Another one sueing because of GTA.,.....

so im at the barbers today so i didnt get all the details but apparently some lady is forming a case because she bought GTA:VC for *GASP* her young child. apparently she figured since it had the word auto in the title it was a racing game.....totally blocking out the two key words before that one being GRAND and THEFT. also what fucking rock is this lady under if you have no clue by now what the GTA series is about. if the title, description on the box and the big "M" on the front don't give it away mebbe the media onslaught might have? so apparently humans in general are allowed to sue for

-not having to read
-being stoopid
-living under a rock

i mean for christs sake im suprised somebody didnt sue yet every time they raise the price of stamps. i mean if you dont get the paper or the news you might miss it and not be able to send your bills out. im joining 88 and just wishing that 99% of the population just disappear. its people like this that make me sad that we have birth defects and parapaledgics when the "creator" could have just used the parts from this obvious waste of human resources so somebody else without could have legs and arms.

and then they went onto say that "theres a direct relation between video games and violent crimes". ummmm care to explain why japan (much more populous and video game crazy) has one of the lowest violent crime rates? oh yeah....guns are illegal there (which make up the weapon of choice in most violent crimes). give a 15 year old a knife or their fists and they aren't as tough as they are with a gun. gawd hummanity is in a sad state....

Guns are illegal in Japan? I did not know that...

Z-roe

there and australia i believe

what premise is she sueing on?

i would assume that it wasnt blatently obvious what kind of game it was....since she "thought it was a racing game".

you know the industry has done everyting the whiny ass populous and politicians have wanted...dont you think its time for the public to be *gasp* RESPONSIBLE!!??

"theres a direct relation between video games and violent crimes"

Hahahahahaha, that's their case lost just there. Out of all the studies done on the relationship between videogames and violence, there has yet to be a conclusive study to say one way or the other.

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what premise is she sueing on?

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The age old,"I'm an idiotic mother who jumped on the 'video games make kids kill' bandwagon for attention" premise. You know, that old chestnut...


I bet she has a shirt that says, GUNS Don't Kill People, VIDEO GAMES Kill People.

Gimme a damn break already. I'm so sick of this topic.

...so are her kids tramatized? did they beat some kid up at school and get in trouble for it? there had to be a resulting action that occured from playing the game for her to have any reason to sue...

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"thought it was a racing game".

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Yes, a racing game entitled Grand Theft Auto . Hello lady, read that one more time, read it again, and again. Have you ever heard the term "grand theft auto" before? Perhaps on cop shows? The news? Court TV? Newspapers?

If you can't figure out a game called Grand fucking Theft Auto is not for kids, then God help you.

It's really too bad the kid didn't truly learn violent behavior and shoot this bitch. Two words: Social Darwinism.

It's this kind of dipshit frivilous lawsuit crap that ruins the American justice system.

I like what Yoshi said. :D

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It's this kind of dipshit frivilous lawsuit crap that ruins the American justice system.

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Ruined.

Man, it really pisses me off when I hear about this bullshitof mothers sheltering their kids. when are people going to learn that watching or playing something violent will not cause the kid to become a murderer. What will cause the kid to become a murderer is if he is just a dumb fucking idiot.

im against hitting women and all

but some one should really punch this bitch in the grill

Dude, I can understand being angry...but some of you are proving that video games DO, in fact, give people a violent-nature. Yoshi, you're a mod..?

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Dude, I can understand being angry...but some of you are proving that video games DO, in fact, give people a violent-nature. Yoshi, you're a mod..?

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Video games don't cause me to become violent.

Rampant stupidity causes me to become violent, and only then I feel I'm doing my part to help clean the gene pool.

(For what it's worth, I'm very non-violent by nature. I just don't feel bad wishing ill upon the idiots of the world.)

Don't make up excuses. That has nothing to do with the awful things some of the people have said on here...

It's needless. Sure she may be stupid, but lord...

When a guy with the title "poop eater" starts making sense, its time to go kill myself....

Its not that people are getting dumber, its that the stupid people are having kids. Lots of em, and there is noone left to knock some feaking sense into them.

Its time for some unatural selection. :)

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Don't make up excuses. That has nothing to do with the awful things some of the people have said on here...

It's needless. Sure she may be stupid, but lord...

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words are different from actions you know...

I am aware of that, but it's possible to think before they type or speak. This isn't fight club, and wishing a kid to turn violent and shoot his mother isn't cool considering the point we are trying to get across...

And it's even weirder he's a mod...

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Its not that people are getting dumber, its that the stupid people are having kids.

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Exactly. The kids of the hippies are now having kids. That can't be good.

i dont see where aurora is coming from saying that what you guys are saying is proof that games cause violence. if this was a fast food board and the lady was suing because of something fast food related and they said the same things would you feel the same way? games have nothing to do with the anger, its the womans stupidity. also why does everyone always want a dollar amount in their checkbook when they sue about stuff like this? that woman thats trying to sue SONY because of her waste of a son's EQ addiction makes me sick. mebbe if she would use the money to build an "EQ addict clinic" i wouldnt mind as much, but you know as soon as she gets that money (assuming she would) you know DAMN well she'd buy all the creature comforts....off her son's death. now THAT just makes me sick.

