Everybody loves Vice City!

Check it, fool

This damn game has sold 8.5 million copies since late October. Pretty wild, huh?

While this is borderline flamebait, and I dont have the actual numbers to back this up, I dont think either Microsoft nor Nintendo have sold 8.5 million of the consoles they're peddling, worldwide. In fact, Im not even sure they sold that many Xboxes and GameCubes combined in the USA.

If that is not proof that Sony is slaughtering Microsoft and Nintendo, raping their wives, and eating their limbs for lunch, I dont know what is.

"and I run....I run so far away...."

Isn't it "ran?"

8.5 Mil worldwide. I think that's no more than 5 in the US alone.

Still a long ways to go before Mario is it's bitch.

Wow, Sony's winning the console war, never would have guessed.

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Originally posted by ShineAqua
Isn't it "ran?"

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um... I never heard it that way :confused:

If you mean Flock of Seagulls "I ran", then it is, "I ran".

oh ok, but it still sounds like "run" :p

They got my eighteen bucks. Love those EB trade-in deals.

I'm sure this will give Rockstar more incentive to release another rushed, glitchy game. :)

Wow, you mean the Mainstream public loves and consumes total shit?

Vice City 8.5 million copies.

Kangaroo Jack 62 million dollars.

The current #1 album is from a man who is on tape having sex with underage girls.

Signs of the Apocalypse +1

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Originally posted by Wildkat

The current #1 album is from a man who is on tape having sex with underage girls.

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Huh? Who?

r. kelly, i'd imagine.

Ah. I guess I am not, as the kids say, with it.

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Originally posted by Wildkat
Wow, you mean the Mainstream public loves and consumes total shit?

Vice City 8.5 million copies.

Kangaroo Jack 62 million dollars.

The current #1 album is from a man who is on tape having sex with underage girls.

Signs of the Apocalypse +1

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I would like to subscribe to your newsletter :lol:

Vice City is one of the best games on the market. I can't believe some of you guys lump it in with the mainstream junk in other entertainment.

I'd consider it junk due to the endless fucking glitches in it. No game should ever be released with as many bugs and shit. I'd expect better from a low-budget game, let along one of the most hyped games of the year.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
If that is not proof that Sony is slaughtering Microsoft and Nintendo, raping their wives, and eating their limbs for lunch, I dont know what is.

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classic DiffuX at his best

I like the game although it does have a few glitches but it is fun none the less, and never the less I wouldn't lump it in with all the other mainsteam entertainment around today, the other stuff is just crap.

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Originally posted by Wildkat
The current #1 album is from a man who is on tape having sex with underage girls.

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Underage girl... not girls.

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Originally posted by 88mph
Underage girl... not girls.

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....that we know of. If he fucked one little girl on tape, imagine how many more
there are we don't know about.

**Edited because I was being an ass.**

JM

I wish driving in VC was fun. :(

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Originally posted by diffusionx
While this is borderline flamebait, and I dont have the actual numbers to back this up, I dont think either Microsoft nor Nintendo have sold 8.5 million of the consoles they're peddling, worldwide. In fact, Im not even sure they sold that many Xboxes and GameCubes combined in the USA.

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Out of idle curiousity, did anyone ever say the GC or XBox was out-selling the PS2, or did you just feel like saying that for the hell of it? As long as we're on that tangent, FFX outsold Xenogears! Square has made itself its own bitch! :confused:

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I wish driving in VC was fun. :(Out of idle curiousity, did anyone ever say the GC or XBox was out-selling the PS2, or did you just feel like saying that for the hell of it? As long as we're on that tangent, FFX outsold Xenogears! Square has made itself its own bitch! :confused:

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I had a lot of fun doing tricks on the bikes like jumping cars. That said, VC isn't "teh best game evar".

I agree with you Mech--Do we really need Sony propaganda? Poland was Hitler's bitch too and you don't see me saying the "Third Reich OwNz!!!"

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Originally posted by MechDeus
I wish driving in VC was fun. :(Out of idle curiousity, did anyone ever say the GC or XBox was out-selling the PS2, or did you just feel like saying that for the hell of it? As long as we're on that tangent, FFX outsold Xenogears! Square has made itself its own bitch! :confused:

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Seriously. What kind of idiotic thread is this? Holy damn, Kraft has sold more cheese this month than Treasure has sold copies of Ikaruga! :confused:

Yeah, this is pretty stupid. Vice City is an excellent game which deserves to sell that many copies but Nintendo in particular is crying all the way to the bank.

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Originally posted by burgundy
Yeah, this is pretty stupid. Vice City is an excellent game which deserves to sell that many copies but Nintendo in particular is crying all the way to the bank.

