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Well, PS2 Jaggies dont bother me as much as N64 Blurring, and awful controller.
I never was N64 fan. Even though I liked a few games on the system, like Zeldas, GE I never cared to get that system. Majority of the games didnt attract me, so I concetrated on PSX and Saturn instead. Only recently I aquired N64, and for the one reason only - to finally play Sin & Punishment.
I'm saying that playing a game with three friends next to you (Goldeneye) is more fun than playing a game with a bunch of people you don't know who are usually using wall hacks or other cheats (most PC FPS games).Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
And I can play Legacy of Goku without even having to hook up a console or buy a TV. Doesn't mean it isn't crap.
Cool, I just think the console desereves more respect. It's widely regarded as a dissapointment (not just at TNL, everywhere), yet it's home to some of the best games of all time.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
Many here like the system, especially considering that among it's small library are some of the greatest games ever made. As far as I'm concerned, a few are the greatest games ever made.
This is just because you're Russian. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Despair
Well, PS2 Jaggies dont bother me as much as N64 Blurring, and awful controller.
I never was N64 fan. Even though I liked a few games on the system, like Zeldas, GE I never cared to get that system. Majority of the games didnt attract me, so I concetrated on PSX and Saturn instead.
Will the Russia jokes ever end?!
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Originally posted by Tracer
1)Strategy? But in comparison the N64 does very much pale. Especially to PSX and (oh man) The PC at that time (which most of those 'N64' games are from... and much shittier on the N). I would wager the Saturn had it better too... though I can't be sure.
2)I think the N64 sucked mostly. I think it's an injustice that the N64 had more legs in the USA than the Saturn. I don't think I'm blinded by the PSX... some it's games clearly looed worse than N64 counter-parts, but just because NFL2K3 looks better on Xbox doesn't mean Xbox has a better or at least more robust library than PS2. Anyway, Jet Moto WAS ass and it was a very early release in the PSX life span. Down the line games looked better in many reguards on Playstation.
3)Like Crash Team Racing which was (IMO) in every way superior to Mario Kart 64. Especially in graphics. Besides 20 of the same type of platformer the N64 had no leg up on PSX, Saturn or PC at all. It was by and large a worthless piece of shit and it deserved this thread. IMO.
4)To this day, retailers are clogged with N64 carts and systems that they'll never get rid of at any price. At this moment, at least 4,000 employees at various game stores are curseing the very existance of the N64 (am I not right 88Mph?). At this moment, more people are having fun with Yo-Yo's than there are people haveing fun with an N64 (besides the people breaking them for kicks).
5)I don't hate Nintendo. I don't hate Super Mario 64 (i'm not writing it love letters either) or the two Zelda's (those are fantastic) or Sin & Punishment or Silicon Valley. I think most people who've posted before me are right. There's like a handfull of nice games in an otherwise worthless library for a poorly designed system that takes up more space than anything that crappy has a right to.
6)And Goldeneye my left foot... sounds like no one had played a goddamned PC before the 64 came around. There were at least 10 first-person-shooters more worth playing (and still are) released before and a little after it. The Gamecube already has more fulfuilling titles for it than the 64 ever had and from the looks of it the system may even surpass Xbox in quality and otherwise worthy titles in the coming months.
7)The mental image I get of someone playing a N64 is of a stuttering lobotomy patient drooling on the functionless D-pad on the absurd thrid handle.
Of course that's harsh, and demeaning to everyone who does enjoy it but that's the idea that comes to mind. Take it or leave it, love it or hate it. I'm not out to prove anything, only to say that I really, really don't like the Nintendo 64 -- And do so throughly.
To be more clear - the last part was not directed at anyone in particular. The first was systematically addressing the opinions stated by the person I quoted.
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I like PS2 jaggies as much I as I like the N64.
1) There's no denying that the P.C. offered a better environment for strategy games, even the Saturn and PSX could'nt compete with that. Still, the N64 offered more variety, than many people claim it did.
2)Sure I consider the N64, the worst offering of the 3. I even consider the Saturn a better offering than the PSX, but that's my opinion. Nintendo just did a better job of marketing the N64, than Sega did the Saturn. I'm sure game's like Super Mario 64 and Waverace did'nt hurt initial impressions of the N64 either. Did it live up to the hype? No, it did not, but it did offer a great gaming platform, to those people who enjoyed Nintendo games of the past.
3) Never played Crash Bandicoot Racing. I thought Crash Bandicoot, was a poor attempt at a mascot. I played demoes of the original Crash Bandicoot and thought the game was a weak 3-d version of TAZ. I've never been a big fan of platformers, but I did enjoy SM64. I thought Crash Bandicoots graphics, showed a weekness in polygon processing power, in the PSX, over the N64's better SM64.
