My supergun

I can now die a happy man. After many months of patient waiting, I can proudly say I now own a supergun. Before I go any further, I must once again thank Matt who built the unit for me. He really did not plan on building any more when I first inquired, but he went through with it anyway. Awesome guy. I owe it all to him!

Ok. The supergun.

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgun2F.jpg

It really is an amazing little piece of harware. Everything in housed in an old diskette box... It's a fairly compact little machine. On the front you'll notice four controller ports. The left two all for 'normal' PCBs. The right four are for six button games. Read: Capcom fighers, primarily. Those two switches in the lower right control the speaker settings [mono/stereo] and position [on/off.]

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgun1.jpg

The more important stuff. Here we can see the coin buttons, service, test, tilt, and all that kind of stuff.

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgunRear.jpg

To the left you'll notice the cut-outs for the speaker. On the back is a vent for the fan and the RGB and audio outputs. I skipped composite in favor of saving a few dollars. Composite is ass, anyway.

The games:

The really important stuff. I've had Metal Slug 3 looimg over my shoulder for many months now, and thank the lord, I can finally play it within the privacy of my own home. Happy joy. You all know how I feel about this game by now.

Here it is in the MV-1C:
http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/MVSwMS.jpg

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgunms3.jpg

ESP Ra. De.

Cool stuff. This is the first time I've been able to play it, and it's great. Very fun patterns to navigate, a great atmosphere, and a very unqiue scoring system. This one is gonna take me a while to completely understand. Typical Cave goodness. I'm looking forward to spending much more quality time with this one.

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/esprade.jpg

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgunESP.jpg

I almost forgot. The pad. Just like Mode7's rig, this supergun comes equipped with a modified SS pad.

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgunpad.jpg

Ah yes, life is pretty good.

http://udel.edu/~bliloia/sgun/sgunrealdeal.jpg

That.. is the most bad-ass Super Gun I've ever seen.

Have fun.. and congrats.

Nice. And what might that flyer under the SS pad be? ;)

Nice pictures(and magazine/flyer), about the PCB's, do you store in some special maner or what? They can't be lying around the room just like that, the dust in my room would kill it fast that's for sure.

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Originally posted by cigsthecat
Nice. And what might that flyer under the SS pad be? ;)

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Oh nothing, nothing. Just an innocent arcade flyer...

J2d - It's good to keep them in anti-electrostatic bubblewrap when they aren't in use. I would imagine a lot of dust can do some damage, but a little bit won't do anything to harm the boards. A decent static shock could send a PCB to hell, however.

Where's that drool emoticon again? I'd love to get one of these, but my wife keeps mentioning things like "new car" and "house payment." Oh well.

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Originally posted by Wolffen
my wife keeps mentioning things like "new car" and "house payment." Oh well.

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Pfff, dump her.

Amazing. How much would I have to pay him to make one for me?

Superguns are laughably simple, all it takes to make one yourself is time and patience. Depending on how much extra shit you put in it (arcade controls vs pad, comp/s-vid vs rgb) the cost is very minimal. If you're like me, and you don't value your own cost of labour, you could put one of these together for like $20, with most of the cost going to the JAMMA harness.

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Originally posted by 680x0
Superguns are laughably simple, all it takes to make one yourself is time and patience.

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I have little of each, especially time.

Damn, that is the best use of a disk box is have ever seen! That's gotta' be the best looking Supergun around. :) Now, go get yourself a MAS stick.

I may have to build myself one though, as I'm not sure if Matt will make me one :(

*Master hopes Matt takes pity on him ;)*

Shit, maybe I should start selling these things, how much are you people willing to pay for one?

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Superguns are laughably simple, all it takes to make one yourself is time and patience. Depending on how much extra shit you put in it (arcade controls vs pad, comp/s-vid vs rgb) the cost is very minimal. If you're like me, and you don't value your own cost of labour, you could put one of these together for like $20, with most of the cost going to the JAMMA harness.

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Laughably simple? For who? I see a shit load of wires in that box. My knowledge of electronics is 0. I've got two Psikyo PCBs and I'm pretty anxious to play them, so if anyone's got some recommended reading material (Superguns For Dummies?)...

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I may have to build myself one though, as I'm not sure if Matt will make me one

*Master hopes Matt takes pity on him*

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Who knows. I asked him a few months ago and I got a pretty flat no.

