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Ha, Like you really expect Bungie to finish it up by the end of this year. More they work on it, better and less rushed the final product should be.
Even though I hate Microsoft and it's machine, It's good to see someone appreciate the time taken to make a good game. Now everyone just needs to back off Working Designs. :pQuote:
Originally posted by Despair
Ha, Like you really expect Bungie to finish it up by the end of this year. More they work on it, better and less rushed the final product should be.
SC
Playing the game 4 months later later (or whenever) doesn't really make much difference to me. It's bad news for MS though, as Halo 2 was presumably seen as one of the premiere titles to drive hardware sales and LIVE subscriptions. MS had better deliver some BIG titles this year to compensate for this delay.
That's great they're taking their time, but like everyone has said, this'll hurt MS (not like I really care, though). I know one person who's waiting for Halo 2 to come out to buy an X-Box.
Ha! Remember that poll we had a while back that asked if we thought it would be released on time, pushed to 2004, etc.? I voted for 2004. Where's my prize?
--Scourge .
Your prize is to wait a little longer for Halo 2.
Enjoy.
This isn't good at all. Will Doom 3 manage to get released before Halo 2, then? Maybe MS should shell some dough out to get a quicker port to ensure people don't get too pissy.
This statement implies that Working Designs actually programs the games they (mis)translate and distribute, which they don't. WD deserves every letter of criticism they earn.Quote:
Originally posted by spacecowboy
It's good to see someone appreciate the time taken to make a good game. Now everyone just needs to back off Working Designs.
Well that's a shitty prize.Quote:
Originally posted by Master
Your prize is to wait a little longer for Halo 2.
Enjoy.
--Scourge .
<insert traditional MechDeus comment on becoming sad at being forced to play nothing but the better FPS' this year>
<and next year>
not surprised
i say the game comes out Mid - Late 2004 and if not then itll be an XBox 2 launch title ;)
Ste-von is gonna be pissed...
Not traditional so much as tiresome.
If taking the additional time means getting it right, I say good on them. There are enough games being rushed out the door as it is.
The first one could've used a little extra work (the gameplay was spot on, but I didn't like how the second half of the game was just the first half backwards), so I don't see this as a bad thing at all. I'm glad Microsoft isn't forcing Bungie to push it out the door as fast as possible. It might not be a great move business-wise, but they've got enough money as it is.
They're taking time to do it right. Halo and Fable in early 2004? Now that's something to look forward too.
Gee, I never saw this one coming. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Scourge
Ha! Remember that poll we had a while back that asked if we thought it would be released on time, pushed to 2004, etc.? I voted for 2004. Where's my prize?
--Scourge .
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...ght=halo+delay
I'm all for them delaying the game to make a better final product.
Well, yeah, I'm on board too with taking time on the game and releasing it when the final product is more polished. If Kojima and Co. hadn't been in such a rush to get MGS2 out the door before the end of 2001, the last hour or two of the game could've been as good as the rest of it, and not degraded to the point of laughable metaphysical nonesense.
But still, M$ should know this will more or less absolutely kill their 4th quarter sales this year, this was the flagship game everyone was waiting for and was going to move X-Box units at Christmas. Not anymore I guess...
I'm hoping that by some miracle, True Fantasy Live Online comes out 4th quarter in the US.Quote:
Originally posted by Ragnarok the Red
this was the flagship game everyone was waiting for and was going to move X-Box units at Christmas. Not anymore I guess...
"I live on through this arm!" The last portion fit in perfectly with the hysterically bad plot throughout.Quote:
Originally posted by Ragnarok the Red
If Kojima and Co. hadn't been in such a rush to get MGS2 out the door before the end of 2001, the last hour or two of the game could've been as good as the rest of it [...]
Actually, I thought Liquid's arm taking control of Ocelot is no less absurd, really, than a huge-ass flock of ravens consuming Vulcan Raven or Sniper Wolf actually acknowledging and reciprocating Otacon's love in the first game :rolleyes: It actually kind of fit in with the theme of the Solid series :)Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
"I live on through this arm!" The last portion fit in perfectly with the hysterically bad plot throughout.
Eh, the ravens were more symbolic then anything else, I didn't have a problem with that because of such. As for Sniper Wolf, they didn't really expand on her love other then her allowing Otacon to take care of her wolves. Otacon (God what a stupid name) was far more in love then anything Wolf seemed to acknowledge.
Or how about our bisexual friend Vamp and his weren't-not-going-to-even-try-and-explain vampire powers. Random.
I honestly think we need more bisexual vampires in videogames.:chick:
On topic now. Don't you think it's a little early in the year for them to announce this. I don't think this game is coming out any time soon next year either, and if it is a x-mas 2004 title they mine as well hold it back till Xbox 2 comes out.
And this delay is supposed to surprise us? I thought it was assumed to be expected, as with all over hyped software.
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originally posted by Kinopio back in January
I don't think they can pull it off this year.
I guess it takes time to make flaming ninja's run or something.
Meh. No bother, I don't even have HALO.
I suppose what they could have done was pull off a rockstar, and just release an expansion pack sequel of the game. Halo 1 seemed unfinished if you ask me. There were so many things they could have added. Then it would make the wait for the seqel much easier. Or they could do a Konami and just rerelease a special edition with more stuff than in the original. Like a directors cut. :D It would include ten new levels, a few new weapons, multiplayer modes, more vehicles etc basically a champion edition.
Nothing but good can come of this.
Halo 2 was gonna be my reason to buy a XBOX this year... looks like that's not gonna happen now...
/me spews sunny d on keyboard.Quote:
I guess it takes time to make flaming ninja's run or something.
Ah, I love it when an in-joke that I actually get is cracked.
The Invisible War is confirmed for 2003 on Xbox. No suicide here :)
What was wrong with halo 1? Halo 1, Gun Valkyrie, MSR, JGR, PDO were enough to draw me. Along with that there was morrowind (yeah I know it's available on pc but mines too slow), game like Dues Ex 2 and Fable to look for in the future and Splinter Cell (multiplatform now but still enough to have drawn somebody to get a system when it was released) etcQuote:
Halo 2 was gonna be my reason to buy a XBOX this year... looks like that's not gonna happen now...
Man you guys are missing out on some great games. I know it may not have the largest lineup but what is there is enough to make the system worth getting whether halo2 is ready or not.
I knew someone had to get that.Quote:
Originally posted by Bacon McShig
* Bacon McShig spews sunny d on keyboard.
Ah, I love it when an in-joke that I actually get is cracked.
Hopsital and flaming ninjas...what's not worth waiting for?
*Note: Game does not actually include flaming ninjas in a hospital
You forgot about the helicopters. Wow, I'm going to have to renew XBOX Live by next year. Is it going to be another 50 bucks? I'm gonna treat this like an Orta situation and bear the delay.Quote:
Originally posted by mattvanstone
I knew someone had to get that.
Hopsital and flaming ninjas...what's not worth waiting for?
I guess the Official Xbox Magazine is gonna have to hold on to Halo a bit longer... and add 4 more months' worth of Halo 2 previews.
But you see; the special edition would only be available to japan and would never see stateside release. Cause the three people that care about Halo in Japan are so much more 1337 than the millions of fans of the series in America. Such is the way of the industry.Quote:
Originally posted by GameHED
I suppose what they could have done was pull off a rockstar, and just release an expansion pack sequel of the game. Halo 1 seemed unfinished if you ask me. There were so many things they could have added. Then it would make the wait for the seqel much easier. Or they could do a Konami and just rerelease a special edition with more stuff than in the original. Like a directors cut. :D It would include ten new levels, a few new weapons, multiplayer modes, more vehicles etc basically a champion edition.
MGS did have major problems, I found. Nothing was explained too much and, overall, the game seemed like a cop out of the first, without the innovative boss fights like that psychic guy or the sniper battle with Wolf.
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't their most anticipated titles. Xbox seems to be leaving alot of 'hits' for years on end. They have some great titles like PDO, GV and Splinter Cell, but none of them were as enthralling as I'd like. Although I haven't played PDO so I should go rent that game.
I hope something hard drops. Like Psychonauts, maybe that'll be good. I think they'll rely on Project Gotham 2 for Christmas 2004. History says that racing games don't really sell systems, outside of Gran Turismo of course ;)
Damn, that sucks. But w/ a game so far away, and with so little shown, its tough to get my hopes up just yet.
On the bright side, at least they're telling us now; as opposed to August.
...did you say PSO?Quote:
Originally posted by GameCynic
On the bright side, at least they're telling us now; as opposed to August.
Maybe the main portion of the game is already finished. This game is going to be online right? Is PSO going to be on Sega's servers, or Microsoft's? I have a feeling that the game's biggest delay, is the availability of Server space and getting the code together to run Halo 2's online community.
Microsoft will probably have the servers together by mid next year and then will they release Halo 2. Remember, it took Sega 2 years to get the servers up and running for NFL2k1.
I highly doubt server space would make MS push back what would be their biggest game during the HUGE holiday sales
It has nothing really to do with "servers" I'm sure. The act of making a game like Halo anything as big as that is not simple and is not a direct science where it is easy to get everything right the first run through :/
Sucks though... I really wanted it this year... but time, what is time.
It's not really easy to get things through on the first run. (look at all the shitty games on their first run. In comparison they're not outweighed by the hits with sequels, right Tracer?
Andrew, Halo is a first person shooter. By Microsoft. Microsoft has been running an online game portal for many, many years, and I can assure you that it has a first person shooter or two. It also happens to have one of the most popular internet game out there (AOE2/AOM). Microsoft also, keep in mind, wrote all the tools that tie all the different Live games together (the friends list, etc.). They know exactly what they are doing and then some.
Servers have NOTHING to do with the delay.
I know. I never said anything about server. Unless you meant Andy... maybe so.Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
Andrew, Halo is a first person shooter. By Microsoft. Microsoft has been running an online game portal for many, many years, and I can assure you that it has a first person shooter or two. It also happens to have one of the most popular internet game out there (AOE2/AOM). Microsoft also, keep in mind, wrote all the tools that tie all the different Live games together (the friends list, etc.). They know exactly what they are doing and then some.
Servers have NOTHING to do with the delay.
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Originally posted by Tracer
It has nothing really to do with "servers" I'm sure. The act of making a game like Halo anything as big as that is not simple and is not a direct science where it is easy to get everything right the first run through :/
Sucks though... I really wanted it this year... but time, what is time.
Sega's Shenmue 2 was a huge gaming environment to develope and was a major improvement over the first Shenmue. It did'nt take Sega over 2 years to get that game out. Look at a game like Final Fantasy Online, which did'nt get enough online test time, to make a viable online product. I'm sure Bungie and Microsoft are making sure that this game will have no hic-ups when it goes online. This is just my guess, as I'm sure the game has had plenty of time to be perfected as a single player experience.
That was a typo andrew: I meant
"..where it isn't easy to get everything right the first run through :/"
It's not as simple to carry over man (GV) - The whole way the game is presented is changed (ala the graphics, models and whatever else) and PLUS Yuji Naka himself said (in an interview) that you can't just add online simultanious play in as an after thought which is basically what would happen should they have just jumped in some enhanced TCP/IP modules into the first.
ºTracer
In what way? IIRC, the word from the beta testers was that the game was better before Square readied it for release. Would that be a case of too much testing? (Or just idiocy?)Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
Look at a game like Final Fantasy Online, which did'nt get enough online test time, to make a viable online product.
yeah but the thing is I just got a job a few months ago, and while I do spend all my money on video games, I decide it might not be a great investent to spend so much on a system whos only game I really want to play could be loaned to me at leasure by friends at any point down the road... Bassically I decided to wait till Haol 2 came out then borrow Halo later... not the greatest plan but definately the cheapest...Quote:
Originally posted by GameHED
What was wrong with halo 1? Halo 1, Gun Valkyrie, MSR, JGR, PDO were enough to draw me. Along with that there was morrowind (yeah I know it's available on pc but mines too slow), game like Dues Ex 2 and Fable to look for in the future and Splinter Cell (multiplatform now but still enough to have drawn somebody to get a system when it was released) etc
Man you guys are missing out on some great games. I know it may not have the largest lineup but what is there is enough to make the system worth getting whether halo2 is ready or not.
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Originally posted by Tracer
That was a typo andrew: I meant
"..where it isn't easy to get everything right the first run through :/"
It's not as simple to carry over man (GV) - The whole way the game is presented is changed (ala the graphics, models and whatever else) and PLUS Yuji Naka himself said (in an interview) that you can't just add online simultanious play in as an after thought which is basically what would happen should they have just jumped in some enhanced TCP/IP modules into the first.
ºTracer
And would'nt this mean to you, that the online elements of the game, are probably the biggest stumbling blocks, for the developers of the game?
Perhaps. I can't give a conclusion BESIDES saying it's not the servers for a good number of reasons.
Netcode for it's style of game is 100% client side - in fact XBL work (rather disappointingly) as a p2p network so in fact - Server cost is very VERY minimal (pisses me off that fees are required to use a p2p network, but I can assure that at 50 bucks a head the XBL service is immencely profitable). Given MS's typical way of doing things the game will be made for the P2P servers, not the servers being made for the game.
So I maintain my original point but yes - the online aspect may very well be a stumbling block for them. It may be something completely diffrent, but we don't know that and I suspect we will never know for sure - all i know is that it's not servers and it's not very very important.
ºTracer
EB's site is currently listing october 15th, 2004 as the release date. That is every flavour of suck known to man.
Next year is one thing, more than a year and a half away is another altogether. I hope to heck MS has something using the Halo engine online (Halo 1?) this christmas, or I'll be really disappointed.
Halo 2: christmas 2004
Xbox 2: 2005
What the heck are they thinking? I'm sure they could get teh game up to snuff by this christmas if they threw enough money at its development. Holding on for that "extra quality" may hurt them more than it's worth. Me, I'd be happy with Halo 1 all over again with netplay, some new multiplayer levels, and "Halo 2" on the box.
There was another game in the works by Bungie using the Halo engine but it was scrapped due to sucking major ass. The team that was working on it was immediately put to work on a new game, which I think also uses the Halo engine. If Bungie had any sense, they would put everyone in the Halo 2 group because xbox doesn't have much in the future besides Fable, which will now be coming out before Halo 2.
Yeah, I was hoping Brute Force would be interesting, but if it's only 4 players and not online, I'll pass. There were rumours of a Halo 1.5, or Halo online a short while back. I'm praying E3 brings one of those.Quote:
Originally posted by Ammadeau
There was another game in the works by Bungie using the Halo engine but it was scrapped due to sucking major ass. The team that was working on it was immediately put to work on a new game, which I think also uses the Halo engine. If Bungie had any sense, they would put everyone in the Halo 2 group because xbox doesn't have much in the future besides Fable, which will now be coming out before Halo 2.
16 man Halo is amazing, and while it wouldn't be as cool online as having everyone there in the same room, being able to do it whenever you want would be one of the best things ever. (And yes, I know there are other games that offer this, but it's just not the same, dammit!)
Well, Ninja Gaiden, Spike Out Online, Rallisport 2 and Project Gotham 2 all look decent, but not like system sellers. But I'm betting MS has something huge up their sleeves for E3. I mean, they couldn't just be going into christmas 2003 with what they've announced...could they!?Quote:
If Bungie had any sense, they would put everyone in the Halo 2 group because xbox doesn't have much in the future besides Fable, which will now be coming out before Halo 2.
Halo 1.5 was a total rumor and Bungie had never intended it, but I agree that they certainly should because Halo really suffers, imo, from not being online. The single player is weak and playing splitscreen is just annoying to me.
Most xbox first party games have been pure 'meh' so even if MS have a few surprises, I don't think they'll be enough. What they need is some serious 3rd party support, but I don't see any company throwing them that support when PS2 is such a money making machine.
Add True Fantasy Online to that upcoming list, but I don't think it'll be a big system seller either.
Wow. This is news to me! Damn...now I don't know what
game(s) to look forward to on Xbox in 2003. :(
DOOM 3
doom3 is for pc. i was talking about xbox games...
Doom 3 is xbox games too.