Soon comes the day we all shall be free,
even you and even me.
Soon comes the day we all shall die,
surely you but never I....
and soon comes the day Book 10 is released.
By the Light I shall have it!
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Soon comes the day we all shall be free,
even you and even me.
Soon comes the day we all shall die,
surely you but never I....
and soon comes the day Book 10 is released.
By the Light I shall have it!
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the wheel of time?
Nope, the wheel of fortune.
I so almost gave up on that series. Book 9 was pretty good, though, so, I guess I'll check out book 10. I've spent so much time reading all the other books, that I pretty much just have to read any new ones now on principle...
Book 8 nearly murdered the series.Quote:
Originally posted by Apokryphos
I so almost gave up on that series. Book 9 was pretty good, though, so, I guess I'll check out book 10. I've spent so much time reading all the other books, that I pretty much just have to read any new ones now on principle...
But yeah, it's like a drug. Ashame too, because 1 - 6 was soo completely awesome.
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Yep, I noticed that the 10th book comes out tomorrow. I'm sure I'll grab it immediately.
I was (foolishly) under the impression that the series was only going to be 10 volumes, and wondered how the illustrious Mr. Jordan was going to wrap up the 10 billion looses threads in just one more slow-ass volume.
Surprise! He won't!! Instead, he'll wrap up it over God knows how many more slow-ass volumes! (Anyone know when he's going to bring an end to the torture?)
I wasn't thrilled to learn that the multiple plot lines will go through more meandering in the 10th book, but at least we'll get to read (hopefully) a lot more about Mat Cauthon's escapades. He's the only character I even give a damn about at this point, other than Lan, and a few side characters. It's sad that even a cool character like wolfbrother Perrin (who's side quest was simply awesome in book 4 or 5) is stuck in such a boring, slow-paced plotline.
Oh well, another 650-pager should keep me occupied for a while, if nothing else.
Heh, I know how you feel. I didn't like that much initially, but now, Mat's one of the few characters that interest me. I find most of the women (except maybe Min) intolerable, and even Rand is wearing thin on me.
A similar series, that has a similar pitfall, is the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind (the two series are so similar in some ways that I often get them confused waiting for the next respective volume to come out)...anyway, the pitfall is the eventually over-poweredness of the main characters...it seems to happen in these really long series...but after a while, heroes are all so strong, magically powerful, smart, or whatever, that their exploits are no longer interesting. It's like a rpg where your characters have gone way ahead of the enemies and bosses.
For instance, the Forsaken used to be something to fear, and were some of my favorite characters, but now that they're mostly just bitches compared to the heros, the story has lost of lot of its edge or suspense.
So is it out yet?
I agree 100% Apokryphos. I still hold out hope 1 - 6 was great, 7 was mediocre, 8 was just a bad book period but 9 was good. Perchance 10 will be better - I just cracked it open and am reading the prolouge. I might just stop for a bit and go ahead and re-read the series before chargeing ahead. I'll be a long long time till book 11 sees the presses methinks.
It's becomeing the neverending story for fucks sake... I may not live to see it end :P
I am not a fan of these books at all. All the characters feel the same to me, and I really hate everyone's personality, especially the majority of the women. I think I gave up after books seven. :/ Neverending story indeed.
i agree with the comments on the female characters - they get annoying and the whole (seemingly) 'womens power' feel to their characters puts me off at times. hell most times. Moiraine was the only cool female character.
Rand I've totally lost interest in - he's a jerk and a boring character (looky here at mister all powerful...yippee) - and I find mat to be the coolest character in the book overall - as does everyone else I'm sure.
Anyway going to crack it open right now - so here I go.
Is it fantasy?
Yup, it's epic fantasy of the worst possible kind. It never ends.
heh - admittedly Robert Jordan could cut alot of stuff out - most of which I'd say all of book 8 and some of book 7 .... another one of jordan's weak points is his tendency to have tons and tons and tons of minor characters enter the story with names that are quite hard to remember (and place a imagined face to) when reading. He should've taken a page from Tolkien and learned to only include the names of ppl when absolutely neccessary - not just throw them around like sunday football.
TOO MANY CHARACTERS!!! :angry:
Tolkien and Martin are both far superior to Jordan... but I am stangely drawn to the WoT world.
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Wait...the whole 'women power' thing never ends in his books? It's one thing for a female role to be cool and independent (like Min or Moraine), but the whole 'men are idiots/fools/et al' characterization is a pain.
Rand was a really 'heroic' type in the first book. More and more he's turning into this guy who's being so cold and analytical about everything and nothing.
I'm only on Fires of Heaven or something like that...
You're coming near the best part of the series. Yes, hero, what you're saying is everyones complaint with the books. Robert Jordan doesn't know women at all... and it shows terribly in his writing. It wouldn't be so obvious if he just didn't write about them so much... SO MUCH!!
Heh...if you've read any of Jordan's Conan books, you may think differenlty. Even though his Conan books are just about the male-equivalent to women's romance novels ('cept his are all violence and buxom wenches), Jordan at least knows what guys like about women.
It seems like he may be overcompensating in WoT series; I don't think even women would find his female characters particularly likeable.
I'm sure most women would not identify with any of the female characters in the book actually...Jordan is just that far off the mark. Hero, you are coming at some of the best parts in the series and it'll be sweet once you get to it but to be honest the whole women's power thing never really stops. And I agree its not very agreeable to read a series where men are insulted on every other page and treated like a lesser species... sometimes I think that Jordan is really a woman in disguise (awful disguise yeah).
Rand only gets worse and worse throughout books 7-begginning half of 9...but the end of book 9 gives me hope for book 10 in that Rand might turn out better than I'd thought. Book 8 I beleive has a long ass section focusing on just the women's problems... fucking 200 pages I believe... it makes you sigh for relief when they finally talk about something else.
Ok- have just read the prolouge of book 10 - again he goes on with the lots of characters (not like I was expecting his style to suddenly change, but its difficult to adjust to after having just read the lord of the rings trilogy) - the prolouge goes on for 80 pages! WTF... just call it a chapter then!
Looks like I will be heading to Waldens on my lunch break to get this for my wife. I couldn't take it past book 7, it just got boring.
Oh, I must add that the Terry Goodkind "Sword of Truth" books are some of the worst books I have ever read. I wish I had a dime for every time he uses the same damn metaphors OVER & OVER. You are bound to read the words "raptor's gaze" & "his cloak seemed to move with a life of its own" about 95 times per book. The plots are the equivalent of a bad action movie, one implausible coincidence after another.
Give me Tolkien or George R.R, Martin any day for regular fantasy.
Tracer, Have you ever read the Books of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe? They are honesly the best Fantasy I have ever read. You will not be dissapointed.
JM
We discussed Wolfe's various books/series in a thread from 6 months ago or so, remember? Anyway, I can safely second JM's nod to Gene Wolfe. Heady stuff.Quote:
Originally posted by JM
Tracer, Have you ever read the Books of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe? They are honesly the best Fantasy I have ever read. You will not be dissapointed.
Started Book 10 of WoT last night. Meandering plot line, here I come...
Besided the character Moiranne I have met no woman (well... my mom has read some of it... she quit when I let slip that Moiranne dies) who does like them.Quote:
Originally posted by Apokryphos
Heh...if you've read any of Jordan's Conan books, you may think differenlty. Even though his Conan books are just about the male-equivalent to women's romance novels ('cept his are all violence and buxom wenches), Jordan at least knows what guys like about women.
It seems like he may be overcompensating in WoT series; I don't think even women would find his female characters particularly likeable.
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I will check out the Books of The New Sun. Thx for the recommendation. I'm going to need something to tide me over till my new LOTR books arrive and the new G.R.R. Martin (ha!) book comes out. I don't like the name "A Song of Fire & Ice."
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ugh... i can't stand fantasy books...
reading about swords, magic etc. just doesn't appeal to me for some reason
... and yet i love it in movies and games
kinda strange, i guess
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Originally posted by JM
Looks like I will be heading to Waldens on my lunch break to get this for my wife. I couldn't take it past book 7, it just got boring.
Oh, I must add that the Terry Goodkind "Sword of Truth" books are some of the worst books I have ever read. I wish I had a dime for every time he uses the same damn metaphors OVER & OVER. You are bound to read the words "raptor's gaze" & "his cloak seemed to move with a life of its own" about 95 times per book. The plots are the equivalent of a bad action movie, one implausible coincidence after another.
Give me Tolkien or George R.R, Martin any day for regular fantasy.
Tracer, Have you ever read the Books of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe? They are honesly the best Fantasy I have ever read. You will not be dissapointed.
JM
Heh. I'm glad to see that someone thinks that way about Terry Goodkind besides me. I don't at all understand why so many people admire him.
George RR Martin= my favorite fantasy author of all time.
Books of the New Sun? What are the individual titles?
Oh, does anyone know anything about Robin Hobb? I'm thinking about picking up a couple of her books, but I'm not too sure about her.
Orginally appearing in 4 volumes:Quote:
Originally posted by taloony
Books of the New Sun? What are the individual titles?
1. Shadow of the Torturer
2. Claw of the Concilliator
3. Sword of the Lictor
4. Citadel of the Autarch
These have since been combined into 2 volumes which can easily be found.
They were followed by the 5th volume coda:
5. The Urth of the New Sun
The saga continued in the ultra-weird "Long Sun" series (another 4 books, I believe...it's been a while since I've read them).
OMG!!1 I'm exactly the same way, except for the fact that I can't stand it in movies or games.Quote:
Originally posted by FirstBlood
ugh... i can't stand fantasy books...
reading about swords, magic etc. just doesn't appeal to me for some reason
... and yet i love it in movies and games
kinda strange, i guess
I enjoy the Lord of the Rings books/movies though.
And Conan right? .....RIGHT?!
Man he better say Conan.