Anti War Protesters showing their brains...

Here we go again, my earlier post:

Tell me how are my claims bulshit when I link to right wing Israeli media where the newspaper itself is talking about those incidents as not only isolated but as actually tolerated by israeli police and army, and confirmation that these are not one of events but things that have been going on for years.
How can you say my claims are bulshit when Israeli media itself admits it happens constantly and that the brutality of settlers who are living on land stolen from Palestines is endles and institutionalised.
How can you say my claims are bulshit when I actually ask you guys yourself to go and check out the stories from the region to better inform yourselfs, thats right I actually ask you to go find and read stories yourself so that you can make youre own oppinion as to what goes on there instead of judging by a snapshot posteed by me.
Im not asking you to believe me unconditionaly, im not attacking you as a person, no im challenging you to check things out yourself and be better informed, yet when I do that im the one who is talking bulshit?

Again, I gave snippets go and check for yourself, as for the quotes they do NOT come from antisemetic websites(then again, you guys called me antisemtic becouse I dared to simply ask if a guy called Wein wrote the book since im familiar with his works), search around, these things jump up at the most unlikely places(like the articles about widespread Palestinian abuse by settlers for instance wich I linked earlier and wich comes from a zionist newspaper)

Stone seems to be handling this wackjob quite well. Almaci enters my ignore list, for being an annoying, ignorant, close-minded troll.

And no Almaci, Im not gonna argue with you, because you use broken-up sentences, imflammatory remarks, long-winded and silly editorials you pass off as facts, and other shady strategies to try to prove your viewpoints

In the original thread you posted in, you said that Bush and Powell did this and that, and I asked you for a source, you posted an editorial in which the guy states all these things like they used CG without any sources, and when I told you its an editorial, you said something akin to "OF COURSE IT IS DUMMY IM JUST TRYING TO GET SOME POINTS ACROSS WITH SOME INTERESTING FACTS". Which of course, they weren't. And after that I realized I would have more success talking to the walls in my room.

I've not read one of your posts all the way through since the first thread you started posting, because you, sir, are being driven mad by your political views, and your close-minded attitude towards others and their sources (all of which are at the very least as reputable as yours).

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Originally posted by Almaci
How can you say my claims are bulshit when Israeli media itself admits it happens constantly...

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How have you proven that? Proven constant anything? In this thread, you've provided links to two articles, neither of which now seems to work.

Plus, yeah, there are elements in the Israeli media that love to make up trash about how oppressive the Israeli government is, just like there are lots of Jews willing to say nasty, stupid things about Israel. Why?

Because people in Israel are free to believe dumb shit. In many other countries in the Middle East, the choice seems to be made for them.

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How can you say my claims are bulshit when I actually ask you guys yourself to go and check out the stories from the region to better inform yourselfs, thats right I actually ask you to go find and read stories yourself so that you can make youre own oppinion as to what goes on there instead of judging by a snapshot posteed by me.

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Jimmy Carter, Hero, DiffusionX, JMET, Lhadatt, Briscobold, me, we've done that. We've gone out, we have checked out stories from the region, we've learned about Israeli history - and that's why we know that the stuff you're posting is shit, why spacecowboy's post was deeply stupid and mildly offensive, and so on.

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These things jump up at the most unlikely places(like the articles about widespread Palestinian abuse by settlers for instance wich I linked earlier and wich comes from a zionist newspaper)

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You're now equivocating made-up paragraphs of racist spew attributed to respected world leaders with ONE (1, uno, een, un) article you've found that details a few settlers acting stupidly. Keep trying.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Stone seems to be handling this wackjob quite well. Almaci enters my ignore list, for being an annoying, ignorant, close-minded troll.

And no Almaci, Im not gonna argue with you, because you use broken-up sentences, imflammatory remarks, long-winded and silly editorials you pass off as facts, and other shady strategies to try to prove your viewpoints

In the original thread you posted in, you said that Bush and Powell did this and that, and I asked you for a source, you posted an editorial in which the guy states all these things like they used CG without any sources, and when I told you its an editorial, you said something akin to "OF COURSE IT IS DUMMY IM JUST TRYING TO GET SOME POINTS ACROSS WITH SOME INTERESTING FACTS". Which of course, they weren't. And after that I realized I would have more success talking to the walls in my room.

I've not read one of your posts all the way through since the first thread you started posting, because you, sir, are being driven mad by your political views, and your close-minded attitude towards others and their sources (all of which are at the very least as reputable as yours).

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Ah yes, youre using a proven tactic, stick youre head in the sand and denounce EVERYTHING I stated and claim I didnt bring forward any credible links(not to mention quoting out of context) while simultanously admiting you havent even read the things I wrote, youre brilliant man, youre really brilliant.