It would be wrong for them too. And I probably would blame it on the food, hee hee. But that's not the point, to wish that on someone even for their stupidity is not right. It's a stupid game--a hobby. You people act like she fucking killed your mom.

What I am saying is that you guys are like "video games don't make people violent! FuCk H3r!!! She should be shot by her son and die! Kill her!!! Kill her now! The stupid bitch!"

Dumb.

Yeah, she's dumb. And she's probably greedy. That's life...

How are you guys any better than her by wanting her to die over a video game?

I think most people here were just letting off steam, Aurora. That woman, the one whose suing over GTA, is just try to extort money.

I guess I'm just dumbfounded by how something like this can get people's panties all bunched up so easily. I mean, it's not going to effect you. People have been blaming video games for all sorts of shit for the longest time. And they get more violent and controversial each yr.

Big deal.

You people are a wee bit too into this hobby...

aurora, none off your post prove and relation between gaming and violence...it doesn't help that all you credibility was shot to hell after you pop-kids thread or whatever it was...not to mention you keep that stupid ass avatar and sig...

aurora it most certainly effects us. if more people like this win more lawsuits it could take away one of our hobbies. after this they could turn to movies and music and then the internet. granted none of these things i mentioned are life altering in the least but thats my explanation. also, while they may get riled up about this woman, you at the same time are letting them rile you up are you not ;)

and yes we get riled up about this hobby of ours but what do you expect in a videogame board :)

Dragonmaster Dyne, it won't affect anything. It never has. Video games have always caused a stir, but they continue to get more controversial. I'm willing to be the majority of parents don't give a damn what their kid is playing. "They're just dumb video games" is what I know a lot say.

Glad you're being mature about this though, unlike the retard below...

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aurora, none off your post prove and relation between gaming and violence...it doesn't help that all you credibility was shot to hell after you pop-kids thread or whatever it was...not to mention you keep that stupid ass avatar and sig...

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You just proved everything I wanted to prove right there.

I don't see how my Toilet Kids threads have anything to do with wanting to kill someone because they wanted to sue over GTA. Dumbass.

toilet kids!!?? isnt that the really fucked up T-16 overhead shooter with poop and toilets? i played that before....funny shit :)

Aurora, people are behaving lie this because it seems that like atleast once a month we are exposed to blatant stupidity like this. Not only that people actually win cases like these even though it was their own fault in the first place.

Then there is the fact that there is a movement to ban violent games despite the fact that studies show no correlation between violence and violent videogames and that games have rathings on them and retailers are forbidden by law to sell these to minors without parental consent.

Then there is the media always trying to blame videogames on just about every violent act atleast once a week. I mean do you really think a game like doom can make a person so mentally unstable that he goes on a killing spree?

Why should we gamers give up our favourite hobby when videogames don't even do harm to people in the first place. And don't we have a right to be irritated when people blame videogames for something when they don't even have any proof showing that it can make someone do that, and when it was the person who bought the game despite the rating cearly on the box?

Irritation is fine, but there's a point where irritation goes to far. And I'm not blaming everyone in the thread. Just the one wishing for violence against this woman. I find that a little odd reaction for a HOBBY.


Toilet Kids equals the best game ever! :)

Quiet you asexual boy.

No one really means it here, we are just letting off steam. Although I agree with the person who said that it is a damn shame that there are crippled and mentally disabled people out there that deserve a healthy body and mind more than these people.

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Quiet you asexual boy.

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Dragonmaster Dyne, it won't affect anything. It never has.

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Four letters:

E. S. R. B.

Ever hear of it?

It does affect everything. Slow though the process may be, it's still churning. And, eventually, something bad will happen. Something bad always happens.

Besides, we were all letting off steam. I wish no ill will upon anyone, no matter how stupid, however, I believe violent expressions are very poignient in point making. You need to learn how to discern a real, honest to goodness desire from a knee-jerk sentement.

The E. S. R. B is a joke and was voluntarily created by the industry. It's self-regulatory.

Captain Veggie, the problem with the ESRB is that the parents don't read the damn ratings they give out. It's a fine organization in theory, but the execution of their work (the ratings) is flawed unless they are featured more prominently.

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The E. S. R. B is a joke and was voluntarily created by the industry.

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I agree...but it was "voluntarily" created by the industry after being brought before several courts and the Senate. It was a "Yes, we hear you and we're doing something about it because we know you're pissed off" kind of thing.

Do you seriously think the ESRB would have come about had the press/parents/government not made such a stink about it?

The fact of the matter is, that no matter how usless the ESRB actually is, it was created as a reply to the disapproving masses. The louder the masses cry, the more stringent the next ratings board will be.

Again, it effects everything. No matter how slow to start, something will come of this.

And you still need a class in discernment.

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Captain Veggie, the problem with the ESRB is that the parents don't read the damn ratings they give out. It's a fine organization in theory, but the execution of their work (the ratings) is flawed unless they are featured more prominently.

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Yepper. But that's not why I brought them into this. Aurora said it would affect nothing. The ESRB is in stark contrast to that statement. I brought them into this to show Aurora that his "it'll affect nothing" sentement is extremely, and grossly inacurate.

