA1 was really cool and that was a big part if it.

I don't care for the overworld hub either way. In the end, it didn't make a whole lot of sense, having ancient civilization ruins, boiling lava, a cyberpunk city, etc., with an American-like urban settung connecting them all. Cutscenes can carry the game just as well as an overworld, and stays more true to the Genesis originals.

Since everyone's making lists, here's what I'd like to see in the Sonic sequels:


-BETTER MUSIC (SA2's sdtk sucked harrrd)

-Rouge dead and forgotten

-Pure Sonic, or the SA1 style of character arrangement

-NO Chao raising

-Keep the minigames to a, well, minimum

-NO human contact except for Robotnik

-Keep Sonic Adv. 2's grading system in the game. Adds fresh gameplay and replay value to the Sonic series

-Keep the Metroid-like items that open up new levels in the game, for the same reason mentioned above

-Bring back the Chaos Emerald bonus stage from the Genesis Sonics

SA and SA2 looks awesome in VGA. I might still rebuy SA2 on GC if it's at 20 now.

The music in SA 2 was awesome. ESPECIALLY those swank Knuckles rap songs.

Well, turns out that the new Sonic game may indeed be announced soon... at least according to Magic-Box:

« Yugi Naka of Sonic Team announced they will reveal a new installment of Sonic at E3 2003 in US. »

:)



ps. I loathed the music in Sonic Adventure 2... and what's worse is that there was no goddamn option to turn the music off! :mad:

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The music in SA 2 was awesome. ESPECIALLY those swank Knuckles rap songs.

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I'm pretty sure you would be shot in ANY neighborhood if you openly admit to that.

But seriously, the Knuckles rap songs (especially those with a lot of lyrics) were horrendously horrible. In fact, now that I think about it, pretty much 90% of the soundtrack was awful. The boss music was the only thing that pleased my ears, although the Rouge jazz music was passable.

I am a little surprised about the Rouge hate though. Do you guys hate her because she was based off Knuckles, whose SA2 levels are the worst designed for any Sonic game? Or is it because of her English voice actress?

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I am a little surprised about the Rouge hate though. Do you guys hate her because she was based off Knuckles, whose SA2 levels are the worst designed for any Sonic game? Or is it because of her English voice actress?

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I would not go so far as to say I hate her... but I think she's definitely the least likable main character in a Sonic game.

Anyway, the main reason I dislike her is the character design. She just looked stupid.. especially the hearts on her feet and whatnot. I also didn't like the Knux/Rouge levels... but I still like Knux in spite of that so it's mainly the character design for me.

Tikal, Cream, and Amy can all kick her arse. :p

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Cowdisease, I guess you couldn't tell the sarcasm in my post.

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Cowdisease, I guess you couldn't tell the sarcasm in my post.

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And I guess you couldn't tell that I could tell the sarcasm in your post.

That would probably be the case... Damn inability of text to accurately exhibit stuff like that.

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Tikal, Cream, and Amy can all kick her arse. :p

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Werd... at least with Tikal. Much better than Rouge. Blarg!

After Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 wouldn't they know what everyone's feedback is on certain levels nobody liked?

Maybe they'll give us a great Sonic game, but then again that's just wishful thinking. Right now I think the best of the newer Sonic games is Sonic Advance although SA1 and 2 had their moments of greatness.

SA1 was mostly greatness IMO.

It's my third favorite Sonic of all time behind Sonic CD and Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

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I really enjoyed Sonic Adventure as well. I loved almost everything about the game. SA2 was a bit weird.. the great parts were outstanding, but it was a much more uneven effort. I actually hated SA2 at first, but after a while and after forcing myself to play it I actually grew to really love it.

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Werd... at least with Tikal. Much better than Rouge. Blarg!

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Yeh, Amy is ho-hum at best and Cream.. well I have not played Advane 2 yet... but she can't be worse than Rouge. Her gameplay seems like it may be fun....

But Tikal is really really cool... one of the best characters Sonic Team has come up with in a while. I really hope they continue to use her in Sonic games. :)

The problem with the Sonic series is that Sega cranks out new characters for it without giving them much thought. Tails was a great addition to the series and had lots of personality but characters like Rouge are an embarassment and never should have made it into a final product.

Well.. the main playable characters in the Sonic universe are:
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Amy (sorta.. she's not been playable in that many games).

Other characters have been:
Cream (Advance 2)
E-102 (Adventure 1)
Big (Adventure 1)
Shadow (Adventure 2)
Rouge (Adventure 2)
Eggman (Adventure 2)

Also: Spinoff games like Sonic R required more characters for obvious reasons and had: Metal Sonic, Tails Doll, Metal Knuckles, etc... Also, some characters were only unlockable in Adventure 2, like Tikal and the Chaowalker thing.

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So... it seems that the problem with adding too many characters has basically been a symptom of the Adventure series. The entire setup of the Adventure series has been controversial since it started though. The new characters have been pretty lacklustre and forgettable (Big, Rouge, etc)... but at least Shadow was fantastic. I hope he retains a place in the Sonic universe.

I hope the new Sonic game forgoes all of these extraneous characters.. or at least relegate them to bonus/multiplayer type characters.