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Ahhh...I must be one of the few who doesn't like VC, think it's revolutionary, brilliant, creative, gorgeous, or really that much fun.
They rehashed a 3D rehash of an old PC game...so what? The eighties setting *almost* won me over, but it's still a 3D GTA without the network multiplayer (the best part of the original GTA game).

It sold a eight million copies because a fifteen bajillion people own PS2s. I bet it sold more in California than in Alaska, too.

Horray.

Yeah, that was sorta troll-ish. Apologies.

#6

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
Vice City is one of the best games on the market. I can't believe some of you guys lump it in with the mainstream junk in other entertainment.

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if by one of the best games on the market you mean one of the most glitchy, bug ridden, ugly, stale, horrible, rushed, cash run, unimanigitive sequels ever to be released and shouldnt have sold more than 1,000 copies you would be correct

Vice City and GTA3 are shitty... especially the lame "open-endedness" of it.

So what if when you can't beat the golf cart mission you go and drop weapons off in the course and push all of the golf carts into the water? That's not non-linearity, that's cheating, jack-ass...

Everything in GTA = TOTALLY lackluster... but if you like lackluster, there's a WHOLE lot of it in the controls, storyline, and graphics

I will say that the soundtrack to Vice City was excellent... that wasn't lackluster

Come on John, you don't care about sales, remember?

VC is a good game, worth the money I paid for it.

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Originally posted by soundwave
Poland was Hitler's bitch too and you don't see me saying the "Third Reich OwNz!!!"

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:lol:

Well, they did own Poland for a spell, that's true.

IBL.

I really like VC, but it does NOT deserve the 3 10s EGM gave it. God, that pisses me OFF!! ARGH!!

Anyway, the fact that the vomit-inducing blur made it into the game as a default option makes it a 9.5 out of sheer incosiderateness (is that a real word, Sam?).

Vice City was one of the more enjoyable games of 2002. It had visual flaws, it had glitches, and it was essentially GTA3 in the 1980s, but so the fuck what? Do you buy games for their technical polish, or do you buy them because they are fun? I paid $50 for my PS2 VC, and in May I will pay $50 for the PC version to experience it all over again (hopefully with the bugs fixed). Revolutionary or not, there are not many better games out there.

I personally liked III over VC (I think it had something to do with the story and slight play-control quirks), but I can't deny that the game was good. I also can't deny that people found it enjoyable.

But, I can't deny that selling 8.5 million is the result of an agressive ad campaign. Not saying there's anything wrong with that. But people crying about how their fav game didn't sell well, should question the publisher of said neglected game's advertising campaign.

I think 3 had a lot more style that VC.

Maybe it's the look of the city, or the feel, or just the atmostphere, but I prefer that to VC's one.

I might get the PC VC, if it has the editing type stuff in it.

VC seemed more commercialized than III. That sounds like a super vague comment, but that's the best I can do. MVS was right: something about the feel of the game was different.

While I wouldn't go so far as to call Vice City a bad game, I will say that it never should have been released in such a glitchy and unfinished state. It certainly deserves to sell a lot of copies, but you can bet your ass that I'm going to think twice before shelling out another fifty dollars for the next GTA game.

Only after a few mintues of playing VC I knew there was no way in hell I was going to pay $50 for it. As many people have already stated there was just a certain feel to it I didnt like. VC is an ok game but if I had to chose between it and GTA:3, then I'd rather play 3. There were certain aspects of the game that were great, such as the soundtrack, blowing out tires, shooting through windshields, etc., but the game still did not feel right.

I've never owned a Grand Theft Auto game, period. Maybe when GTAIII hits $20, I'll purchase it, but the game sounds rather repetetive for my taste.

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if by one of the best games on the market you mean one of the most glitchy, bug ridden, ugly, stale, horrible, rushed, cash run, unimanigitive sequels ever to be released and shouldnt have sold more than 1,000 copies you would be correct

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You're just ranting now. If it was on GC you'd be all over it. Yes, the game has plenty of bugs but they don't impede enjoyment.

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Originally posted by FirstBlood
Vice City and GTA3 are shitty... especially the lame "open-endedness" of it.

So what if when you can't beat the golf cart mission you go and drop weapons off in the course and push all of the golf carts into the water? That's not non-linearity, that's cheating, jack-ass...

Everything in GTA = TOTALLY lackluster... but if you like lackluster, there's a WHOLE lot of it in the controls, storyline, and graphics

I will say that the soundtrack to Vice City was excellent... that wasn't lackluster

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Wow. If you don't want to cheat, the don't. There are plenty of hardcore ways to beat all the missions. The rest of your criticisms are totally vague and just come off as whining.