Gotcha. Before the ESRB ratings were done, the only rating system used was the one by Sega, which was pretty effective since the ratings were prominently featured on boxes.

It doesn't effect anything. People years and YEARS ago complained about Dungeons and Dragons. Now we have people killing prostitutes.

People complained about sexuality in Three's Company...now we have South Park.

You're not going to lose your games over some stupid lady, people.

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Gotcha. Before the ESRB ratings were done, the only rating system used was the one by Sega, which was pretty effective since the ratings were prominently featured on boxes.

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Which they wouldn't have even used had it not been for the attention Night Trap garnered. So even the very first rating system was ushered in by disgrunteled government officials and disapproving parents. ;)

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It doesn't effect anything. People years and YEARS ago complained about Dungeons and Dragons. Now we have people killing prostitutes.

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Huh?!

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You're not going to lose your games over some stupid lady, people.

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Never said we would. What we could lose are venues from which we purchase our games, and our ease of purchasing them.

You're being extremely narrow minded.

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The E. S. R. B is a joke and was voluntarily created by the industry. It's self-regulatory.

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I'm sorry, Aurora, but that's not true. Politicians like Liberman(sp?)needed a boost of credibilty to win more votes, so they went for the one thing that couldn't defend itself; videogames. Games like GTA just add fuel to the flame that is the senators and mayor's egos. They saw videogames as an easy scapegoat to win over more vote(r)s, and they took it. The ESRB came about because the parents/politicians/idiots all jumped on the bandwagon, and the industry needed to do something to quiet the harsh cries of blame. The ESRB wasn't created voluntarily; the overly-conscious public created it. And it's STILL not enough for some people. Go figure.

I'm not being narrow-minded at all. You people are. You act like this is something new. if it's crap that happens all the time, why is it worth wishing people to die over?

It's not going to DO anything. It never has.

My point was that people complain, but it won't affect anything to the extent of not being able to see it again. If anything, things will only get more violent and more controversial over time. That's how things work, not in the opposite.



"What we could lose are venues from which we purchase our games, and our ease of purchasing them."

And explain to me how this is?

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I'm sorry, Aurora, but that's not true. Politicians like Liberman(sp?)needed a boost of credibilty to win more votes, so they went for the one thing that couldn't defend itself; videogames. Games like GTA just add fuel to the flame that is the senators and mayor's egos. They saw videogames as an easy scapegoat to win over more vote(r)s, and they took it. The ESRB came about because the parents/politicians/idiots all jumped on the bandwagon, and the industry needed to do something to quiet the harsh cries of blame. The ESRB wasn't created voluntarily; the overly-conscious public created it. And it's STILL not enough for some people. Go figure.

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regardless of if they were pushed or not, they are self-proclaimed regulatory. Go to the site.

And why are we even talking about this? Stick to the issue at hand. You can complain all you want, that's fine, but wanting the little boy to shoot his mother, and the comment about wanting to punch her was retarded. If you're going to support these comments, make lame-ass excuses for them, and hide under your little esrb talk for a cop-out...then I'm done talking with you.

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And explain to me how this is?

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Ever get carded before?

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Although I agree with the person who said that it is a damn shame that there are crippled and mentally disabled people out there that deserve a healthy body and mind more than these people.

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that would have been me and i feel as strong about that statement as any other. to see people try to do what some have gotten away with makes me sick...and us as a society just let it happen.

its always "family member x died, now give me money". theres a BIG difference between coping with ones death and USING ones death....which the law never seems to really understand.

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I'm not being narrow-minded at all. You people are. You act like this is something new. if it's crap that happens all the time, why is it worth wishing people to die over?

It's not going to DO anything. It never has.

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It made the ESRB come about, that's for sure.You think the game companies wanted to limit sales by marketing only to adults? Not a chance. It's not smart business thinking. Believe me, morals have no importance when there's money to be earned. In the eyes of business men out to make a buck, a dead body is nothing compared to a dollar bill. Sad, but true.

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My point was that people complain, but it won't affect anything to the extent of not being able to see it again. If anything, things will only get more violent and more controversial over time. That's how things work, not in the opposite.

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But people complained about video games being violent, and now look what happens?

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"What we could lose are venues from which we purchase our games, and our ease of purchasing them."

And explain to me how this is?

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If the companies start losing the lawsuits against them, they'll have to start limiting where the game is marketed/sold. That means less and less stores will be selling the games with an "M" rating, which means less and less of a chance to purchase the games that we enjoy and want to play. Don't be surprised if people over 18 will start having to show I.D. to buy games with an M rating.

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yep, and I show them my license. I think I closed down a few gamestops that day...

You know, out of all the people in the world..you only hear about the stupid ones. The media doesn't make stories about the other million people who ARN'T sueing sony.

Aurora, since when has going to a company's official website EVER resulted in finding helpful, unbiased info?

You're right Jeremy, they're lying.

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And why are we even talking about this? Stick to the issue at hand. You can complain all you want, that's fine, but wanting the little boy to shoot his mother, and the comment about wanting to punch her was retarded.

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You still need to lighten up. It was said to make a point, and a point well taken.