My ESPrade board sits under my roommates bed, cheating death everyday, covered in layers of bubble wrap and resting in the package it came in. PCBs are frighteningly fragile.

* soundwave dies

Master - I wouldn't count on it. I'm still incredibly thankful that he even went through building this one.

Yea, everyone who can build them says they're cake, it seems... But like Rob said, it's a tad bit different when you haven't even touched a soldering iron before.

That thing is truly bold. I have seen many superguns and they all look ghetto compared to that one. Their ease of creation is probably what causes so many hobbyist builders to not make them look so nice. Matt is certainly more than skilled. Rather than ask for a unit like that, I have lifted the pictures from this very thread and will be using them for inspiration. Now if I could only lift some time from a thread somewhere...

Pa

Amazingly stylish. Props on the game choices, as well :)

http://www.happcontrols.com/ Is a good place for controller components, but they are all of the heavy, clicky american kind which some people don't like. Right now I am working on a track ball controller for my copy of Ultra Denryu Iraira Ball, which is like irritating maze/stick. The track ball on this thing is insane! 4.5 inches in diameter and translucent red, right now i'm trying to figure out how to back-light it. The original arcade machine had air-jets that would shoot you in the face when you touched the sides of the maze, if only I could figure out how to hook up an air compressor...

That has to be THE most badass supergun ever created.

That looks mad great- even cooler than a Sigma Raijin. Thanks C_S. :) Enjoy!

I must be the only one here that doesn't like it. Hey but at least it works right?

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Originally posted by JefmcC
I must be the only one here that doesn't like it. Hey but at least it works right?

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I don't like it either... superguns are for pussies. :)

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Originally posted by JefmcC
I must be the only one here that doesn't like it. Hey but at least it works right?

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May I ask why?

My supergun's made of oak!

I know nothing about this topic of discussion, but I know a nice piece of hardware when I see one, and that definitely fits the bill. A marvel of modern engineering!

Pretty damn slick. I prefer the metal casing on mine, but that's still an eye-catcher. Matt definitely has the midas touch.

oooo... thats damned nifty. how much did that set you back? (read: cost)

holly shit that looks so damn complicated... how on earth could I possibly make one of those for only twenty dollars? I just dont believe it's possible...

Please Matt, Post in this thread!

Hey, does anybody know where to get a good floppy disk storage box? All of the stores around here sell either tiny ones or none at all. I have to rip off this idea. It's just too cool of a case. :) Since I already have a Supergun, I want to make a portable Neo Geo MVS. Any chance one of the small MVS boards could fit in a box like that?

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Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
Hey, does anybody know where to get a good floppy disk storage box? All of the stores around here sell either tiny ones or none at all. I have to rip off this idea. It's just too cool of a case. :) Since I already have a Supergun, I want to make a portable Neo Geo MVS. Any chance one of the small MVS boards could fit in a box like that?

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If you make one stick a PS1 monitor on it (RGB on the go)

P.S. If you put a monitor on it you are officially the coolest person ever.

P.S. I want pictures. :)

That's awesome Click. Matt's a freakin' genius at this stuff and it's no surprise to me that he made a top quality set for you.

/me hugs his Matt-modded Genesis. :)

click, i'm in more envy of you than you can imagine..

you need to let us know how much this cost you.

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Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
Hey, does anybody know where to get a good floppy disk storage box?

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Try Staples or Office Max. If all else fails you can get them at a computer show. Personally, I don't like that design, or at least he could have burned the holes in with a hot knife instead of cutting it with a saw or whatever crude tool he used.

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Since I already have a Supergun, I want to make a portable Neo Geo MVS. Any chance one of the small MVS boards could fit in a box like that?

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Like the Neo Geo LT? That one's box was custom made and I don't think they make diskette boxes as big as an MVS board. Try looking in home depot or an art supply store for plastic tackle boxes. You can even search plastic enclosures, but that will cost you more.

I wanted to make the world's smallest SuperGun. I have all the parts for it but I have other fish to fry right now. Basically a very small plastic enclosure from Radio Shack attached to a power supply outfitted with Playstation AV port, 7.5V DC out, and Neo Geo joystick inputs. It was going to be attached to a PSOne LCD monitor. Maybe I'll make it one day. If I get Salamander 2 then I definitely will.:)

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Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
Hey, does anybody know where to get a good floppy disk storage box? All of the stores around here sell either tiny ones or none at all. I have to rip off this idea. It's just too cool of a case. :) Since I already have a Supergun, I want to make a portable Neo Geo MVS. Any chance one of the small MVS boards could fit in a box like that?

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I'm afraid the MV-1C would never fit... Definitely not with a game in it.

Get to work! I want to see this happen.

I love people and their sick technical skills.

johnk_ - Let's say... about a PS2 or so.

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Originally posted by 88mph
If you make one stick a PS1 monitor on it (RGB on the go)

P.S. If you put a monitor on it you are officially the coolest person ever.

P.S. I want pictures. :)

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Went and bought a PS1 monitor today. Official Sony. :) I don't know if I should crack it open and yoink the screen, or just work the whole assembly in there somehow. It feels like such a shame to kill the monitor 'cause it's so damn cool with the PS1.... I guess I have to find a broken PS so I can have a female end to the A\V connector. I've already got the MVS board, the Happ ultimate stick, and about 12 Happ buttons. Just need a case, power supply, and JAMMA harness.

Anyway, I want the monitor and stick right there on the case.

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Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
Went and bought a PS1 monitor today. Official Sony. :) I don't know if I should crack it open and yoink the screen, or just work the whole assembly in there somehow.

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Don't break it open, you will damage the case. Also, you don't need to search for an old PS1 to rip out the Female AV port, just buy the Guncon AV port extender at any GameStop.

I wouldn't put a joystick and the monitor in the same place, and I'd probably adapt some joystick interface like Neo Geo or a custom one.
Good luck with it.

BTW, Chibi, the way to send composite sync to the PSone LCD is to connect it to the S-Video Y pin on the AV which is pin 5, I believe.

History of my supergun:
Mk.1 MAS supergun + apple RGB monitor
Mk.2 MAS supergun + XRGB-1
Mk.3 homebrew supergun + Commodore 1942

I gotta say the 1942 looks great, and the best bit is its hooked to a switch box and I can use my Gamecube + (soon to have) VGA cable and have it switch flawlessly between interlaced and progressive scan games! much less flicker than playing it on my 19" trinitron <- XRGB and the small screen makes everything look really sharp. However multiplayer games kinda suck, but soon i'll have a multiscan monitor that supports interlaced natively....

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I've already got the MVS board, the Happ ultimate stick, and about 12 Happ buttons. Just need a case, power supply, and JAMMA harness.

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you shouldve gotten a competition or super stick. ultimates arent that great apparently (cant find the link i was lookin for, but someone compared those 3 and the ultimate was the flimsiest and worse feeling of the 3).

Thanks for the compliments! I'm glad it's turning out well :) It didn't turn out looking quite like I thought it would, but I like the way it ended up. Actually, it reminds me a lot of the final boss in Truxton (is this just me?).

And for those who don't like it - if you can make something better, please do (and be sure to post pics!). FYI, the "crude tool" I use most of the time is a Dremel. Hot knives are really messy, and I value my lungs too much to use them. Considering I don't have access to a machine shop, I think it's a pretty good job.

This is the last supergun I'm going to be making for quite a while. They're very time-consuming, and I don't have nearly enough free time to do it any more. Plus, it's a lot more difficult to get parts here than where I used to live, which adds up to a lot more headaches. Maybe in the summer I'll have time to crank out a couple more.

As a couple of people have mentioned, superguns are dead simple in concept. They're not hard to make - I'm not an electronics wizard by any means! I doubt you could make one for $20, unless most of the parts were free from a junk pile somewhere. But for not too much more than that, you could make something that looks like a bunch of wires and plays PCBs pretty well.

However, actually putting everything together and making it into something that's presentable and sturdy is another matter - that's what takes most of the work. In this case, being good with power tools is more important than having a lot of electronics knowledge.

Chibi, I got the disk case at "Fisher Hawaii", a local office suppy dealer. It seems to be a standard model, so you can probably find them at other business supply shops if you search around a little. I forgot what company makes it, though (threw out the packaging).

Cigs, that flyer is from last year's TGS - it's for some Japanese "Idol Worship" game (can't remember if it for PS2 or if it's one of those cellphone games). I packed a bunch of game ads in with the system.

- Matt

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Maybe in the summer I'll have time to crank out a couple more.

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I hope I'm in line if that's the case.

Rob - Have you seen these? Seven Force can hook you up with one for about 200 crisps if there's no other way...

[Kinda important that you like sticks, though, obviously...]

It's true, most of my components are scavenged... But I think its pretty easy to find an enclosure of some sort, wires, and even a computer powersupply for nothing. Check out the bins behind a used computer shop and you can usually find an old AT case that could supply the power, enclosure, and even some of the wiring. And unless you want like authentic arcade controls you can tear apart your old joypads/sticks and make yer own! Like Matt mentioned, if you want something reliable, safe, and good-looking, you probably want to have someone like Matt make it. But it can be fun seeing how creative/innovative you can get on your own. I really want to make one in tinted lucite, or inside my apple RGB monitor casing. For DIY people it can be fun but most people just ain't got the time.

P.S. Matt, do you still make those GC VGA cables?

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Originally posted by Click_Stick
Rob - Have you seen these? Seven Force can hook you up with one for about 200 crisps if there's no other way...

[Kinda important that you like sticks, though, obviously...]

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Yeah, I've seen those. I'm not big on that. It's like an arcade cabinet without the coolness of the cabinet. Not much a fan of arcade controls period. I get arthritis just thinking about it.

I think if/when I do start making them again, I'll probably just built them beforehand and sell them once they're complete. It's less hassle when you don't need to work around somebody else's schedule. I've had to turn down a lot of people in the last few months :(

The cool thing about superguns is that you really can make them to look like whatever you want. The possibilities are endless! If you do a Google search, you can find some pretty neat pictures of stuff people have created.

BTW, I've got a (very out of date) webpage up at http://www.aloha.net/~the_matt with some pics of other superguns I've made, including my own (which uses a similar disk box).

680, I still make Gamecube VGA cables. Send me a PM if you're looking for one!

- Matt

I'm sorry, but I've no idea what this Supergun is. Is it a disassembled Neo Geo custom stuffed in a box, basically? :bang:

No its basically a device that lets you play arcade games on your TV. Its like an arcade console.

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Originally posted by Click_Stick
Rob - Have you seen these? Seven Force can hook you up with one for about 200 crisps if there's no other way...

[Kinda important that you like sticks, though, obviously...]

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Sigma Raijin... now that's what I've got myself. Not too shabby. :) I wish the JAMMA Harness were a bit longer though.

http://www.sgrepository.com/index.php

Matt - Your work is now featured here.

The site looks to have been started recently... Pretty cool idea, but the banner moto has to go.

How sturdy are super guns? I don't want something that could have a cable pop off or something. Are they jusy pop-and-play like consoles or is there any semi-complex connecting involved?

Matt: If you ever decide to build and sell them again, count me as your first customer (if they're sturdy little contraptions). :)

Superguns are as sturdy as ya build em, mine is uglier than hell but could probably get shot with a pellet rifle 100 times and still run great. Generally there are no delicate ICs to fry or low power components to explode, superguns are made for use with arcade boards which by nature of their enviroment are very robust. Lets just say there are fewer complex components to fuck up than in any of your game systems. A good Supergun probably has the lifespan of a good light switch.

Really? Great!

I can imagine playing all those cool arcade games on my TV. That would be so fucking cool.

What kinda TV you got? tru RGB is where it at! Even an Apple IIGS RGB monitor looks better than any TV with composite or S-Video in my opinion.

oh god i'm sounding like JapJAC

I have a 27' WEGA with component & s-video inputs. I'd be happy with that for the moment.

Where do you get the game boards from? Ebay? What stores sell them?

27 feet, eh? Impressive.

You really do need an RGB display, though. Apart from being drop-dead gorgeous, you're likely to run into display issues otherwise.

Apple IIGS monitors are really cheap. You could probably get one for under $20. Perfect for RGB.

PCBs NEED RGB! you can play it in composite, but I would rather stab my eyeball with a twig. You would be doing the PCB a great disservice by playing it in composite or S-Video, I am pretty sure the reason why the CPS suicide batteries go off is because people play them in composite on their MAS supernovas...

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Originally posted by Mode7
27 feet, eh? Impressive.

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You know what I mean! :p

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You really do need an RGB display, though. Apart from being drop-dead gorgeous, you're likely to run into display issues otherwise.

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I'd get myself one of those cheap monitors as soon as I got a super gun. Heck, I'd even buy a new monitor for that.

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Originally posted by 680x0
Even an Apple IIGS RGB monitor looks better than any TV with composite or S-Video in my opinion.

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Hey... I use an Apple IIGS monitor for my games and I love it! The Sony KV-113CR is where its at... don't smack talk. :)

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Originally posted by 680x0
oh god i'm sounding like JapJAC

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Yes, you are. You get my commendations though... you realized it before you started spouting out the type of poo that he does. But still, just be aware for next time.

I've noticed that JAPJAC signed up to this place a while ago... probably for the score board.

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Yes, you are. You get my commendations though... you realized it before you started spouting out the type of poo that he does. But still, just be aware for next time.

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Yet another incredibly necessary post.

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Originally posted by cigsthecat
Yet another incredibly necessary post.

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Right back at you, friend.

Hi-Fives all around then.

I'm amazed at how deeply one can be scarred by internet bickering. Over a year now and some folks are still in pain over a man and his opinions. About games. It's a cold cruel internet out there...

Pa

640x0, are you a TFP regular or do you know JAPJAC from elsewhere?

You get me you get me.

I used to post a little on GameGO actually, big prize if you can guess my previous handle.

P.S. I actually liked JapJAC, its just he had some very strong opinions (clearly the best is RGB init?)

Let's stay on topic shall we?

Nice Supergun C_S, hope you enjoy it to the max ;)
Shame you dont have that zupapa cart nomore, but I'm sure you'll get to play it sometime :)

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Originally posted by seen
Don't break it open, you will damage the case. Also, you don't need to search for an old PS1 to rip out the Female AV port, just buy the Guncon AV port extender at any GameStop.

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Grrrr.... Both of my Gamestops don't have that AV port extender. Any other ideas where it can be found?

edit: Nevermind, just got one. :)

I used it to hook my PS2 up to the monitor, and everything was all grey and washed out. I need to find out why that happened...

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Originally posted by 88mph
Hey... I use an Apple IIGS monitor for my games and I love it! The Sony KV-113CR is where its at... don't smack talk. :)

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Hey 88, do you still have that 27" NEC monitor?

My KV113CR bit the dust shortly after Thanksgiving :( Now I've got an old Magnavox RGB monitor instead.

- Matt

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Originally posted by seen
Don't break it open, you will damage the case. Also, you don't need BTW, Chibi, the way to send composite sync to the PSone LCD is to connect it to the S-Video Y pin on the AV which is pin 5, I believe.

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OK, I'm all set to wire this thing up. You are correct that pin 5 is the Svideo Y, but pin 6 is labled "composite sync". Wouldn't that be where I send my sync?

Hey Seen, are you there? I hooked up everything to my PS1 monitor and I get no power. What do I do to turn the darn thing on?

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By "everything", I mean G to pin 12, R to pin 11, B to pin 9, Sync to pin 6, and video gnd to pin 8.

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OK, apparently it needs +5v hooked up as well.... I thought it would get its power from the AC adapter on the back, but apparently not. Good news: My Neo Geo is displaying on the screen now. Bad news: The color is all wrong and the screen won't stop scrolling vertically. But progress none the less. :)

That Supergun is fucking slick. As a fellow student, i'm surprised you have the money for all this gear C_S. I'm desperately trying to save up for a 5.1 setup now but that's going to take me a while, heh.

/me resists temptation to put it on the VISA

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Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
I used it to hook my PS2 up to the monitor, and everything was all grey and washed out. I need to find out why that happened...

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Check that the voltages on the RGB lines are correct. Acceptable analog RGB voltage levels are from 0.0 and 0.7 volts. Use a multimeter set to AC >10~5V, it should average the voltage.

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OK, I'm all set to wire this thing up. You are correct that pin 5 is the Svideo Y, but pin 6 is labled "composite sync". Wouldn't that be where I send my sync?

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No. Composite sync just gets passed through, it doesn't get used by the LCD, technically it could, but its not. The correct pin is the S-Video one.

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Hey Seen, are you there? I hooked up everything to my PS1 monitor and I get no power. What do I do to turn the darn thing on?

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Umm.. You plug it in. There is no power switch on the damned thing.

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By "everything", I mean G to pin 12, R to pin 11, B to pin 9, Sync to pin 6, and video gnd to pin 8.

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Sync to pin 5 not 6.

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OK, apparently it needs +5v hooked up as well.... I thought it would get its power from the AC adapter on the back, but apparently not.

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Incorrect. +5Volts, on pin 10 right? No you don't need it. Just don't connect anything to it and it will be fine, the internal circuitry senses voltages on the RGB lines and switches its attention to the RGB port instead of the composite. If however you connect a composite source to it, then it will take over RGB.

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Good news: My Neo Geo is displaying on the screen now. Bad news: The color is all wrong and the screen won't stop scrolling vertically. But progress none the less.

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That's because you hooked the Composite sync to pin 6 instead of 5 like I told you to doofus.:) If the color is still wrong then check that the RGB is in the 0.0~0.7pp voltage range.

Holla back if that workz.

seen

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Originally posted by Sidez
That Supergun is fucking slick. As a fellow student, i'm surprised you have the money for all this gear C_S. I'm desperately trying to save up for a 5.1 setup now but that's going to take me a while, heh.

* Sidez resists temptation to put it on the VISA

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Tell me about it. He should be spending that money on chicks, beer, and herb, but I digress. :) I am the stereotypical broke 100% of the time college student...

It is a very cool setup, though, if you're into that kind of thing.

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Originally posted by Matt
Hey 88, do you still have that 27" NEC monitor?

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Yeah, but she doesn't get along with my Xbox. :(

Check it out...

And again:

Further research has shown that it now has a problem with the PSX too... I didn't catch it here, but the picture randomly freaks out, buzzes and wiggles back and forth. :(

Well, I love the KV-1311CR, so no biggie I guess.

View the horror:

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Tell me about it. He should be spending that money on chicks, beer, and herb, but I digress. :) I am the stereotypical broke 100% of the time college student...

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Heh. The best it yet to come.

Well, kinda.

No spending money on things like.... "food," "girls," or... anything of that normal nature here.

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Originally posted by 88mph
Yeah, but she doesn't get along with my Xbox. :(

Check it out...

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It looks like an H-sync problem to me. Verify that all the syncs go to their right places.

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Originally posted by 88mph
Further research has shown that it now has a problem with the PSX too... I didn't catch it here, but the picture randomly freaks out, buzzes and wiggles back and forth. :(

Well, I love the KV-1311CR, so no biggie I guess.

View the horror:

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Hahahahahaha!! You're FF7 has been soiled! Cloud will never be the same.

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Originally posted by seen
That's because you hooked the Composite sync to pin 6 instead of 5 like I told you to doofus.:) If the color is still wrong then check that the RGB is in the 0.0~0.7pp voltage range.

Holla back if that workz.

seen

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Heh, OK. Switched to pin 6. That didn't stop the vertical scrolling, but it is what gave me any sort of picture in the first place. When I had it on 5 I just got fuzz. Need to figure out that scrolling issue....

And about the +5v: When I have nothing connected to pin 10 I get a monitor that won't turn on. When I connect +5v I get something. I probably don't have my RGB hooked up right (the compleatly incorrect colors should be my first hint to that one :) ). I'll wire more tonight, post again tomarrow.

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Originally posted by Click_Stick
Heh. The best it yet to come.

Well, kinda.

No spending money on things like.... "food," "girls," or... anything of that normal nature here.

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You should. Games are cool but parties and drugs are better. Don't piss away your time as a student shut up in your room playing KOF. Find the right balance.

I dunno, these days i'd rather smoke, read a book and listen to music than play games. When I do play it's usually multiplayer stuff with one single player game a week. So long as you're happy though that's cool.

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Originally posted by seen
It looks like an H-sync problem to me. Verify that all the syncs go to their right places.

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Who with the what now?

Og no understand...

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Sync problem blah blah blah

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Who with the what now?

Og no understand...

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Hmm - I think I can fix that. Send me a PM! By the looks of things, the KV113cr takes a slightly different sync signal than your 27 incher.

- Matt

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Games are cool but parties and drugs are better.

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Barf.

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Originally posted by 88mph
Who with the what now?

Og no understand...

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Hey OG. From the XBox AV pinout in RGB mode it looks like there is one line devoted to composite sync, which is basically Horizontal+Vertical sync interleaved together. Your monitor probably has two separate input jacks where it expects Horiz. and Vert. sync lines separately. Sometimes you can get away with putting Composite sync into the Vert. Sync jack on the monitor and the monitor will adjust itself. Sometimes you can attach composite sync to both Horiz. and Vert. sync inputs on the monitor and the monitor will adjust itself. In those worst cases when you have a dumbass monitor you need to split the Composite sync into two separate signals using the LM1881 chip. Try the first two cases and if they don't work then you need to contact a techie so he can fix it for you.

Seen, I made 88's monitor cable. His big TV has the same 34-pin connector as the Apple monitor - no BNCs for sync or anything of that sort.

Likewise, the Xbox connector isn't quite that handy when it comes to sync outputs. Sync splitters are required!

I'm 99% sure I know what the problem is (won't bother describing it here). 88, if you get in touch with me, I should be able to fix it pretty quickly (don't worry - I won't charge you anything, but you might have to go without RGB for a week or so).

- Matt

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Seen, I made 88's monitor cable. His big TV has the same 34-pin connector as the Apple monitor - no BNCs for sync or anything of that sort.- Matt

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Ok, So no easy access to individual lines huh... I'll shut up now.

i'm very interested in building a supergun and i read a few things about making them last night. i came up with a couple questions that someone here should be able to answer.

ac line filter:

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                              switching power supply|  G|O-----------|J|-|
                                                    |  G|O-----------|A|-| G
                                                    | +5|O-----------|M|-| A
                                                    | -5|O-----------|M|-| M
                                                    |+12|O-----------|A|-| E
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one document i read mentioned that you need an ac line filter, and another one didn't. i was wondering if it was necessary to have one so that you don't fry pcbs.

i was also wondering if a pc power supply will do an alright job with most games. i read that arcade power supplies have an adjustment for +5v, which some pcbs may require adjusting. if there are any specific pcbs that need +5v adjustment, please mention them. otherwise, it looks pretty straightforward.

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...you might have to go without RGB for a week or so).

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Oh shit... :(

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i read that arcade power supplies have an adjustment for +5v, which some pcbs may require adjusting.

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I wouldn't worry about this too much if you're planning to stick to fairly modern-ish games. It's mainly older PCBs that'll get picky over it.

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Originally posted by Mode7
I wouldn't worry about this too much if you're planning to stick to fairly modern-ish games. It's mainly older PCBs that'll get picky over it.

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alright. i'll mostly be playing mvs stuff and shooters.

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Originally posted by basemies
one document i read mentioned that you need an ac line filter, and another one didn't. i was wondering if it was necessary to have one so that you don't fry pcbs.

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The switching power supplies should have a fuse in them in case there's a surge or something. I don't think that you need a filter. Just get an arcade power supply from Happ and you should be fine.

Why is it called a supergun?

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you shouldve gotten a competition or super stick. ultimates arent that great apparently (cant find the link i was lookin for, but someone compared those 3 and the ultimate was the flimsiest and worse feeling of the 3).

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Well ultimates aren't too bad and that's what you find on most arcade games...you can shorten the spring so the stick is more like a competition...the problem is it's a lot of work to use American style joysticks...best bet is to use a Japanese style ball stick and convex buttons...

But ultimate sticks can take a beating...

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alright. i'll mostly be playing mvs stuff and shooters.

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You won't need a special power supply for any remotely modern games. A good-quality PC power supply will do the job just fine! Actually, I've had better results with PC PSUs than arcade ones most of the time. There's no sense in shelling out extra money when PC power supplies are a dime a dozen!

You don't really need to worry about the +5v adjust. Computer power supplies are much better regulated than most arcade PSUs, and do a very good job of outputting a steady 5v.

It is a good idea to put fuses on the 12v and 5v lines, just in case something goes wrong and the PCB tries drawing too much power. (2A and 7A are good values to use respectively).

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Why is it called a supergun?

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There was an early home arcade system (made in Taiwan I think) that had that name, and eventually it stuck. Kind of catchy, don't you think?

But it also means that if you do a Google search about them, you end up finding links to goofy articles about Texas and Iraq...

- Matt