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A liberated town is most excellent to see.
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Click on the bottom link in the right hand box ("Liberating Safwan").
A liberated town is most excellent to see.
An entire division surrendered. Damn...8,000 dudes.
I guess some people over there really are happy to see things change.
Hooray for propaganda and cheerleading, so much for fair and unbiased reporting.
Kinda sums up Fox, especially now.
So how's the coverage on MSNBC, NBC, CNN, and such?
I just got home from class and haven't bothered with the news.
Dude...it is news. It is on every other new channel/website out there. Why the hell would they not show an official Pentagon news report?Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Hooray for propaganda and cheerleading, so much for fair and unbiased reporting.
Kinda sums up Fox, especially now.
Screw those damn dirty freed Iraqi's, what is really important is constantly complaining about any positive outlook on various aspects of the war and anything that might show America and our actions in a positive light. "Hooray for propaganda and cheerleading" indeed, pot.. kettle.. black...
Urm dude chill out.
I made a simple observation, if you wanna argue that US media at this point is a beacon of fair and unbiased reporting be my guest.
And war is NEVER positive, it ALWAYS means things went wrong, horribly wrong wich eventually lead up to war.
Well no shit, Sherlock. I'm happy for the freed town. I hope they enjoy their newfound freedoms.
I could agree with you there, but I doubt we agree on who 'screwed up' to lead to this.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Urm dude chill out.
I made a simple observation, if you wanna argue that US media at this point is a beacon of fair and unbiased reporting be my guest.
And war is NEVER positive, it ALWAYS means things went wrong, horribly wrong wich eventually lead up to war.
You're the one arguging and mentioning this bias first. Trolling, or 'a simple observation' as you call it, is bad. Oh well, time to ignore you for good.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Urm dude chill out.
I made a simple observation, if you wanna argue that US media at this point is a beacon of fair and unbiased reporting be my guest.
And war is NEVER positive, it ALWAYS means things went wrong, horribly wrong wich eventually lead up to war.
I think we can.Quote:
Originally posted by Hero
I could agree with you there, but I doubt we agree on who 'screwed up' to lead to this.
How about Chirac(osirak), Rumsfeld(Saddam is my friend), Glaspie(go ahead and invade Kuwait, the US wont interfere), Cheney(50 million from Haliburton baby, and as recently as 2k lobbying to get sanctions against Saddam lifted) and lotsa others like them who made Saddams insane rise to power and insanity possible.
Oh boohoo, cry me a fucking river.Quote:
Originally posted by mattvanstone
You're the one arguging and mentioning this bias first. Trolling, or 'a simple observation' as you call it, is bad. Oh well, time to ignore you for good.
Oh wait you cant read this post you Anglosaxen result of 5000 years of inbreeding, it seems to be true that the most radical Americans are those who are not Americans to begin with, am I right Britboy?
Now lets see if he is really ignoring me.
Ali, I've been pretty vocal about my opposition to this war, but I have to say that from what I've been reading and seeing from every reputable news outlet, this war is going extremely well with minimal human cost. I don't see why you're complaining.
And you need to tone your language down and quit with the namecalling.
That was really unnecesary.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Oh boohoo, cry me a fucking river.
Oh wait you cant read this post you Anglosaxen result of 5000 years of inbreeding, it seems to be true that the most radical Americans are those who are not Americans to begin with, am I right Britboy?
Now lets see if he is really ignoring me.
Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Oh boohoo, cry me a fucking river.
Oh wait you cant read this post you Anglosaxen result of 5000 years of inbreeding, it seems to be true that the most radical Americans are those who are not Americans to begin with, am I right Britboy?
Now lets see if he is really ignoring me.
Shut up.
Well, guys, I think we ought to show Almaci some slack as far as namecalling and insults go - let him act like an asshole if he wants, you know?Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Ali, I've been pretty vocal about my opposition to this war, but I have to say that from what I've been reading and seeing from every reputable news outlet, this war is going extremely well with minimal human cost. I don't see why you're complaining.
And you need to tone your language down and quit with the namecalling.