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If you're going to support these comments, make lame-ass excuses for them, and hide under your little esrb talk for a cop-out...then I'm done talking with you.

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Hiding behind?! Nope. I was simply showing you that their complaining does, infact, change the geography of the industry, whether or not they say so on the website.

Just because you have no working knowlege of political climates and industry interworkings doesn't mean I'm wrong. Little is as it seems, especially in politics and industry.

Aurora, I never said they were lying, just insinuating that going to the official site isn't always the best way to find out legit info on a company.

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regardless of if they were pushed or not, they are self-proclaimed regulatory. Go to the site.

And why are we even talking about this? Stick to the issue at hand. You can complain all you want, that's fine, but wanting the little boy to shoot his mother, and the comment about wanting to punch her was retarded. If you're going to support these comments, make lame-ass excuses for them, and hide under your little esrb talk for a cop-out...then I'm done talking with you.

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When did I complain? When the hell did I want the little kid to shoot his mother? When did I support these comments(which is what we, in the REAL world, call BLOWING OFF STEAM)? Oh, and my "little esrb talk" is one of the main issues of this discussion. Try starting(and keeping)a conversation about ratings in video games or video game violence without mention the ESRB. When.......oh, jesus. I was going to keep talking, but then I saw your sig and status.

You need help buddy......and QUICK.

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It made the ESRB come about, that's for sure.You think the game companies wanted to limit sales by marketing only to adults? Not a chance. It's not smart business thinking. Believe me, morals have no importance when there's money to be earned. In the eyes of business men out to make a buck, a dead body is nothing compared to a dollar bill. Sad, but true.





But people complained about video games being violent, and now look what happens?





If the companies start losing the lawsuits against them, they'll have to start limiting where the game is marketed/sold. That means less and less stores will be selling the games with an "M" rating, which means less and less of a chance to purchase the games that we enjoy and want to play. Don't be surprised if people over 18 will start having to show I.D. to buy games with an M rating.

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You still need to lighten up. It was said to make a point, and a point well taken.



Hiding behind?! Nope. I was simply showing you that their complaining does, infact, change the geography of the industry, whether or not they say so on the website.

Just because you have no working knowlege of political climates and industry interworkings doesn't mean I'm wrong. Little is as it seems, especially in politics and industry.

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I don't have to know shit about politics, I just know what I have witnessed the near 20 yrs I have lived. What is making you people so angry? They are not going to take your games away.

They are not going to take your game stores away.

Nothing is going to happen from this lawsuit.

Calling me narrow minded while saying that a person who wants a mother's son to shoot her was "making a point" doesn't give credential in my book.

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When did I complain? When the hell did I want the little kid to shoot his mother? When did I support these comments(which is what we, in the REAL world, call BLOWING OFF STEAM)? Oh, and my "little esrb talk" is one of the main issues of this discussion. Try starting(and keeping)a conversation about ratings in video games or video game violence without mention the ESRB. When.......oh, jesus. I was going to keep talking, but then I saw your sig and status.

You need help buddy......and QUICK.

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I wasn't talking to JUST you.

Grow up, I am having a discussion. I'm not the one wishing people get shot here (like Yoshi). But, of course, since I am being anti-violent I need help. Good point, soldier.

"If the companies start losing the lawsuits against them, they'll have to start limiting where the game is marketed/sold. That means less and less stores will be selling the games with an "M" rating, which means less and less of a chance to purchase the games that we enjoy and want to play. Don't be surprised if people over 18 will start having to show I.D. to buy games with an M rating. "

Cause they lose HOW many lawsuits?

And I could care less if people over 18 have to show ids. It doesn't make the game go away.

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Because everyone means everything that comes out of their mouths. Nothing is metaphorical, and absolutely nothing is said in an extreme fashion to better prove one's severe distaste for certain circumstances.

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And I could care less if people over 18 have to show ids. It doesn't make the game go away.

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Never said it would go away. I did say it might make buying those games more dificult.

After reading this statement, it has become clear to me that you cannot maintain a coherent conversation, as you forget points, manipulate others, and plain misunderstand everything else.

I'm done.

Yoshi is always angry, I wouldn't be surprised if he meant it. And it wasn't just him. It's different to say "God I'd like to smack her" and what he said.

Here's the way I see it. The esrb was created in for the purpose of protecting companies against retard mothers like this. Without it, they COULD very well lose the lawsuits.

But, I don't even care about that. I'm just confused about how people can be so upset top say the things they did over something like this. It's a VIDEOGAME and a STUPID LADY WHO WILL NOT WIN! It's better to laugh at it, because you probably have GTA in your collection right now anyways. It's SAFE! it's NOT going anywhere.

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After reading this statement, it has become clear to me that you cannot maintain a coherent conversation, as you forget points, manipulate others, and plain misunderstand everything else.

I'm done. [/B]

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You're right. Since I am angry at the violent comments on here, I am at fault. Forgive me kind sir, I am sooo manipulative. If I am forgetting points, sorry, there's like 5 different people spewing crap at me.

And it's just that, crap. All I was trying to point out is that there's letting off steam...and then there's just being plain cruel. But if you feel you are right and you feel to jest about son's shooting there mother b/c she's involved in a videogame lawsuit...cool.