I'd say the memory card erasing impedes enjoyment a tad, but since 99% of the folks out there know how to avoid it, it's no biggie.

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I really like VC, but it does NOT deserve the 3 10s EGM gave it. God, that pisses me OFF!! ARGH!!

Anyway, the fact that the vomit-inducing blur made it into the game as a default option makes it a 9.5 out of sheer incosiderateness (is that a real word, Sam?).

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No, it didn't deserve 10s, but bitching about an option you can turn off is just really whiny.

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No, it didn't deserve 10s, but bitching about an option you can turn off is just really whiny.

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Hurm...this makes me wonder if all the people who complain about the "glitchiness" and say that VC doesn't "feel right" have simply neglected to turn off the TRAILS option. This makes a HUGE difference in the way the game looks and feels.

Why this was the default setting (and included anyway) still baffles me.

For me, the feel it just atmosphere, not visuals. I prefer the feel of Liberty City, and the surroundings, to Vice City.

I'm of opposite viewpoint there, MVS, I like the sunny setting of Vice City to Liberty City. I dug the violence being more of a contrast to the surroundings than having it seem like it was the norm, as was the case in Liberty City.

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You're just ranting now. If it was on GC you'd be all over it. Yes, the game has plenty of bugs but they don't impede enjoyment.

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being that i was a huge fan of GTA 1, 2, and London you are just talking out your ass there burg now stop with the flaimbait and move on

Seeing as how I never played(or therefore, owned)GTAIII, Vice City was my first experience with the GTA craze. At first I was put off by the game, but I delved deeper and found it to be enjoyable. The running was retarded, but the game is pretty good. The story is okay; Tommy has NO depth(from what I've played so far). He's just some thug out for money/revenge. I would've preferred a character like Turkish from Snatch to be in VC, but alas. Maybe I'll check out The Getaway for all my storyline/crime spreein' gaming thrills.

I actually never played Vice City, though I thought that GTA3 was quite keen. I plan on playing VC when it comes out, though, as I like the sound of many improvements they made to the game.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
I plan on playing VC when it comes out, though, as I like the sound of many improvements they made to the game.

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I think you're a few months too late with that comment. :p

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Originally posted by shinji
I think you're a few months too late with that comment. :p

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I do believe hes talking about the PC version

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I do believe hes talking about the PC version

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Yea, pretty much. Plus I hope that they will clean up the bugs and glitches that you guys always whined about in the PS2 rev.

Why anyone could not like the 3D GTAs is beyond me. Anyway, I share the "I prefer Liberty over Vice" sentement as well. I'm happy the game sold as well as it did, I just hope they don't dumb down the next installement like they did with Vice, it was a cake walk compared to part 3.

I think GTA is full of glitches but none of them are big enough to squander the fun of the whole package. The game is open ended in the way that you're free to explore, beat up and uncover the landscape. You can also do many missions not formulated with the original story such as cabbie riding, pizza delivery service, police chases, putting out fires, etc.

A game doesn't sell 8.5 million copies because it sucks; there's something driving the sales. The fact is that the game is executes quite well with a very good underground storyline, excellent music compilation and not-perfect but solid gameplay mechanics. If you don't like choice then you can make it linear by simply doing the missions.

I also love the fact that in Vice you could buy property and make some dough on the things. It's a nice addition.

While the game isn't going to be as tight controlled as a Mario Kart, ICO, or Zelda (nothing is as good as a Zelda, maybe a Mario platformer) it excells and comes together as a full package the way it needs to in order for the games concept to take full bloom -- reason for being popular.

You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it's not a good game.

p.s. I prefer Liberty as well, but it's simply because I played the thing so much upon release that when Vice hit I was drained on the title. I think this happened for alot of people.

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A game doesn't sell 8.5 million copies because it sucks

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Explain Myst.

Andrew, sales are the worst measuring stick for game quality out there. Many folks here are fans of games that sold poorly, now, by using the sales=game quality mindset, all of these games suck. Despite that not being the case, in theory.

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I know, that's why I had the smilie there. Guess the joke didn't go over so well....

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Why anyone could not like the 3D GTAs is beyond me.

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They are too hardCORE for it.

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I just hope they don't dumb down the next installement like they did with Vice, it was a cake walk compared to part 3.