Really, think about how difficult it must be to be proven THAT WRONG. He's got to know that he looks like a complete idiot right now, given the content of all of his posts over the past few weeks - he's probably beginning to realize that all of that venom he's been spewing basically went towards defending an evil dictator, he's realizing that the US did and is doing the right thing, and that can't be easy, can it?
So, I say go for it, Almaci, double-think, talk trash, whatever, as long as it gets you through this and makes you feel better about all of the time you've wasted, then it's alright with me.
Stone, I too am surprised at how smoothly this war is going. It's gone like clockwork so far. The one month estimations I heard for it a few weeks ago don't seem too far-fetched now.
Urm so far so good I guess, I hope this will be over quickly with as few casualties as possible.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Ali, I've been pretty vocal about my opposition to this war, but I have to say that from what I've been reading and seeing from every reputable news outlet, this war is going extremely well with minimal human cost. I don't see why you're complaining.
And you need to tone your language down and quit with the namecalling.
US media however is nothing more then propaganda at the moment.
They report that Iraq fired three SCUD missiles to Kuwait, not true Iraq most likely doesnt have any scuds left(they had to dismantle after 91) and experts agree that the rockets fired were either frogs(ancient altered Soviet rocket) or al Samuds(both allowed under agreements as long as the reach doesnt exceed 150kilometers, IE they cant reach Israel).
They talk about 30 burning oilfields while there are only 7 burning.
Not a mention about two SMART bombs who turned out to be not so smart and managed to mis thier targets in Basra by 50 kilometers and instead ended up in Abadan in neighbouring Iran, Iran not happy of course.
US journalists have no freedom and are acompanied by millitary personel, everything they say is under heavy censorship, no disclaimers acompany their reports so people would be informed about that fact.
The US of course is gonna downplay or deny civilian casualties if/when they happen, its part of the propaganda war and US media are goin along with it.
I made an observation about the media completely unrelated to my actual feelings of the war and quite frankly im shocked to see how much opposition I get for making that observation.
Dude, what the hell are you talking about?Quote:
Originally posted by Stone
Well, guys, I think we ought to show Almaci some slack as far as namecalling and insults go - let him act like an asshole if he wants, you know?
Really, think about how difficult it must be to be proven THAT WRONG. He's got to know that he looks like a complete idiot right now, given the content of all of his posts over the past few weeks - he's probably beginning to realize that all of that venom he's been spewing basically went towards defending an evil dictator, he's realizing that the US did and is doing the right thing, and that can't be easy, can it?
So, I say go for it, Almaci, double-think, talk trash, whatever, as long as it gets you through this and makes you feel better about all of the time you've wasted, then it's alright with me.
This totaly vindicates my posts of the last few weeks.
Iraq doesnt seem to have any of the WMDs the US were claiming they had and they dont pose much of a thread to their immediate neighbours(even during a war) let alone the US.
An observation does not equal ramming your opinions down the throats of others.
Hopefully itl be far less then a month.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Stone, I too am surprised at how smoothly this war is going. It's gone like clockwork so far. The one month estimations I heard for it a few weeks ago don't seem too far-fetched now.
Urm I gave my opinion in a single sentance, how is that forcing it down peoples throats?Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
An observation does not equal ramming your opinions down the throats of others.
Youre right, I lowered myself to his level(just look at al his Kenshin posts for instance)Quote:
Originally posted by Brisco Bold
That was really unnecesary.
Well, it was a baseless argument.
No its not for reasons outlined in a post a little bit further down after my initial post(the one in reply to Burgundy)
It's nice to know that Iraq is beingfreed after so much oppression...
Uncalled for and unecessary. You obviously know that no one takes you seriously?Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Oh boohoo, cry me a fucking river.
Oh wait you cant read this post you Anglosaxen result of 5000 years of inbreeding, it seems to be true that the most radical Americans are those who are not Americans to begin with, am I right Britboy?
Now lets see if he is really ignoring me.
I dont care about this thread but I beg the question (on topics moreorless unrelated) : You do know that no one takes you seriously too right?Quote:
Originally posted by Master of 7s
Uncalled for and unecessary. You obviously know that no one takes you seriously?