"And explain to me how this is?"

Did you like miss the whole episode when gaming was banned completely in Greece?


And how is ESRB system a joke? It is the people who buy the game who are a joke, if you can't be bothered looking at the ESRB rating for your child's sake, you are not even a fit parent. BTW there is a correlationn between porn and rape rates according to studies(though Cuba doesn't show it, but that is because ther hasn't been a single rape case won by the victims).

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"And explain to me how this is?"

Did you like miss the whole episode when gaming was banned completely in Greece?


And how is ESRB system a joke? It is the people who buy the game who are a joke, if you can't be bothered looking at the ESRB rating for your child's sake, you are not even a fit parent. BTW there is a correlationn between porn and rape rates according to studies(though Cuba doesn't show it, but that is because ther hasn't been a single rape case won by the victims).

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Ah, Greece. I remember that. :D

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"And explain to me how this is?"

Did you like miss the whole episode when gaming was banned completely in Greece?


And how is ESRB system a joke? It is the people who buy the game who are a joke, if you can't be bothered looking at the ESRB rating for your child's sake, you are not even a fit parent. BTW there is a correlationn between porn and rape rates according to studies(though Cuba doesn't show it, but that is because ther hasn't been a single rape case won by the victims).

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Hmm...I could have sworn Greece and the United States were different. Maybe I learned wrong in school.

The esrb is a joke b/c no one pays attention to it. Most stores ignore it.

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Here's the way I see it. The esrb was created in for the purpose of protecting companies against retard mothers like this. Without it, they COULD very well lose the lawsuits.

But, I don't even care about that. I'm just confused about how people can be so upset top say the things they did over something like this. It's a VIDEOGAME and a STUPID LADY WHO WILL NOT WIN! It's better to laugh at it, because you probably have GTA in your collection right now anyways. It's SAFE! it's NOT going anywhere.

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Whoa, whoa there, buddy. Did I just detect.......(banish the thought)......ANGER, in that last post? Hmmm, what a mystery....


Oh, and as for the "it's SAFE, it's NOT going anywhere!" comment; how do you know that the future of GTA(or any other violent game the politicians decide to go after next)is safe? Do you have some kind of magical poop-enabled asexual non-violent hypocritical, manipulative crystal ball that I'm not aware of?

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You are. These are simple knee jerk reactions as people said before. We are all just letting off some steam. Would you prefer we don't say stuff like this and actually do the crime?

http://www.freedomforum.org/template...cumentID=14049

not sure if they won or not but the lawsuit for columbine, the familes wanted 5 billion dollars. yes....5 BILLION. if they won that that would have seriously fucked the industry. sure it would have been split from 25 companies but thats still a helluva load of cash. and we all know that situation had jack to do with games or the mansoin music they listened to. they were just fucked from the beginning.

http://www.kconline.com/deckers/0302.html#03021

this man wanted an unspecified amount for having seizure while playing games which i KNOW they had warnings in every piece of printed material with systems and games loooong beofre 1999.


i know these arent the greatest of examples but i just wanted you to know companies loose a helluva lot in lawsuits and most are settled out of court like when people bitch about the advertising. i think a company payed a large sum because of their last add not too long ago....was a european company because it offended someone. silly really.

oh and shinji...thanks for the new sig quote man :D

Yeah, you detected anger. I clearly stated "It's really too bad the kid didn't truly learn violent behavior and shoot this bitch. Two words: Social Darwinism."

"Oh, and as for the "it's SAFE, it's NOT going anywhere!" comment; how do you know that the future of GTA(or any other violent game the politicians decide to go after next)is safe? Do you have some kind of magical poop-enabled asexual non-violent hypocritical, manipulative crystal ball that I'm not aware of?"


Funny how you say I am the one who needs help, but you're the one who keeps getting personal. And think about it, over time games have gotten more and more controversial. GTA is safe.

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You are. These are simple knee jerk reactions as people said before. We are all just letting off some steam. Would you prefer we don't say stuff like this and actually do the crime?

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If you think you were being witty or something here, think again. That was the dumbest thing I have ever heard *rolls eyes*

Explain how I am being hypocritical, Shinji.

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Originally posted by Aurora
Yeah, you detected anger. I clearly stated "It's really too bad the kid didn't truly learn violent behavior and shoot this bitch. Two words: Social Darwinism."

"Oh, and as for the "it's SAFE, it's NOT going anywhere!" comment; how do you know that the future of GTA(or any other violent game the politicians decide to go after next)is safe? Do you have some kind of magical poop-enabled asexual non-violent hypocritical, manipulative crystal ball that I'm not aware of?"


Funny how you say I am the one who needs help, but you're the one who keeps getting personal. And think about it, over time games have gotten more and more controversial. GTA is safe.




If you think you were being witty or something here, think again. That was the dumbest thing I have ever heard *rolls eyes*

Explain how I am being hypocritical, Shinji.

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Have you realized yet that you're the only person to have a problem with what was said?

