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Have a read at this.
The bill is being based on a St. Louis ordinance.
I'll say it again... let the parents theirselves do the enforcing if they wish to keep violent games out of the hands of minors. Not the government.
If the government is going to do this, why don't they intervene with regard to TV programming? You'll see worse stuff on the tube.
Politicians Against Actual Parenting, anyone?
This has always been a staple of the Democratic party. Responsibility is never left to the individual. It is always societies fault and can only be fixed with the help of bigger and more expensive social programs.Quote:
Originally posted by gameoverDude
Politicians Against Actual Parenting, anyone?
Yeah, and the Democratic Party is the party with the Jerry Falwell contingent that has a fucking heart attack every time a dick enters a vagina anywhere in this country.
Think before you post.
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Anyway, this bill is unconstitutionally overbroad. Congress could regulate the few titles that have true obscenity, but mere violence isn't obscenity.
That said, cash-grabbing retailers need to start enforcing ESRB guidelines, and if that means another BMX XXX doesn't hit the streets, count your blessings.
Anything that gets retailers to enforce the ratings is a good move in my book.
And that has what to do with censorship?Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Yeah, and the Democratic Party is the party with the Jerry Falwell contingent that has a fucking heart attack every time a dick enters a vagina anywhere in this country.
Think before you post.
Apparently Yoshi's never heard of Sam Brownback, nor did he see the post-Columbine Senate hearings in 1999.
Amen.Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
This has always been a staple of the Democratic party. Responsibility is never left to the individual. It is always societies fault and can only be fixed with the help of bigger and more expensive social programs.
Amen.Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
This has always been a staple of the Democratic party. Responsibility is never left to the individual. It is always societies fault and can only be fixed with the help of bigger and more expensive social programs.
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Originally posted by Yoshi
And that has what to do with censorship?
Think before you post.
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Protect Children from Videogame Violence & Sex Act
Megadittoes!
Thanks...Rush. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by sleeveboy
Megadittoes!
:lol:Quote:
Originally posted by sleeveboy
Megadittoes!
I guess I'm too late to add another "Amen."Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
This has always been a staple of the Democratic party. Responsibility is never left to the individual. It is always societies fault and can only be fixed with the help of bigger and more expensive social programs.
Well, I did anyway.
How can anyone say that telling people how to live their lives is a staple of the democratic party?
I swear, if I hear another conservative tell me what my family values should be and how the "left" is the cause for all the bad in this country. I'll puke.
Every category has their funny little radical group. I mean, sure, I know most of us righties have a more traditional view of morals and society, but nobody should be telling anybody how to live unless it's illegal in some way.
Amen!Quote:
Originally posted by ChaoofNee
Every category has their funny little radical group. I mean, sure, I know most of us righties have a more traditional view of morals and society, but nobody should be telling anybody how to live unless it's illegal in some way.
Amen!Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Amen!
Heh. Sorry. I just had to...
And a ha-cha-cha!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Gongos
hey nonnie nonnie
Hmmm...I know "boom shakka-lakka" isn't my own...but methinks you ripped me off, as I've been the only one known to say that around here. ;)
ditto.Quote:
Originally posted by ChaoofNee
I guess I'm too late to add another "Amen."
Well, I did anyway.
KotDT = Best. Comic. Ever. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Gongos
only if you wrote those weird espn themed commercials that were on tv a few years ago, the rest of the stuff was from "dork towers" and "knights of the dinner table":D
you are on a roll, Chao.Quote:
Originally posted by ChaoofNee
Every category has their funny little radical group. I mean, sure, I know most of us righties have a more traditional view of morals and society, but nobody should be telling anybody how to live unless it's illegal in some way.
Another way to reflect the radical group...the left has Marxists and Socialists, but I'm not gonna assume EVERY Democrat/Liberal/whatever is that extreme.
As for the Democrat Party or Platform or however you call it...the big thing they seem to play for is the victicrat mindset. You can do whatever you want, and no, you're not responsible for any bad actions. The only reason anyone does anything wrong is because someone somewhere screwed that person up in their past. Unemployment of the individual isn't because the individual isn't a good worker, or is lazy, or anything like that. Heavens no - its because employers discriminate, and are greedy, and need to be torn from their ivory towers. Or something.
I really don't understand it - I was always taught that you stick to your guns and you can get through anything and go anywhere. That and employers will always hire a good worker if they have a position open. But the kind of 'victim' mindset allows for self-oppression. A person can't likely improve themself or their bearing in life if they think its someone else's fault for their position. So who's to swoop and save them, the ever-insignificant number in the grand scheme of things? Well, something larger than one, for sure. So in comes the government, to safeguard the victim and keep the 'little guy' happy.
Follow that, and you have why Yoshi pointed out that - it really has nothing to do with morals or conservative values (well, it could, but...). What's at issue here are parents who are 'overwhelmed' by the pressures of raising a child. One or two parents can't possibly do it alone, up against a world that hurls corruptable media at their youth? So they need someone to save them - in comes the government. Why, you ask?
Let's say Timmy goes and kills 20 people. Timmy also plays GTA3 compulsively. Now, is it the fault of the parents, who didn't see the problem before it manifested, or did the game make him do it? Well, of course it's the game - I mean, parents can't possibly be expected of watching their children - and ALL THE TIME? Heck no, they need that helping hand.
At least, that's the view from Cali. I'm sure there's just as many conservatives who pitch a fit and demand censorship, but on a more 'moral' ground, whatever that is. However, the core of what it is (or is supposed to be) to be on the right is to take personal responsibility over anything else. That means good or bad, you need to be able to do without a Big Brother. Now is it just me or is the left the other way, saying that a larger government is essential, because no one could possibly make due on their own in this crazy mixed-up world?
Meh, paragraphs of ranting and I still can't make up my mind...
I was just noticing how the Democrats pushed the Homeland Security Act through Congress.
Fucking communist pigs.
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Originally posted by Hero
I'm sure there's just as many conservatives who pitch a fit and demand censorship, but on a more 'moral' ground, whatever that is. However, the core of what it is (or is supposed to be) to be on the right is to take personal responsibility over anything else. That means good or bad, you need to be able to do without a Big Brother. Now is it just me or is the left the other way, saying that a larger government is essential, because no one could possibly make due on their own in this crazy mixed-up world?
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Originally posted by sleeveboy (Edited especially for Hero)
Apparently Yoshi and Hero have never heard of Sam Brownback, nor did they see the post-Columbine Senate hearings in 1999.
This whole thing would be a lot easier if I just bludgeoned them for a while with something large and heavy. Like a cinder block, maybe with a car battery tied to it.
And then just let me make the desicion. We all know I'd make the proper choice, right?
politicians suck.
For the most part, I'll bet there were a few polititions behind the scene attempting to do this. It seems they won't stop until they succeeded in turning our country into one giant brady-bunch community, then I should ask god do us the favor of sending in the apocolypse early.Quote:
Directly targeting gaming companies, you see, would be a fool's mission for politicians. The St. Louis ruling notwithstanding, any government effort to dictate what developers put into a game would be a blatant violation of the First Amendment. Putting the onus on retailers is safer legally, but raises some issues of its own.
I'm at least thankful we can still buy games for young adults. Just as long as they don't get the idea to pass on a law that's simular to showing porn to a minor (a law like this would be "un-american!!")
I am over 18.
I dont work in a game store anymore.
So, basically, I dont give a fuck if this bill becomes a law or not. It does not matter to me, nor does it affect me, in the slightest.
Amen to growing old enough to tie your shoes and wipe your ass without parental supervision.
Im sure all the non-teeny boppers here at TNL will agree with me.
I've noticed that ratings for games of violence is far more lenient than ratings for sex or nudity than it is for the movie industry.
It's ok to kill and maim a bunch of people in the most violent manner but to see a pair of titties is far far worse. Oh no!! God forbid they see a pair of titties rather than go on a rampage and run over 1000 people and gun down an entire population. :D
Stuff that would be pg for movies, is treated like an R rating for games, all because of the misconception that gaming is a kiddy thing and game machines are toys. If the parents need to protect thier children the videogame industry needs to educate them better on what games are suitable for little kids or the parents have to find out what their kids are doing. In the future games are going to get more and more violent and contain more adult themes (gamers are aging now, there will be more people in thier 30s playing then before) so it's only going to get worse when all the parents start blaming (sueing) the industry (which makes lots of These: $$$) for thier kids doing silly things that have nothing to do with games. Plus the media will benefit from this since they need a story and are usually very uninformed about gaming themselves. (seen as anti-social activity. Face it we are all mysterious hermits with violent tendancies obsessed with our killing simulators and never go out in public)
I'll expand on your irony.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
I was just noticing how the Democrats pushed the Homeland Security Act through Congress.
Fucking communist pigs.
The Homeland Security Act is like something out of Stalin-era Russia, and it was drafted, and heavily supported, by conservatives. Of course, if those 87 Democrats who voted yes had any balls, it wouldn't have passed. In their own stupid, weak way, the Democrats pushed it through Congress along with the Republicans. Spineless cunts.
It has nothing to do with telling someone what your family values should be. That's the whole point. The Jackass party wants to run your family for you. How is that not telling you what is right and wrong?Quote:
Originally posted by Melf
How can anyone say that telling people how to live their lives is a staple of the democratic party?
I swear, if I hear another conservative tell me what my family values should be and how the "left" is the cause for all the bad in this country. I'll puke.
You speak the truth, dx.Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
I am over 18.
I dont work in a game store anymore.
So, basically, I dont give a fuck if this bill becomes a law or not. It does not matter to me, nor does it affect me, in the slightest.
Amen to growing old enough to tie your shoes and wipe your ass without parental supervision.
Im sure all the non-teeny boppers here at TNL will agree with me.
Good point. How many of those complaining are over 18? That bill would only enforce government regulations which are already supposed to be in effect. Furthermore, it'd be less likely to curb a game developer's creativity than this, for example.Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
I am over 18.
I dont work in a game store anymore.
So, basically, I dont give a fuck if this bill becomes a law or not. It does not matter to me, nor does it affect me, in the slightest.
Amen to growing old enough to tie your shoes and wipe your ass without parental supervision.
Im sure all the non-teeny boppers here at TNL will agree with me.
Sorry, diff, I do care, and so should you.
There are no governmental regulations in effect regarding mature games sales - ESRB ratings are industry-dictated. Nor are movie ratings government regulations. Once the government gets involved and makes mature game sales a crime, major retailers are simply not going to sell them (rather than take precautions and risk liability). Without a market, these games simply will not be made.
The retailers have already been in this situation, and they tried to enforce the rules. Doesn't help matters a bit if you have parents who are in too much of hurry to listen to the store policy on these types of games, too oblivious to read the ratings, and too unconcerned about the material they are purchasing for their children. If they want to raise the issue of neglect with the retailers, then they should also consider the role the parents play. Even if there are people who will be quick to point out that this ain't always the case, it happens and probably more than most would think.
The retailers could cover their own asses by making certain that their cameras were able to record the transactions; equip the cameras with audio so that they can actually hear what's being said. Most companies record over the phone transactions, why not do the same in-store? At least you know whether or not your people adhere to the guidelines.
And I thought you guys were quoting Groucho Marx...Quote:
Originally posted by Gongos
only if you wrote those weird espn themed commercials that were on tv a few years ago, the rest of the stuff was from "dork towers" and "knights of the dinner table":D
Hey:
Jerry Falwell is a conservative Christian leader whose political beliefs are anything but Democratic. He is fiercely against abortion and hates gay people. These ideals are not part of the Democratic agenda, as anyone without thier head crammed up their ass is well aware of.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Yeah, and the Democratic Party is the party with the Jerry Falwell contingent that has a fucking heart attack every time a dick enters a vagina anywhere in this country.
Think before you post.
Joe Liebermann is a Democrat, and he has always been a proponent of violent video game laws. However, the right wing is full of people who support said proposed laws; have a look at most mainstream news media and you'll see what I mean.
No good can come of being a dittohead.
-Technosphile
And the lack a "M" rated games will likely cripple the industry in the US. Nintendo would survive no doubt but companies that rely on the older gamers, mostly X-Box, will be left struggling.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Sorry, diff, I do care, and so should you.
There are no governmental regulations in effect regarding mature games sales - ESRB ratings are industry-dictated. Nor are movie ratings government regulations. Once the government gets involved and makes mature game sales a crime, major retailers are simply not going to sell them (rather than take precautions and risk liability). Without a market, these games simply will not be made.
Then again retailers would just go back to checking I.D's, when selling "M' rated material, because they realise it's a huge market.
This makes no sense. There is no law about R rated movies. Its all in the store that sells the video tapes/tickets. I believe only Porn has a law tacked to it. It really has to with the parents. You can take your underage kid to an R rated movie if you want to, but he can't get in on his own, unless trickery is involved. I don't see why video games should be any different.
That's entirely unrealistic. Why would a store go through all that trouble when it could just not stock the title and get the benefits of waving around the family values flag?Quote:
Originally posted by Fizban
The retailers have already been in this situation, and they tried to enforce the rules. Doesn't help matters a bit if you have parents who are in too much of hurry to listen to the store policy on these types of games, too oblivious to read the ratings, and too unconcerned about the material they are purchasing for their children. If they want to raise the issue of neglect with the retailers, then they should also consider the role the parents play. Even if there are people who will be quick to point out that this ain't always the case, it happens and probably more than most would think.
The retailers could cover their own asses by making certain that their cameras were able to record the transactions; equip the cameras with audio so that they can actually hear what's being said. Most companies record over the phone transactions, why not do the same in-store? At least you know whether or not your people adhere to the guidelines.
Retailer need to do a better job...but the government has no business getting involved.
I can't tell if you're realizing my sarcasm. I'm well aware that Democrats often support gaming censorship, and I do not approve when they do. However, the Republicans are notorious for attempting to legislate morality, which is a driving force behind any censorship bill.Quote:
Originally posted by Technosphile
Jerry Falwell is a conservative Christian leader whose political beliefs are anything but Democratic. He is fiercely against abortion and hates gay people. These ideals are not part of the Democratic agenda, as anyone without thier head crammed up their ass is well aware of.
Joe Liebermann is a Democrat, and he has always been a proponent of violent video game laws. However, the right wing is full of people who support said proposed laws; have a look at most mainstream news media and you'll see what I mean.
No good can come of being a dittohead.
-Technosphile
I'm not applauding Democrats for their involvement in this. I'm simply calling out the pot-calling-the-kettle-black Republicans in our midst.
Liberal or Conservative. Republican or Democrat. This statement, right here, is what it's all about.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Retailer need to do a better job...but the government has no business getting involved.
I commend you, Burgundy. Even if you are a baby-killing, Communist flag waving, no-moral-having son of a bitch. ;)
(That last bit was a joke! .....HA!)
Just as you do not endorse when your party motions a certain way, doesn't mean we support those same actions from our party (or, me anyway. I can't rightly speak for Yoshi or Hero). Certain things are just wrong. No matter what party it comes from. :DQuote:
Originally posted by burgundy
I'm not applauding Democrats for their involvement in this. I'm simply calling out the pot-calling-the-kettle-black Republicans in our midst.
I'm no pot in this scenerio. Just as I believe you're no kettle.
Hey:
Perhaps I've become too dependent on smileys accompanying sarcasm around here. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
I can't tell if you're realizing my sarcasm. I'm well aware that Democrats often support gaming censorship, and I do not approve when they do. However, the Republicans are notorious for attempting to legislate morality, which is a driving force behind any censorship bill.
I'm not applauding Democrats for their involvement in this. I'm simply calling out the pot-calling-the-kettle-black Republicans in our midst.
-Technosphile
Parents are, for the most part, just as idiotic. I hate it when you hear of dumbasses complaining their copy of GTA 3 is violent. Not clueing into the title of the game itself. It's ridiculous.
On the other hand, I'm all for this. Simply put, if you're not of age you shouldn't be worried about it or doing it. That's how it is. I believe that kids slowly lose innocence, and over exposure to content that they shouldn't see is bad for upbringing.
Who decides what is to much? I think the government is taking some responsibility for this now and I don't see a problem with it, really.
If you're not doing anything wrongful then it shouldn't effect you at all.
Republicans have no problems with killing babies if they're not white, i.e. arabs. And like I pointed out, The Patriot Act is like something that Stalin would have throught of. So I'd say that, right now, Republicans are the real baby-killers and communists.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Liberal or Conservative. Republican or Democrat. This statement, right here, is what it's all about.
I commend you, Burgundy. Even if you are a baby-killing, Communist flag waving, no-moral-having son of a bitch. ;)
(That last bit was a joke! .....HA!)
I hate both parties by the way.
hahahaha...yay. Very 'yay'Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
I am over 18.
I dont work in a game store anymore.
So, basically, I dont give a fuck if this bill becomes a law or not. It does not matter to me, nor does it affect me, in the slightest.
Amen to growing old enough to tie your shoes and wipe your ass without parental supervision.
Im sure all the non-teeny boppers here at TNL will agree with me.
You're allowed to hate both parties, so long as you realize that simply because I agree with more of the Republican points than the Democrats doesn't mean I agree with everything they do or say.Quote:
Originally posted by Mfkzt
Republicans have no problems with killing babies if they're not white, i.e. arabs. And like I pointed out, The Patriot Act is like something that Stalin would have throught of. So I'd say that, right now, Republicans are the real baby-killers and communists.
I hate both parties by the way.
Republicans, in general, have the uncanny nack for making me embarassed to be among them.
Ironically...I'm a Regestered Democrat. :p
same thing, Veg. The Libertarian slogan these days seems to be, "we're everything the Repulicans ought to be."
It's things like this that make me glad I'm Canadian and don't have to put up with that kinda trash.