4) You could say that about the NES, SNES, Genesis and PSX. They have a ton of sports and bad games in general, that are sitting in the bargain bin. The N64 library of games sitting around, are'nt half as big as those of the PSX titles. I sure would'nt want a copy of Soul Reaver on the PSX.
5) The N64 had some great 2nd and 3rd party games. I loved Rogue Squadron and the expansion pack made the game a graphical godsend for this generation of console games. I thought Pilot Wings was a great game and offered something fun and different to an often me too, console offering. Madden 99 sure looked a lot better than the flat polygon Madden on the PSX. Beatle Adventure Racing was a pretty fun racing game as was F-Zero X. Blast Corps was a pretty cool strategy/puzzle game.
6) Sure the P.C. offers more FPS shooters and most of those probably are superior to those on the N64, but can any of the FPS's available on the PSX or Saturn, compare to Goldeneye, when it came to multiplayer play?
7) That's funny. I don't recall using the D-pad much with the N64, unless you played fighting games. I never owned my N64 for that, as the Saturn, was the superior console, for all fighting games. The analog stick, revolutionized the console gaming front. I found it funny, that Sony and Sega had to adapt, to take advantage of 3-d play with the analog stick, after they discovered how great the analog control of the N64 was.
DMC, VF4 (I swear! Don't listen to sidez), RR5 and moreorless ANY 3rd person action/adventure title (i.e. DMC) barring Ico... Extermination is a good example.Quote:
Originally posted by JMET
Since im new to the PS2 what games in particular?
The 2 I have DMC and J&D I dont notice them that much...
I havent played DMC that much however..
ºTracer
Gamevet: that's cool, though I consider PC to be as much a competitor as anything else.
Durden: It's like I said - besides excelling at 20 of the same type of game the N64 doesn't nothing better than any alternitive at the time and even before it IMO. Hence the n64 contempt.
You listed LANs as inconviences, and I said convience does not a good game make. As for cheating, you'll pretty much only find that sporadically in CS, I never encountered any while playing Q3 for years or during the time I played UT2k3 (admittedly fairly brief). Trust me, the only place online cheating has been rampant the last couple years is in the PSO console version.Quote:
Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
I'm saying that playing a game with three friends next to you (Goldeneye) is more fun than playing a game with a bunch of people you don't know who are usually using wall hacks or other cheats (most PC FPS games).
not reallyQuote:
Originally posted by Tracer
To this day, retailers are clogged with N64 carts and systems that they'll never get rid of at any price. At this moment, at least 4,000 employees at various game stores are curseing the very existance of the N64 (am I not right 88Mph?). At this moment, more people are having fun with Yo-Yo's than there are people haveing fun with an N64 (besides the people breaking them for kicks).
most employees i talk to more cant stand the large amounts of shitty PSX games that just dont sell
we have maybe 100 or so used N64 titles
on PSX we must have 500 or more used titles (not games but individual titles) and most of them are 4.99 or less that no one gives 2 shits about and do nothing but take up space in the store
maybe its just t his area but most the game stores you go in here dont have very large used N64 sections while the used PSX is just overflowing with 4.99 titles that are ntohing but crap and garbage with very few gems hidden here or there
I was saying that you rarely get to sit next to the person you're playing in a PC FPS without setting up some kind of LAN party (I've never even heard of anyone doing that, although most of my friends are casual gamers). I like to see the person I'm playing. About PC games- I played Counterstrike for a couple months and I saw a lot of cheaters. I haven't played Q3 extensively, and I haven't touched UT2K3 yet (I need a new PC!).Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
You listed LANs as inconviences, and I said convience does not a good game make. As for cheating, you'll pretty much only find that sporadically in CS, I never encountered any while playing Q3 for years or during the time I played UT2k3 (admittedly fairly brief). Trust me, the only place online cheating has been rampant the last couple years is in the PSO console version.
theyre pretty common in this areaQuote:
Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
I was saying that you rarely get to sit next to the person you're playing in a PC FPS without setting up some kind of LAN party (I've never even heard of anyone doing that, although most of my friends are casual gamers).
i remember back when i was in college i would see things on the boards all over campus at least a few times a month advertising different lan parties for different games
never went to any but my one room mate and i always thought about going
we just played Half Life online together hunting people instead
Same here, I saw plenty of them and got into a crapload of matches where I got shot by people through two buildings. A couple of roomies were big into CS and back when they doing tourney ladders they ended getting beaten by a bunch of wall-hackers. The idiots left videos of them wall-hacking others on their homepage in a normally non-public directory, which was found by said roomies. The ladder owner was unable to toss them out with that evidence because my friends had to hack the website to do so.Quote:
About PC games- I played Counterstrike for a couple months and I saw a lot of cheaters.
I said sporadically because I've heard of people (on this board even) who state they rarely see cheating when they play. It's not what I've encountered in practice, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.