That's because you cannot recognise it for what it is. Again I say, take a class in discernment.

true games....and movies have become more controversial but at the same time more and more standards are put in place to make the access of said materials that much harder.

i always hated not selling a game to a minor only to have a parent come in and verbally accost me for doing my job only to return the game the next day because of it's content. i would always just laugh and asked why it was so easy to be a parent.

but there was actually one time when the parents were in the store and i didn't sell their kid a game. the father asked why, so i explained the ESRB and the content of the game to him and he actually said "we need more people like you working these stores". really made my day it did.

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Hmm...I could have sworn Greece and the United States were different. Maybe I learned wrong in school.

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All governments are just as retarded as each other, if there is enough people wanting something, the chances are that the government will enforce it. I don't have that much faith in humanity to doubt that Governments will force ban things and let people make their own judgements on things. If I remember correctly GTA3 was banned here in Australia.

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The esrb is a joke b/c no one pays attention to it. Most stores ignore it.

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Whose fault is that? Isn't it a law in your country that stores have to follow these rules?

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Originally posted by Aurora
Explain how I am being hypocritical, Shinji.

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You're getting angry because we are getting angry.

No, there was someone who agreed with me earlier on.

I am allowed to have an opinion. You can disagree all you want, but it doesn't mean I have to "take a class in discernment". It means I disgree.

I think it's silly to say such violent things over this issue. Sue me (haha).

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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
You're getting angry because we are getting angry.

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If you bothered to read anything I have written, you'd know I don't mind the anger, I just mind the violent comments.

"Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
You're getting angry because we are getting angry. "


Like, maybe my FIRST post could tell you something..

"Dude, I can understand being angry.."

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Originally posted by shinji
[B]Whoa, whoa there, buddy. Did I just detect.......(banish the thought)......ANGER, in that last post? Hmmm, what a mystery....

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Again, maybe my FIRST post could tell you something. Learn to read, it's your friend...

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If you think you were being witty or something here, think again. That was the dumbest thing I have ever heard *rolls eyes*

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People who say stuff like this, especially in an open place like the internet or in public aren't going to do the crime they say they are going to do.... well except for terrorists who want to spread fear. But that is a whole different discussion.

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Originally posted by Aurora
If you think you were being witty or something here, think again. That was the dumbest thing I have ever heard *rolls eyes*

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Do you even read any of your own posts? :bang:

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Explain how I am being hypocritical, Shinji.

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Here we go:


Posted by: Aurora - Yoshi is always angry, I wouldn't be surprised if he meant it.

Here's the way I see it. The esrb was created in for the purpose of protecting companies against retard mothers like this. Without it, they COULD very well lose the lawsuits.

But, I don't even care about that. I'm just confused about how people can be so upset top say the things they did over something like this. It's a VIDEOGAME and a STUPID LADY WHO WILL NOT WIN! It's better to laugh at it, because you probably have GTA in your collection right now anyways. It's SAFE! it's NOT going anywhere


So, Yoshi blowing off steam is considered blasphemey, but you calling the mothers "retarded, and STUPID!!!" is not? Strike 1, kiddo.


Posted by: Aurora - All I was trying to point out is that there's letting off steam


there's like 5 different people spewing crap at me

I didn't know that people expressing their opinions is considered "crap". Well, if it is, I guess you "eat your words", don't you?


Posted by: Aurora - Here's the way I see it. The esrb was created in for the purpose of protecting companies against retard mothers like this. Without it, they COULD very well lose the lawsuits.


The esrb is a joke b/c no one pays attention to it. Most stores ignore it
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Proof enough?

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Originally posted by Aurora
No, there was someone who agreed with me earlier on.

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And discontinued their support in a hurry. Where are they now?

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I am allowed to have an opinion. You can disagree all you want, but it doesn't mean I have to "take a class in discernment". It means I disgree.

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You can disagree all you want...but that doesn't make your perception less warped.

The reality of the situation verses you're perception is a moot comparison. Reality is reality, reguardless if you agree or disagree.

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I think it's silly to say such violent things over this issue. Sue me (haha).

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I realize this...but who are you to chastize me for disagreeing? You disagree with me and when I tell you you're wrong, you say you're alowed to have an opinion and that you simply disagree. I disagree with you and I'm told I'm wrong and subsequently bear witness to all of your ranting and raving.

OK. You think what was said is wrong. Fine. I DISAGREE. Now go see you mommy, I think she's calling you.

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If you bothered to read anything I have written, you'd know I don't mind the anger, I just mind the violent comments.

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Mind the violence all you want. But, similarly to the lawsuits not changing the climate of the industry (alllegedly), your comments will not change the climate of the forum. Pike off.

"Here's the way I see it. The esrb was created in for the purpose of protecting companies against retard mothers like this. Without it, they COULD very well lose the lawsuits"


"The esrb is a joke b/c no one pays attention to it. Most stores ignore it"


Yeah, it's a joke BECAUSE no one pays attention to it. BUT, if they were to get sued, they would have something to fall back on. Make sense? Sorry if it's over your head.


And I won't comment on the rest. If you equate calling someone a retard with wanting someone to die, then it's not worth responding to.

Am I not supposed to think people's comments are crap when they are telling me I need help for disagreeing?
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"Proof enough?"

Nope.

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Now go see you mommy, I think she's calling you.

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You're right, she took my GTA auto away so I gotta go shoot her.