:P
So, do the ends justify the means then? It seems to me a lot of people are into the big weaponry and the us-against-them rhetoric and the Texas-lawman mentality and are disguising their fascination with destruction by saying, "See, another town is liberated?"
This war is the most screwed-up thing I have ever witnessed. We build up these maniacs, then turn our backs until it is politically expedient to awaken our righteous indignation. Meanwhile there are atrocities being committed all over the world that we will never (and should never) address militarily, and do not even seriously address through diplomatic and economic channels.
Seriously, this is a somber action we are undertaking here, not some football game with a clear-cut winner. Cheerleading on either side is reprehensible.
"winning a war is as possible as winning an earthquake"
šTracer
Kind of like how you ALWAYS are, eh? Nothing but propoganda... heh.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
US media however is nothing more then propaganda at the moment.
Other experts reported they were scuds. And 'most likely' is an opinion. But yeah, given how trustworthy Saddam is, he most likely did give up all his scuds for dismantling (my naive opinion)...Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
They report that Iraq fired three SCUD missiles to Kuwait, not true Iraq most likely doesnt have any scuds left(they had to dismantle after 91) and experts agree that the rockets fired were either frogs(ancient altered Soviet rocket) or al Samuds(both allowed under agreements as long as the reach doesnt exceed 150kilometers, IE they cant reach Israel).
Apparently, you KNOW for a fact there are only 7, because your news sources don't make mistakes and aren't biased... I'm not sure why you're squabbling about this; easily correctable sooner or later (if that count is wrong)... Perhaps your news outlets have the wrong figures, perhaps not.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
They talk about 30 burning oilfields while there are only 7 burning.
EDIT: Fox (just now) is reporting there are 7 wells on fire in southern Iraq... happy?
This was indeed reported; I heard it either on FOX or MSNBC (forgot which).Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Not a mention about two SMART bombs who turned out to be not so smart and managed to mis thier targets in Basra by 50 kilometers and instead ended up in Abadan in neighbouring Iran, Iran not happy of course.
url? Wow, they have NO FREEDOM?? And is the military accompanying them or are they accompanying, or rather riding in with the military?? Man, I hate censorship; I better listen to whatever Almaci says in the future, cause I know he (and his trusted news reporters/outlets) will provide us with the uncensored truth...Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
US journalists have no freedom and are acompanied by millitary personel, everything they say is under heavy censorship, no disclaimers acompany their reports so people would be informed about that fact.
That prediction is based more on your cynicism than anything else. "The US is definitely going to do it because I Almaci say it is. They're big liars!!!" Please... there's plenty of reporters working in mainstream news outlets (combined with a few outspoken democrats) that don't want Bush reelected; high casualty counts will help them make a case... A sad case of supply and demand you might say.. but of course, that's my opinion which is admittedly based on cynicism and half-truths. However, I'm not gonna make an authoritative statement/conclusion about it.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
The US of course is gonna downplay or deny civilian casualties if/when they happen, its part of the propaganda war and US media are goin along with it.
Yeah, so far... You might want to wait awhile before declaring they never had them in the first place.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Iraq doesnt seem to have any of the WMDs the US were claiming they had
Really, I just don't get this squabbling... If you don't like FOX News or any other US media outlets, fine... just change the damned channel and watch a network that's 'Fair & Balanced' relative to your point-of-view. Anyhow, I have the utmost confidence that you will be the FIRST to emphatically report any intentional atrocities Turkey may commit against the Kurds, as well as any of their other questionable activities...
Dont bet on it, im not born with a national flag in my ass like most of you seem to be.
Heaven forbid anyone take pride in their country.
Truth.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Heaven forbid anyone take pride in their country.
I think if you don't support those who are fighting and dying over there right now... then frankly that's just really fucked. Whether you agree with it or not, our people are over there fighting and deserve our support. Just my two cents.
But, but, but... demonizing, err, criticizing your government and its policies is not only patriotic, but your duty... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Dont bet on it, im not born with a national flag in my ass like most of you seem to be.
I made it clear previously that every life lost on both sides is one life too much.
That being said, on BBC earlier I saw a US soldier writing on an artillery shell PAYBACK 9/11, and telling the journalist that he saw it as revenge for what Saddam did on 9/11.
Now I could do like the supporters of the war here do and extrapolate that mans stupidity and say the entire army is like that.
i wont tough as im smarter then that and im sure most of the millitary personel is as well.
then you're a smarter guy for doing it, you tree-hugging hippie ;)
*pats Almaci on the back for that* ;)
Cute poster. Interesting definition of the term "protect America."
I like that one too ;).
88mph: Might as well put this one in your sig-
http://www.changethechannel.net/dump...addam_flag.jpg
That poster is GOLD. I was waiting for people to start busting out the old WWII stuff.
Come on now... I don't take sides in any political crap on these boards. I just enjoy antoginizing people.Quote:
Originally posted by Nick
Cute poster. Interesting definition of the term "protect America."
hehehehe.Quote:
Originally posted by Hero
then you're a smarter guy for doing it, you tree-hugging hippie ;)
Have ya talked with Heidi any lately?
I am trying to keep out of it. I am working on other areas of the site and I find I don't always get back to threads right away, but some of this debate is just unreal. Besides, Almaci doesn't need any help at all. The man is brutal. It embarrasses me how much I've fallen out of the loop politically the past few years.
Thanks to him and Jimmy Carter in particular and Stone, spacecowboy, and the rest for keeping the discussion going.
I think you fail to realize that you can't fix the past.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Urm dude chill out.
I made a simple observation, if you wanna argue that US media at this point is a beacon of fair and unbiased reporting be my guest.
And war is NEVER positive, it ALWAYS means things went wrong, horribly wrong wich eventually lead up to war.
We are here and addressing the mistakes of yesteryear. It has to end sometime and Bush is stepping up to the plate amongst adversity to do so. The Iraqi people agree as well as the soldiers.
I agree that there is a ton of biased newscasts out there but they did not make this up or something like this. The Iraqi people are celebrating because the war now means a better tomorrow for their children and grandchildren.
We can but hope at this point.
Given the US past however forgive me for being extremely suspicious about US motives and willingnes to do what needs to be done once this war is over.
Just look at Afghanistan.
True.
But the reasoning for going after Afganistan was the Taliban and Al Quaeda. I pretty much chalked that up to be a failure.
They got next to no real terrorist officials until just recently and Osama still seems to be fleetingly at large. It was a failure and all it really did was dethrone the Taliban.
Countries do, however, take time to build up and I will be interested to see where Afganistan is in 5 - 10 years from now.
I saw an intresting quote in this weeks Newsweek.
The US wants democracy in the middle east, well they got it in Turkey(talking about Turkish parliament voting against the US)
Well, there's no more greeting of troops. Apparently, some of the US and UK troops are getting some slack from "liberated" peoples in certain town (slips my name right now). I saw it on ABC. The people were downright nasty, asking questions like "are you here to conquer us? Are the Israelis coming next?" The most common comment was "where's the aid? Where's the food?" The ABC journalist found it 'unsettling' to be called "satan."
This is kind of worrisome, I'm going to go watch ABC.
And apparently already conquered towns and cities have turned out to be not really conquered yet with (quote) POCKETS of resistance(whatever that means).
This is getting nasty ;_;
Pockets of resistance are small areas (such as houses) which have enemies inside them. Or ravines. They're small groups, basically.
Yeah, I saw that on ABC's Web site:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/W...wan030322.html
This is why I say we should not treat this like a sports event. It just ain't that easy. We are talking not "only" about people's lives, but their way of life.
This is serious, and there is no problem that can be completely solved by a bunch of missles.
I can't blame your country of birth for not taking ownership of you.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Dont bet on it, im not born with a national flag in my ass like most of you seem to be.
YAY! Personal attacks.
That helps.
Does this not absolutely prove that Saddam has completely brainwashed these people? If they were allowed to pull their heads out of the sand, they would know that Israel has absolutely nothing to with this action. The only refreshing part is that the promise of food got to them. It is unfortunate that there isn't room for it with the troops themselves. Hopefully it will be safe to enter the country with the aid very, very soon.Quote:
Originally posted by Brisco Bold
The people were downright nasty, asking questions like "are you here to conquer us? Are the Israelis coming next?" The most common comment was "where's the aid? Where's the food?"
Fuck that. Ali has been taking pot-shots at everyone else here for a solid month. His holier than though, "informed" bullshit is wearing very thin. The first ammendment stops where the ocean starts. As far as I am concerned, he can shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally posted by Nick
YAY! Personal attacks.
That helps.
So you assume that people who are suspicious of military invaders on their homeland are brainwashed?
Here's fifteen bucks, go buy a color of paint besides black or white. :)
It has nothing to do with suspicion. It's the Isreali association. I guess after 20 years of hearing nothing else, they start to believe it.Quote:
Originally posted by Nick
So you assume that people who are suspicious of military invaders on their homeland are brainwashed?
Also, you can keep your gray paint.
Um, as I said in another thread, I am no expert on the Middle East, but I am fairly sure the question about Israel has nothing to do with Saddam. Arab-Israeli tensions go back to Biblical times and the U.S.-Israel connection is a fact of international policy.
What reading I have done on that area of the world leads me to believe that no one has clean hands. I guess I'll send the gray paint over there, so all those governments can use it to wash off the blood.
No.Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
Does this not absolutely prove that Saddam has completely brainwashed these people? If they were allowed to pull their heads out of the sand, they would know that Israel has absolutely nothing to with this action. The only refreshing part is that the promise of food got to them. It is unfortunate that there isn't room for it with the troops themselves. Hopefully it will be safe to enter the country with the aid very, very soon.
Spurious relationship. Their religion and these relgious tensions existed before Saddam. Saddam may have exacerbated them, but if you were to make this a hypothesis (Saddam propoganda--->relgious tensions) it would not hold up. If you went to another Muslim nation, there would an absense of the Independant variable, but Dependent variable would still be there;your hypo, would go no where.
The religious tensions have nothing to do with our attack on Saddam's regime, however. I am well aware that the ill-feelings toward Israel have existed since day one. However, the assumption that anything that happens in the middle east somehow involves Israel is nothing short of ignorance. Israel is nowhere near that important.
I know, but you said:
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Does this not absolutely prove that Saddam has completely brainwashed these people?
Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
Does this not absolutely prove that Saddam has completely brainwashed these people? If they were allowed to pull their heads out of the sand, they would know that Israel has absolutely nothing to with this action. The only refreshing part is that the promise of food got to them. It is unfortunate that there isn't room for it with the troops themselves. Hopefully it will be safe to enter the country with the aid very, very soon.
Fuck that. Ali has been taking pot-shots at everyone else here for a solid month. His holier than though, "informed" bullshit is wearing very thin. The first ammendment stops where the ocean starts. As far as I am concerned, he can shut the fuck up.
Fact Israel has been very vocally pushing for this war both inside Israel as wel as lobying at the white house, Israeli newspapers had headlines months ago about the Israeli efforts to get this war goin and had headlines like Iraq soon, after that iran etcetera, such headlines reach Iraqi television in opinion programmes etcetera.
None of the things I have said have been unprovoked unlike you, you dont know what my relationship with my homecountry is so please refrain from talking out of youre ass.
And yes I am allowed to attack you and act all INFORMED and smarter and whatever then you.
I have earned that right after setting you straight with the numbers of people who surrendered, the simple fact that NO scuds have been launched yet while you insisted there were etcetera.
Its not arrogance when youre right, in short im not arrogant, you however remain a rascist shithead.
That's pretty funny, coming from a guy who wrote this:Quote:
Its not arrogance when youre right, in short im not arrogant, you however remain a rascist shithead.
"Oh wait you cant read this post you Anglosaxen result of 5000 years of inbreeding, it seems to be true that the most radical Americans are those who are not Americans to begin with, am I right Britboy?"
That is an oppinion, the things im talking about in my reply are over things accepted worldwide as facts.
It's interesting that everyone ignored Nick's initial post. It's the most truthful, insightful thing I've read in any of these war threads.
Maybe that's why it was ignored...