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Is the new game going to take place in San Francisco or something? Anyways It would be nice if it gave us the ability to select our own difficulty level...and a new a aiming system would also be nice.:)

I don't know if all you fools sincerely hate the game or are just going with the flow. From my experience with GTA:VC didnt give me a better experience than I had with GTA3. Think the city design was better in the first one or something, VC just wasn't as fun for me when it came to screwin around.

As far as the sales go, going back to the original post in this thread. I think it's really nuts to hear how much this game has sold. This is like Nintendo proportions, interesting to hear nonetheless.

I'm not saying it's a bad game, and overall, the additions I really like.

It's like this:

GTA3: Better envoirnment, better soundtrack, Better weapons (better how you can have more than one type of weapon).

GTAVC: Better looking, Better vehicles, Better mini-games, Better missions, Better voice acting.

I just prefer 3, myself.

Then there are those who simply don't care for the theme of the game, the goals involved, or the character design, and avoided both of them all-together.

-and, having not played the games, I can't attest to their quality (I assume they're pretty good, given sales and reviews and all), but I can certainly generalize the type of customer who buys them from the store. Not that that's an indication of anything, of course :)

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Andrew, sales are the worst measuring stick for game quality out there. Many folks here are fans of games that sold poorly, now, by using the sales=game quality mindset, all of these games suck. Despite that not being the case, in theory.

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My point isn't that a good game automatically makes sales. But bad games don't, or rarely do (exceptions to every rule). Games that are poor get poor word of mouth, which is the best way for something to get recognized.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Explain Myst.

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That's your opinion. If a game sells that much then it doesn't suck. The developers did something right to make the game appealing. As a developer you have to learn what people like in games, even if it isn't what you personally do.

What is the objective? To make a really good game that sells like shit? Nope, it's to make a quality title that sells like gold.

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That's your opinion. If a game sells that much then it doesn't suck. The developers did something right to make the game appealing. As a developer you have to learn what people like in games, even if it isn't what you personally do.

What is the objective? To make a really good game that sells like shit? Nope, it's to make a quality title that sells like gold.

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Thats an odd thing to say...

I could actually explain the success of Myst, though. I just tried to prove a point.

Anyway, here is Myst's success in a nutshell:

01. Complete shite game was made. Have you ever played Myst? COMPLETE SHITE!
02. Had a lot of pretty graphics. Needed a CD-ROM drive to play it.
03. CD-ROMs are just starting to come with computers, and are starting to be sold.
04. People want to play a game that you cant get on floppy.
05. People buy Myst.
06. People tell their friends about Myst.
07. More people buy Myst.
08. Companies start to bundle their boxes with Myst, so in essence more people buy Myst.
09. People ported it to other consoles, which meant that it sold way more.

Before we know it, we have a zero-star/bottom-of-the-barrel/piece-of-shit-adventure-game-that-is-less-interactive-than-Zork/ crap game becoming the #1 seller ever. Thank God for The Sims.

Myst was, by absolutely no quantifier, a good game. It was all graphics, and zero gameplay. It rode completely on hype. I bet you would be hard-pressed to find an actual fan of Myst (outside of people who have never played anything else). It is the definition of suck. It is the essence of suck. If you manage to make a machine that sucks suck out of the air and puts it in a box, that box would actually be the PC version of Myst.

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I bet you would be hard-pressed to find an actual fan of Myst (outside of people who have never played anything else). It is the definition of suck. It is the essence of suck.

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I enjoyed Myst. I enjoyed Myst a lot. And I have played plenty of games in my time.

I played it with my father back when it came out, and had a lot of fun figuring out the puzzles with him.

Played and beat the sequel, Played and beat real Myst, or Myst 3D or whatever the fuck it was called. I haven't had a chance to play Myst 3 yet.

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Originally posted by 88mph
I enjoyed Myst. I enjoyed Myst a lot. And I have played plenty of games in my time.

I played it with my father back when it came out, and had a lot of fun figuring out the puzzles with him.

Played and beat the sequel, Played and beat real Myst, or Myst 3D or whatever the fuck it was called. I haven't had a chance to play Myst 3 yet.

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MY ENTIRE ARGUMENT HAS CRUMBLED!!!!!!1111

Did you ever play, like a Lucasarts adventure game with him?

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MY ENTIRE ARGUMENT HAS CRUMBLED!!!!!!1111

Did you ever play, like a Lucasarts adventure game with him?

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I don't know.

We played The old Space Quest and Kings Quest games, and also some Indiana Jones game on the Macintosh.

Some text game involving ghosts too, but that was on the IIGS.
That "GS" stands for graphics and sound mind you...

Poo on you non-Scottish people using shite! Poo, I say!

I am a descendent of William whats his name, that guy from Braveheart... am I allowed to use it?