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Originally posted by Aurora
...they are telling me I need help for disagreeing?

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I never said you need help for disagreeing.

I am quite capable of communicating my thoughts and ideas without you putting words in my mouth.

Simply because you misunderstand most things that are posted doesn't mean they were ment that way, or even said at all.

What I said you need help with is discerning. Then, maybe, you'd be able to see certain statements as they were ment, which may or may not impact your agreeances.

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Originally posted by Aurora
You're right, she took my GTA auto away so I gotta go shoot her.

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As closed minded and incorrect as you are...I found this funny. Nice shot. You got a chuckle out of me. ;)

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Originally posted by Aurora
"Here's the way I see it. The esrb was created in for the purpose of protecting companies against retard mothers like this. Without it, they COULD very well lose the lawsuits"


"The esrb is a joke b/c no one pays attention to it. Most stores ignore it"


Yeah, it's a joke BECAUSE no one pays attention to it. BUT, if they were to get sued, they would have something to fall back on. Make sense, sorry if it's over your head.

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But, wouldn't the joke be that people didn't pay attention to something that's obviously there to distinguish the "nice from the naughty?". Maybe you should apologize for the utter stupidity of your arguement.

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And I won't comment on the rest. If you equate calling someone a retard with wanting someone to die, then it's not worth responding to.

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Call someone a retard long enough, and if they're mentally unstable, they'll want you to die. One leads to another; your words are not less wrong then ours.

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Am I not supposed to think people's comments are crap when they are telling me I need help for disagreeing?
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"Proof enough?"

Nope.

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....then, my young padawan, there is no hope for you.....

I hope Aurora is the only idiot who can't understand what people are saying because this is the main reason I came to this forum. I knew the lack of a thread which will make your head hurt because of the sheer idocy of it wouldn't lact. :\

I am pretty aware of everything going on in the thread, Shinji just thinks he's clever and thinks people are stupid enough to fall for him twisting my words around ;p I am no expert on these subjects, and I never said I was. But, I have an opinion. Neat!

There's anger (which I think is ok)...and then there's wishing violence against someone. I think the difference is pretty large.

I esrb is a joke because you can buy mature games even when you are young. But it's a protective measure for the game companies. "But it has M on it!!"

I am not being hypocritical.

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Originally posted by shinji
[B]But, wouldn't the joke be that people didn't pay attention to something that's obviously there to distinguish the "nice from the naughty?". Maybe you should apologize for the utter stupidity of your arguement.

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Umm...yeah, that is the joke.

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Call someone a retard long enough, and if they're mentally unstable, they'll want you to die. One leads to another; your words are not less wrong then ours.

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Oh yeah, you're correct sir. Just like always *rolls eyes*

Go up to a mother and say "I hope your son shoots you". Then go up to another mother and call her a retard. Same thing. Yeah, you're right.

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Originally posted by Aurora
I am pretty aware of everything going on in the thread, Shinji just thinks he's clever and thinks people are stupid enough to fall for him twisting my words around ;p I am no expert on these subjects, and I never said I was. But, I have an opinion. Neat!

There's anger (which I think is ok)...and then there's wishing violence against someone. I think the difference is pretty large.

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*In best Yoda Impression*

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"

Anger leads to violence. As simple as that.

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I esrb is a joke because you can buy mature games even when you are young. But it's a protective measure for the game companies. "But it has M on it!!"

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Yes, it's a protective measure for the game companies. If someone bitches, they just point to the label. The people who ignore the rating and buy GTA for their 4 year old daughter are the joke.

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I am not being hypocritical.

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Understatement of the century!!

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Originally posted by Aurora

Go up to a mother and say "I hope your son shoots you". Then go up to another mother and call her a retard. Same thing. Yeah, you're right.

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But see, you're less likely to get smacked if you tell her "I hope your son shoots you" then if you up and front call her a retard. What's the difference anyway? They're both harsh statements that hurt someone's feelings. Is one statement any less hurtful/vulgar then the other?

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Yes, it's a protective measure for the game companies. If someone bitches, they just point to the label. The people who ignore the rating and buy GTA for their 4 year old daughter are the joke.

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And I never said otherwise.




You've STILL never given me prove of where I was being hypocritical.

Does this lady live near you? If so, steal the bitches' car. :D

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Originally posted by Aurora
And I never said otherwise.




You've STILL never given me prove of where I was being hypocritical.

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Please, PLEASE re-read my above post about you being hypocritical. I'll feel better.....

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But see, you're less likely to get smacked if you tell her "I hope your son shoots you" then if you up and front call her a retard. What's the difference anyway? They're both harsh statements that hurt someone's feelings. Is one statement any less hurtful/vulgar then the other? [/B]

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Well, that's what you think. I don't agree. Calling me hypocritical is going a bit too far, because there's an obvious difference between calling someone retarded and saying you want someone to die.

One actually implies violence. The other doesn't.

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Originally posted by shinji
Please, PLEASE re-read my above post about you being hypocritical. I'll feel better.....

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Dude, I read it and already explained it...I was not being hypocritical...unless "retard" and "I want her to get shot" are suddenly synonyms...

