Gaming as an art form

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Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
Nicely put, but I don't agree. I think you just like hard games. Gaming can only be art when it's sufficiently challenging on intellectual, physical, and emotional levels? If you're going by that definition, then certain sports can be considered art. Storming Normandy can be considered art. I do agree that people making games should focus on gameplay (although I think great gameplay can be blended with a great story), I think they should focus on it to simply make their games fun. Art can come later.

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The creation of the gameplay of certain sports IS art - I'd put the creation of baseball up there in the firmament with a fairly small circle of other top human achievements...the only problem being that most sports have been designed by committee and thus aren't really the expression of one person, which I think is pretty important. The need for a single creative force/an auteur to produce art is arguable, though.

I don't think video games have to be artistic to be fun...I just think that if a game is artistic, then its art is going to be its gameplay.

I'll respond to other entries in this thread a bit later.

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Originally posted by sggg
Games are art. They have always been art. Games are a creative expression. That's all you need to know. Anything and everything can be or is art.

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I am in total agreement. Many games have their own art-style. I think I would say that games are art-work in motion. Paintings you simply look at and admire. Games you interact with. Games are an expression of pure artistic joy. Where image, music , and interaction are all brought together. We are on course for a complete explosion in the art world, along with the mainstream media, ready or not. We will be the ones that will remember the good old days and try to keep the heritage alive. I personally cannot wait! It will happen.

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Originally posted by Satsuki
Gaming as art?



Jet.Grind.Radio.

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Definitely ! It is such a great example!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I disagree. Art involves an inate or trained-up skill, and the term "creative expression," I find is widely over-used.

I can put a vacuum cleaner in a plexi-glass box and paint the box with blue stripes and call it art. Does that make it art? No. Certainly not. Reguardless of what the "artist" is trying to comunicate, art is NOT something anyone else can do. Art comes from ones own soul, and as such, is impossible to duplicate. Therefore, any form of expression wherein exact duplication is a possability, isn't art.

Games are not art. Science? Sure. Math? You betcha! But art? Not even a little.

Art is used in the game creation process, but as a whole, finished project, games are not art.[QUOTE/]

I should remind you that ALL people view "what art is" differently. I am personally a fan of Andy Warhol(I live close to his gallery) and Andy proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that anything and everything can be and is art. He turned car crash photos into art. Campbell soup cans into art, punching bags with a picture of Jesus on it into art. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and I am not going to down you for it at all, but I digress! You are short-changing our hobby/love. Gaming provides us experiences that cannot be duplicated in many cases! That , to me , is ART!!

This is an old thread of mine that sunk rather quickly after being moved to gaming discussion. I think it's a good question though, and would like to watch some more opinions form, thus I'm bumping it for another round.

*looks at a picture on his wall*

*stares at desktop*

*twiddles thumbs*

*returns to playing games*

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Originally posted by Morpheus
This is an old thread of mine that sunk rather quickly after being moved to gaming discussion. I think it's a good question though, and would like to watch some more opinions form, thus I'm bumping it for another round.

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It is a good question for sure! I just think that a lot of people don't necessarily see the art side of our hobbie, and that is a shame

Games are art. Some are more "high class" than others, but games are an artform.

The act of playing games aint a art. The act of making games involves art but isnt in itself an artform, eh, games arent art.

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Originally posted by burgundy
Can games be art? Sure.

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Nicely put. Games can be art, but this doesn't hold universally.

It's already there. Time Magazine recently wrote a favorable statement toward Vice City that encapsulated this very thread: the mag said the game 'bordered on something else: art.'

I'd wager large amounts of money that in the years to come, our generation (once come of age) will look on Miyamoto and the Houser brothers as the new brilliant artists of our age.

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Originally posted by snagger
I'd wager large amounts of money that in the years to come, our generation (once come of age) will look on Miyamoto and the Houser brothers as the new brilliant artists of our age.

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I don't. Because what they do isn't art. It's math, at best.