Evidence is like wood and cement. You use the wood and cement to make the frame for a good house, or in this case, an argument. If your wood and cement are faulty (not mixed right, eaten by bugs), then your building will fall apart. If a building or an argument can fall apart because of faulty ingredients than it's not worthwhile.

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Originally posted by Stone
How have you proven that? Proven constant anything? In this thread, you've provided links to two articles, neither of which now seems to work.

Plus, yeah, there are elements in the Israeli media that love to make up trash about how oppressive the Israeli government is, just like there are lots of Jews willing to say nasty, stupid things about Israel. Why?

Because people in Israel are free to believe dumb shit. In many other countries in the Middle East, the choice seems to be made for them.



Jimmy Carter, Hero, DiffusionX, JMET, Lhadatt, me, we've done that. We've gone out, we have checked out stories from the region, we've learned about Israeli history - and that's why we know that the stuff you're posting is shit, why spacecowboy's post was deeply stupid and mildly offensive, and so on.



You're now equivocating made-up paragraphs of racist spew attributed to respected world leaders with ONE (1, uno, een, un) article you've found that details a few settlers acting stupidly. Keep trying.

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Ah IC, when the media most supportive of the settlers is reporting on it you decide to marginalise it by claimingthere are lotsa Israeli´s who write bad things about Israel becouse they can.
Completely disregarding all the other sources and media where such things can be independantly verified, meanwhile the terorisation of several million people is justified becouse some people crack under it and become stupid/desperate enough to believe they will earn eternal heaven by blowing themselves up(much like with Christians Muslims belief that suicide is a one way ticket to hell)

Tell me how many articles do you want from sources all around the world about the treatment of non Jewish israeli inhabitants and Palestines in the teritories?
ill provide.

And again apart from saying WE KNOW youre not providing anything, where are YOURE credible links to youre claims, where are YOURE sources etcetera.
You continue doing what you and others(one of em got so scared that he decided to just put me on ignore while simultanously admiting he never even read trough al my posts)have done, sideline the things I say and continue in trying to denounce my credibility, after all why should you even consider the points someone makes who doesnt have credibility right?
Instead of dealing with a lot of the points I brought forward you continue to try to weasel yourself out of it and denounce everything I say by trying to paint me of as a crackpot.
If thats what you want to believe, be my guest, think deep inside tough and look at these threads and look at the overwhelming amount of sense I tried to make and links I provided and then look at youre own side and the rhetoric spouted and acusations made, simply in vane efforts to nullify the points I bring forward.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, ivy league or not, youve been schooled by a working class dimwit and you seem to be unable to cope with it.

Where does your education, if any, come from?

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Will probably be posted by Almaci
NY Times the Guardiann yo those sites are all part of the Jewish money US Bush family war for oil Cuban Republican colonialist racist oppressor media lobby!! the only way you can get really informed is by reading the souces like ive posted

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Was actually posted by Almaci
Ah IC, when the media most supportive of the settlers is reporting on it you decide to marginalise it by claimingthere are lotsa Israeli´s who write bad things about Israel becouse they can.

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Well, at least the spelling in your version was better than the spelling in my version.

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A mind is a terrible thing to waste, ivy league or not, youve been schooled by a working class dimwit and you seem to be unable to cope with it.

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Ahh, the strain is too great...I guess I just can't handle partaking in the enjoyments of this thread any longer. Believe whatever you want to believe.

Man you never cease to amaze me, here we go again.
Ridicule.
Ridicule the opponent to nulify any and al points he/she makes.
Youre very good at that, much better then at actualy debating a case brought before you.

You started calling me a tool of Arafat, you guys called me an anti semite, you have Jewish bussuinesfriends?
Good for you so do I, whenever im in NYc I try to go to as many Jewish deli´s as possible(hey I know the meat will be Kosher and as a Muslim thats important for me and becouse the food tastes so damn good) then you continue ridiculing me as a person and further the character assasination started in other threads while still not directly replying to all the points I made.
Oh and I have been in the region.

Its saddening to see so much hatred and opposition towards viewpoints that do not match youre owns.

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Originally posted by Almaci
Its saddening to see so much hatred and opposition towards viewpoints that do not match youre owns.

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They're just responding to the ridicule delivered against their own viewpoints...

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Originally posted by Almaci
Ah yes and attacks against Israeli intrests have got absolutely nothing to do with 5 decades of oppresion and collective punishment of the innocent.
I sugest you go to the other thread and read the articles from a left wing AND a right wing Israeli newspaper I pasted there and then come back and try to clame what you just did with a straight face.

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Oh, gee, nah, you weren't being totally condescending there, were you?

If you want a straight debate, perhaps you should play it straight yourself.