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Originally posted by Aurora
Well, that's what you think. I don't agree. Calling me hypocritical is going a bit too far, because there's an obvious difference between calling someone retarded and saying you want someone to die.

One actually implies violence. The other doesn't.



Dude, I read it and already explained it...I was not being hypocritical...unless "retard" and "I want her to get shot" are suddenly synonyms...

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No, but both are vulgar statements that could lead to a fight, or worse. Maybe if the comments were "fucking retard" and "simply beautiful", then you'd have an arguement. But with either comment, you're likely to get smacked.

She thought it was a racing game? Oh, for fuck's sake! This lady needs to stop drinking so much Illiterade.

When the box has images of pimps and such, the name "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City", and a big ol' M in the corner... it sure doesn't look like a racing game. The content descriptor on the back of the box also has a few things to say about why it is rated M, also (i.e. Blood, Violence)

I think the ESRB ratings should be done a little differently. The M rating tag should be red and twice the size, while the T tag should be yellow and also twice as large. The E tag should stay the same. There should be AAMA/AMOA style content markers on the front of the box such as "Life-Like Violence Strong" next to the rating. Not everyone looks at the back of the box.

Aurora- we may not lose our games, but it could become tougher to get them.

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Originally posted by shinji
No, but both are vulgar statements that could lead to a fight, or worse. Maybe if the comments were "fucking retard" and "simply beautiful", then you'd have an arguement. But with either comment, you're likely to get smacked.

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I see a HUGE difference between thinking someone is retarded and wishing them death. But, if you don't, that's you. My comments spoke nothing of wanting to KILL the woman.

I don't get how you can go off poking fun at me with your little "Whoa, whoa there, buddy. Did I just detect.......(banish the thought)......ANGER, in that last post? Hmmm, what a mystery...." when in at least FIVE of my posts I have said "it's ok to be angry, but wishing death is too far". You get mad at me for not reading, yet you blame ME for YOU misinterpreting the esrb joke comment I made.

It's whatever. I'm gonna go oogle the new Mac I wanna get :)

Games aren't going to become tougher to get. Least, not for me, I"m 30, screw you young bastards. Raise the drinking age to 30! 30 I say!

Other than that, I agree 100% with Aurora.

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Originally posted by Aurora
I see a HUGE difference between thinking someone is retarded and wishing them death. But, if you don't, that's you. My comments spoke nothing of wanting to KILL the woman.

I don't get how you can go off poking fun at me with your little "Whoa, whoa there, buddy. Did I just detect.......(banish the thought)......ANGER, in that last post? Hmmm, what a mystery...." when in at least FIVE of my posts I have said "it's ok to be angry, but wishing death is too far". You get mad at me for not reading, get you blame ME for YOU misinterpreting the esrb joke comment I made.

It's whatever. I'm gonna go oogle the new Mac I wanna get :)

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Wow, what a freakin' closure!! I'm officially done with this thread. Aurora, it's been fun. Next time we argue like this, may the bestest poop-eater win. Goodnight!!

"My comments spoke nothing of wanting to KILL the woman."

No one here WANTS to kill the woman. Maybe you should stop being a retard and realise that when people say thing out of anger, they don't mean what they say, rather they just say those thing to express themselves better.

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Originally posted by Damian79
"My comments spoke nothing of wanting to KILL the woman."

No one here WANTS to kill the woman. Maybe you should stop being a retard and realise that when people say thing out of anger, they don't mean what they say, rather they just say those thing to express themselves better.

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You know what dude, no one even cares what you post. Honestly. Because it's common-sense that I actually believe Yoshi is going to go kill the woman, uh-huh.

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Originally posted by shinji
Wow, what a freakin' closure!! I'm officially done with this thread. Aurora, it's been fun. Next time we argue like this, may the bestest poop-eater win. Goodnight!!

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Yeah, 'twas fun, :)

Now that was some nice, rambing BS we all spouted for pages. Yay us.

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Originally posted by Jeremy
Now that was some nice, rambing BS we all spouted for pages. Yay us.

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Doesn't utter BS spread across an internet forum rule?

There's more to me than poop! *hides*

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You know what dude, no one even cares what you post. Honestly.

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Oh, my poor little heart is crushed. That's it I am going to find some wood, put them in the bathtub, close the windows and doors and burn myself to death just so some beatnick poet writes about how ironic my death was.

Right...
Shinji, you derned skippy man.

What will the poem's title be?

Death of a Dipshit?

Um, how am I supposed to know, I am not the damn poet. Shows how damned retarded you are. I mean really, do you even think before you post or does all that poop that goes into your mouth go straight out your ass and into your posts?

hee hee, sounds pretty sweet to me :)

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Originally posted by Damian79
Um, how am I supposed to know, I am not the damn poet. Shows how damned retarded you are. I mean really, do you even think before you post or does all that poop that goes into your mouth go straight out your ass and into your posts?

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Dude, think about THAT one...why would I put poop into my posts when I EAT it. Silly goose.

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Originally posted by Aurora
You know what dude, no one even cares what you post. Honestly. Because it's common-sense that I actually believe Yoshi is going to go kill the woman, uh-huh.

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I'm not killing anyone. I have minions for dirty work like that. Mwuhahahahahaha! :evil: