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Why would they go and do a fool thing like that?!
Because EA is pure evil.
God I hate EA. Seriously.
Honestly, I have to say good. I hate Westwood, C&C is overrated crap. This is the first victory for true fans of the stratgey genre in a long time. There I said it C&C is CRAP. Really I hate those games, click faster then opponent, WIN!!!. There's almost no real strategy involved. Maybe I'm coming off as a jerk here, but I would be happy if there never was another Command and Conquer.
I wish EA would close down itself. :p
C&C is most certainly not the only thing Westwood ever did.Quote:
Originally posted by lordsnarf
Honestly, I have to say good. I hate Westwood, C&C is overrated crap. This is the first victory for true fans of the stratgey genre in a long time. There I said it C&C is CRAP. Really I hate those games, click faster then opponent, WIN!!!. There's almost no real strategy involved. Maybe I'm coming off as a jerk here, but I would be happy if there never was another Command and Conquer.
Because Westwood's recent track record has just been spotless...
I give them credit for the past, but what have they done recently? Not that I follow them greatly, but I don't remember any of their recent games garnering much praise.
I never said it was, and I will admit that I do not know any other games they were ressponsible for.Quote:
C&C is most certainly not the only thing Westwood ever did.
Westwood hasn't been anything great since EA bought them a while back.
You will be missed, along with Origin.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters...914165,00.htmlQuote:
Originally posted by piku
I give them credit for the past, but what have they done recently? Not that I follow them greatly, but I don't remember any of their recent games garnering much praise.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters...430834,00.html
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters...540059,00.html
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters...913801,00.html
While I still think they've been great, EA has definitely deteriorated their quality. Tiberiun Sun was EA's fault almost entirely.Quote:
Originally posted by GohanX
Westwood hasn't been anything great since EA bought them a while back.
What? Poor Westwood. Say what you want but I liked C&C games. Sure they werent as good as Blizzard ones, but we still had good times playing G&G and Red Alert.
Maxis will be next if the Sims cash cow ever cools down.Quote:
Originally posted by GohanX
You will be missed, along with Origin.
No you don't. EA is healthy to the gaming community. It helps the financial aspect (market) of the industry soar and without them we'd be years behind where we are today (companies losing money on consoles, better hardware, better software, bigger budgets = more fun for the most part. Unless we're talking Acclaim, naturally.)Quote:
Originally posted by sggg
I wish EA would close down itself. :p
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FUCK MAN! I love Red Alert. It's my favorite RTS series. I love Warcraft but the computer difficulty in multiplayer sucks ass. THey're so hard unless you have something like trees surrounding your base.
Sad day for me. What about C&C Generals?!?!?!
EDIT: Upon actually reading the article it doesn't sound too bad. Jobs in the videogame markets aren't overly hard to find and most of the layed off will probably make it over to the Los Angelos studios (they're hiring on 300 more devs! That's outstanding!)
Yes I do.Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
No you don't.
You just have to not play the game man... it's not always about just your tastes and likes.Quote:
Originally posted by lordsnarf
Honestly, I have to say good. I hate Westwood, C&C is overrated crap. This is the first victory for true fans of the stratgey genre in a long time. There I said it C&C is CRAP. Really I hate those games, click faster then opponent, WIN!!!. There's almost no real strategy involved. Maybe I'm coming off as a jerk here, but I would be happy if there never was another Command and Conquer.
The writing was on the wall for long time about this. I remember Fatbabies predicting this something like a year ago. EA buys up developers, guts them, controls them, and throws them away when there's nothing left. Bullfrog, Origin, and now Westwood. If the Sims weren't so hugely popular, Maxis would already be showing signs of doom.
As long as they continue to screw up games I might like, produce games that I don't like at all, and kill developers I once liked, EA aren't good to me. I don't give a damn about the 'industry.'
So you want a crippling setback to the videogame sector in business? That's interesting.Quote:
Originally posted by sggg
Yes I do.
I don't agree with your conclusion, so no, while I do wish EA would shut itself down I do not wish it for a "crippling setback".Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
So you want a crippling setback to the videogame sector in business? That's interesting.
What it would be is "poetic justice". :)
Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
The writing was on the wall for long time about this. I remember Fatbabies predicting this something like a year ago. EA buys up developers, guts them, controls them, and throws them away when there's nothing left. Bullfrog, Origin, and now Westwood. If the Sims weren't so hugely popular, Maxis would already be showing signs of doom.
As long as they continue to screw up games I might like, produce games that I don't like at all, and kill developers I once liked, EA aren't good to me.
Fair enough. I will point out to you that you do host over 100 posts on a videogame related message board.Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
I don't give a damn about the 'industry.'
Ok. You don't agree, that's fine. But what do you think would happen to trading rates if the largest contributer to the video game market shut down leaving less than half its revenue left over.Quote:
Originally posted by sggg
I don't agree with your conclusion, so no, while I do wish EA would shut itself down I do not wish it for a "crippling setback".
What it would be is "poetic justice". :)
I understand WHY you want them to shut down from a logical standpoint: they faulter quality, right? But them shutting down wouldn't be a good thing, overall, to gamers.
"So you want a crippling setback to the videogame sector in business? That's interesting."
What about the flipside? Millions of people would get off their lazy asses and actually play sports games in REAL LIFE. :eek:
The video game industry goes forward relentlessly, if EA were not here, Activision, or Sega, or THQ, or Infogrames (etc) would have become the EA of today. Though, probably doing so with better games.
I think Infogrames would be the biggest candidate. But I don't think they have the business guns or savy to pully off what EA has accomplished. The market is still open for lots of lost licenses and such and nobody capitalized on them or knows about them.Quote:
Originally posted by Andy
The video game industry goes forward relentlessly, if EA were not here, Activision, or Sega, or THQ, or Infogrames would have become the EA of today. Though, probably doing so with better games.
Yep. But I'm thinking strictly from a videogame fanatic perspective here.Quote:
Originally posted by Damian79
"So you want a crippling setback to the videogame sector in business? That's interesting."
What about the flipside? Millions of people would get off their lazy asses and actually play sports games in REAL LIFE. :eek:
And every post has been entirely selfish. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
Fair enough. I will point out to you that you do host over 100 posts on a videogame related message board.
My interest in the industry begins and ends with the production of games which I enjoy. EA hasn't done much of that for me.
Sure it would. The largest contributer of crap would be shut down. Yes, EA makes the occasional decent game.. but by in large they puclish shitworks. So, it would be a positive trend. Games would still be able to find other publishers. Plenty of others are there to pick up the slack. Do you think hockey fans would stop playing hockey games if "NHL 20XX" disappeared - for example? Of course not. They'd find something else... and probably be quite surprised to find something astonishingly better, no less. That's a positive.Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
Ok. You don't agree, that's fine. But what do you think would happen to trading rates if the largest contributer to the video game market shut down leaving less than half its revenue left over.
I understand WHY you want them to shut down from a logical standpoint: they faulter quality, right? But them shutting down wouldn't be a good thing, overall, to gamers.
I can't see how EA shutting down would be a bad thing at all. It would not stop any games I actually want to own from getting into my hands. :)
That's a great attitude to have Ammadeau! I endore this post and I think more people should look at things this way. Just enjoy what you enjoy... :)Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
And every post has been entirely selfish. :)
My interest in the industry begins and ends with the production of games which I enjoy. EA hasn't done much of that for me.
Alright. I will stop playing devils advocate as I see it's stirring up a pot I don't care indulge in further. ;) You selfish bastards you.Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
And every post has been entirely selfish. :)
My interest in the industry begins and ends with the production of games which I enjoy. EA hasn't done much of that for me.
Just pointing out how the large fish further the production of the smaller one. (developers especially, which tend to make those whacked out games we all enjoy)
Bullfrog was one of my favorite developers. They made Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper, Octane and several others. EA killed them.
Origin was another of my favorites, known mostly for their Ultima and Wing Commander series. EA killed them.
Now I was never into C&C or any other Westwood RTS, but I have a friend who loved every single RTS they put out, especially that Dune one. EA killed them.
Who is this helping exactly?
Good to see Dungeon Keeper getting it's due! I also loved Magic Carpet, another of Bullfrog's excellent series.
EA can suck my Jewish wang.
Without EA surviving the market, how would a developer even get stock or money from publishers who wouldn't have large budgets to publish such risque titles? (Like Rez, for example) So there would be no developers to crush.
It is, however, a double edged sword as EA does seem to buy up quite alot of them. Although their franchises and developers usually always migrate back into the company or into another, with their creativity you enjoy still being in the market. Influencing.
If you think EA's existence somehow contributes to games like Rez being created then I think you're off your coconut. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Andrew
Without EA surviving the market, how would a developer even get stock or money from publishers who wouldn't have large budgets to publish such risque titles? (Like Rez, for example) So there would be no developers to crush.
It is, however, a double edged sword as EA does seem to buy up quite alot of them. Although their franchises and developers usually always migrate back into the company or into another, with their creativity you enjoy still being in the market. Influencing.
Now, I'll go back to hoping EA falls on that double-edged sword. :)
"Without EA surviving the market, how would a developer even get stock or money from publishers who wouldn't have large budgets to publish such risque titles? (Like Rez, for example) So there would be no developers to crush."
Nintendo, Sony, MS?
i wasn't aware of that. for a time, i absolutely adored bullfrog, then they sort of stopped making good games. i thought it was because molyneux left. you're saying ea had something to do with it?Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
Bullfrog was one of my favorite developers. They made Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper, Octane and several others. EA killed them.
You're wrong. Plain and simple.Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
Without EA surviving the market, how would a developer even get stock or money from publishers who wouldn't have large budgets to publish such risque titles? (Like Rez, for example) So there would be no developers to crush.
You're acting like the gaming industry lives and breathes because EA says it can.
If EA decided to opt-out, or even if they had to terminate due to financial hardship, I garauntee the industry would remain unchanged as a whole.
I believe Dungeon Keeper 2 was the last game they made before being despanded by EA, which was some time aftr Molyneux left. They still made good games, but they just didn't make good profits. They were quietly put out to pasture, basically.Quote:
Originally posted by epmode
i wasn't aware of that. for a time, i absolutely adored bullfrog, then they sort of stopped making good games. i thought it was because molyneux left. you're saying ea had something to do with it?
When has EA ever supported a niche game?
Give me a single instance.
If there is ever another videogame crash, I guarantee that EA will be the specific cause. All it takes is two years in a row of mainstreamers realizing EA sports games aren't worth buying year after year after year (this will eventually happen) and they'll up and leave, taking a ton of trickle-down revenue with them.Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
So you want a crippling setback to the videogame sector in business? That's interesting.
EA makes a few good games, but that doesn't half make up for the shit they pull. EA is fucking evil.
Well, I'm sad to see Westwood die, since they have provided me with some fun games. As for EA, they, as a whole, suck ass. Their games rarely undergo any noticeable changes and their complacencty is slowly corroding their dominance.
Hmmm...
Apparently EA is trying to get 2 billion in funding and look towards acquiring one of 2 companies: Sega or Vivendi.
They are going after Blizzard (sub-Vivendi), I would speculate.
Holy fucking hell, if EA buys Sega, hell will freeze over.
If Sega is purchased by EA I'm giving up gaming. Seriously.:(
...although I doubt they would want to buy Sega....its not like they make all that much money....
Well, buying Sega, I could see for EA.
They effectivly kill the distant 2nd in sports games, and instantly rule the market (moreso than now).
Profit wise, I think either buy out is a good idea for EA.
From a business standpoint, EA buying out Sega is great. As you said, they kill of their primary sports game competition, and get a chance to bleed Sega's classic franchises dry. Anyone else see Sonic in a Madden game coming down the line if that happened?
Well, yeah. He sold out Bullfrog to EA, then left like a year later to found Lionhead.Quote:
Originally posted by epmode
i wasn't aware of that. for a time, i absolutely adored bullfrog, then they sort of stopped making good games. i thought it was because molyneux left. you're saying ea had something to do with it?
Same thing happened to Westwood: when they were bought, many of the original developers cashed out. They didn't have much going for them anyways--that Kyrandia RPG series was mediocre, and Nox was a passable Diablo clone.
I simply can't see EA buying Sega. They don't make tonnes of crap. They're not cheap and lazy. They don't make "popular games". They don't make much money..... and if someone was going to buy them you have to think MS or Nintendo would have done so already.
They're already killing them in sales so what's the point? They're too arrogant to feel threatened by Sega Sports, especially after this past year....Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
From a business standpoint, EA buying out Sega is great. As you said, they kill of their primary sports game competition
Maybe if they now how shite their sports games are and how lucky they are they should just buy VC and have them start developing EA Sports games...
You would die if EA bought Sega, wouldn't you sggg?
The point is, why have any competition that you don't need? EA could buy them, fire half the staff, and acquire the liscences they like or desire. They could cut Sega down to nothing, and use that to gain a market presence in Japan, which I'm sure they would want.Quote:
Originally posted by sggg
They're already killing them in sales so what's the point? They're too arrogant to feel threatened by Sega Sports, especially after this past year....
Maybe if they now how shite their sports games are and how lucky they are they should just buy VC and have them start developing EA Sports games...
I think they would rather get Blizzard and Vivendi, though.
I know you are blinded by hate on this one, but, this is a theory, understand?
No. Far from it. I'd be well ticked off, to be sure.. but it would not be the end of the world just like Dreamcast's death wasn't. Sega is -by far- my favourite developer.. but even if EA bought them I can't see the likes of EA forcing Sonic Team to screw up Sonic, for example. Well, maybe they would... and if so I don't think I'd be the only one in mourning.Quote:
Originally posted by mattvanstone
You would die if EA bought Sega, wouldn't you sggg?
Also, I don't play many sports games. It would suck to lose the NHL2K series.. but that's it for me (I have not even bought NHL2K2 yet anyway). They'd have to buy Konami to ruin the only other sport I love - football (since Konami makes Winning 11). ;)
Well then, there you go! You clearly don't know much! :)Quote:
Originally posted by mattvanstone
I know you are blinded by hate on this one, but, this is a theory, understand?
I didn't say anything to disrespect your "theory" either. I just disagreed and posted my own thoughts. I think that if Sega were to be acquired I'd place my bets on someone else doing the acquiring.
EA does have more than sports games, such as Need For Speed, Medal of Honor, as well as a few single title hits, like The Two Towers.
I could see EA wanting to become Big In Japan (go Alphaville), by using Sega.
Konami does not make near the amount of sports games that sell in the US, as Sega does.
The only people that think Sega can compete w/ EA is Sega.
It would only make sense if EA wanted to get their franchise rights; and maybe to publish their games in Japan. Especially now that the Square/EA deal is going to run out.
Yes, but those are first party publishers. EA is the largest third party, and as such, gives gamers some choice in picking their platform.Quote:
Originally posted by Damian79
Nintendo, Sony, MS?
Sure, EA gone a very different direction from its roots, but it's successful because they run it like a business, not a charity.
I do wish though, that they would setup an indie division, like Miramax is to Disney, that has full discretion to publish less populist, unproven games.
Origin, Bullforg, Westwood and how many others? Maxis had better not fuck up.
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I am well aware of that. But you addressed me personally... and that is how it would directly effect me. If Sega Sports ceased to exist the only game I would personally care about losing would be the NHL2K one and I didn't even buy this year's edition.Quote:
Originally posted by mattvanstone
EA does have more than sports games, such as Need For Speed, Medal of Honor, as well as a few single title hits, like The Two Towers.
I could see EA wanting to become Big In Japan (go Alphaville), by using Sega.
Konami does not make near the amount of sports games that sell in the US, as Sega does.
I will be buying Winning 11's NA debut though. So, that pretty much speaks for itself. :)
So, if EA buys Sega, you won't buy EA-Sega games or something? Or just the hockey thing.
Origin, Bullforg, Westwood and how many others? Maxis had better not fuck up.
I spoke to Sidez in breif about this: I would MUCH rather see Ed Fries get his hands on Vivendi than EA. EA has released blockbusters under thier name, but the makers of those and thier divisions were spurned for whatever reason. Molyneux's distaste for publishers and traditional software business because of his work with EA at Bullfrog. I think Microsoft would make a good suitor for Vivendi. That would give them good ground on PC, Mac and Xbox and if desired, Palm PC. 3 large platforms aint bad.
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The Kyrandia series was excellent! :p
If the Sega part of "EA-Sega" still put out the same quality product I am accustomed to I'd certainly continue buying the games. Like I said in my reply to Ammadeau's post way back in the beginning of the thread - all I really care about is the games. :)Quote:
Originally posted by mattvanstone
So, if EA buys Sega, you won't buy EA-Sega games or something? Or just the hockey thing.
If "EA-Sega" ever came to pass I'd also hope they'd use Treyarch/VC to make their hockey game instead of whoever the hell makes the junk they make now.
Edit: Or even better yet - I'd hope that Black Box stopped developing NHL Hitz and went back to making more a sim style hockey game. They're the best hockey game developers out there (based on their work on the old Powerplay/All-Star/Fox series and the original NHL2K). I actually hope this happens regardless of what happens because I am confident they could make a hockey game better than EA or Sega. :)
Plus the crapp-o ESPN/Sega thing would not be an issue then either. :p
Are you talking about Warcraft 3?Quote:
Originally posted by lordsnarf
...click faster then opponent, WIN!!!.
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If EA bought sega I bet they would change the name to something creative like, EA-West, or EA-Japan.
I always wondered why there was a DK3 movie on the DK2 disk and there was never a game.Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
I believe Dungeon Keeper 2 was the last game they made before being despanded by EA...
Black & White!Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
When has EA ever supported a niche game?
Give me a single instance.
Which is a Lionhead game. Irony much?Quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Sparkle
Well, yeah. He sold out Bullfrog to EA, then left like a year later to found Lionhead.
Of course, Pete didn't have to sell out, now did he? It's not like he's blameless for all of this.Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
I believe Dungeon Keeper 2 was the last game they made before being despanded by EA, which was some time aftr Molyneux left. They still made good games, but they just didn't make good profits. They were quietly put out to pasture, basically.
They supported the various Jane's titles for 5-6 years, releasing such gems like Longbow 1/2, 688i, F-15, and F/A-18.Quote:
When has EA ever supported a niche game?
Give me a single instance.
American McGee's Alice. As hyped as it was, it's still niche.Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
When has EA ever supported a niche game?
Give me a single instance.
EA is the worst company in the industry. The only decent games they released this year were NFP:HP2 and LOTR. This years MOH was pretty awful.
First they fux0r up the Ultima series, now this...
And we will see no further releases in this series from EA, thanks to its being axed. *sigh*Quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Sparkle
They supported the various Jane's titles for 5-6 years, releasing such gems like Longbow 1/2, 688i, F-15, and F/A-18.
No! Not Westwood. Now I have no idea where I can get my FMV fix. (Although it looked like they were trying to finally move away from FMV with C&C Generals)
I really liked the campy humor of Red Alert 2. I was really hoping for a sequel, but now it looks like it will never happen. :(
No, EA at least can put out a good game on occassion.Quote:
Originally posted by xS
EA is the worst company in the industry. The only decent games they released this year were NFP:HP2 and LOTR. This years MOH was pretty awful.
First they fux0r up the Ultima series, now this...
Acclaim, on the other hand...
Acclaim put out Aggressive Inline, which is better than a year's worth of EA releases, especially considering half their releases are minor Sims add-ons.
And Acclaim doesn't flood the market w/ as much fodder. Sure, they put out their share of garbage, but its no where near the volume of EA.
EA is the fucking devil. Everytime I buy a PC game with their name on it I cringe.
Heh, this reminds me of when I bought the original Sims what seems like so long ago. I saw EA was publishing it and almost put it back down, but in the end decided to buy it anyway. Still unsure if I made the right choice, but the Sims were fun for a little while at least.Quote:
Originally posted by GameCynic
And Acclaim doesn't flood the market w/ as much fodder. Sure, they put out their share of garbage, but its no where near the volume of EA.
EA is the fucking devil. Everytime I buy a PC game with their name on it I cringe.