Oh we saw it...
. . . but being a cheerleader is so much easier than being a diplomat.
Until some jocks shave your pubes off.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...ll+cheerleader
Quoi?Quote:
Originally posted by Nick
. . . but being a cheerleader is so much easier than being a diplomat.
I don't like Almaci and his Propaganda.
I'll second that. I've been pretty quiet for the most part on all these threads, but I'd about had my fill with yahoos on both sides of the arguments here.Quote:
It's interesting that everyone ignored Nick's initial post. It's the most truthful, insightful thing I've read in any of these war threads.
Maybe that's why it was ignored...
He's Nick's initial post again, since it deserves repeating:
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So, do the ends justify the means then? It seems to me a lot of people are into the big weaponry and the us-against-them rhetoric and the Texas-lawman mentality and are disguising their fascination with destruction by saying, "See, another town is liberated?"
This war is the most screwed-up thing I have ever witnessed. We build up these maniacs, then turn our backs until it is politically expedient to awaken our righteous indignation. Meanwhile there are atrocities being committed all over the world that we will never (and should never) address militarily, and do not even seriously address through diplomatic and economic channels.
Seriously, this is a somber action we are undertaking here, not some football game with a clear-cut winner. Cheerleading on either side is reprehensible.
Propaganda?Quote:
Originally posted by Clash_Master
I don't like Almaci and his Propaganda.
If you can throw the word around all you want with out rhyme or reason, why can't I?
I dont use propaganda, I try to look behind it.
Big difference there dude.
More Propaganda.
Children, Children...What's next, the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense? Sheesh.
I'm waiting for the "I know you are, but what am I?" defense, myself.
Hehe
Mon drapeau est rouge, blanc, et bleu.Quote:
Originally posted by Brisco Bold
Quoi?
I would use that, but I don't have a reliable source on him so I am not sure what he is.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
I'm waiting for the "I know you are, but what am I?" defense, myself.
Succe moi, salope.
Fight Club time :D
I hardley count this as fighting.
You are truly an ass with no common sense.Quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
Fox News
Click on the bottom link in the right hand box ("Liberating Safwan").
A liberated town is most excellent to see.
The town which was "liberated" was a town of Shias, the Muslim minority of Iraq, which has been opressed by Saddam for years, in fact they and the Kurds are the groups US forces encouraged to rebel against Saddam in 1991, promising we would help.....we left them to be slaughtered as soon as the Kuwaiti oilfields were secured and the Iraqi army was pulvarized on the way back to Bagdhad, we even allowed the Iraqi military to use their choppers after the cease-fire, as long as they didnt invade the airspace over US forces still stationed in Iraq...I'm assuming they are hoping they wont be abandoned this time around.
We shall soon see, as the casualities and bombs increase, the liberation will turn into a slaughter, and the Iraqi people will realize the true intent of the US military invasion and will indeed rebel under occupation. Imperailism never suceeded in the past and it will not in the future. Make no mistake about it, this is an imperialist invasion.
How can you not come to hate a nation that drops bombs on your cities in the name of their democracy, this war is a fraud as is the presidency and this so-called liberation. The Bush regime will forever live in infamy.
Have you ... seen an ass with common sense? If you see one: trap it. You could make millions. "BEHOLD! The ass with common sense!" And the crowds would gasp in amazement as the ass would look both ways before crossing a street, think about both sides of an issue before taking an opinion and even wash off an apple before eating it (which would look truly disgusting).Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
You are truly an ass with no common sense.
I apologize for the flame, but your skewed view of world politics and events cannot go by unanswered. I'm sure your hopes & intentions are in the right place.
The American media is giving the public about 25% of the whole story and plays on the ignorance of the American people to garter support for US foreign policy, and quite frankly, it seems to be working. Rest assured, time will tell.
No physical harm has befallen me. You do not need to issue an apology but I will accept it.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
I apologize for the flame
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but your skewed view of world politics and events cannot go by unanswered.
In your opinion, they're skewed. In your opinion.
As I would imagine are yours but I don't feel the need to point out the obvious in statements such as, "You are an ass with no common sense". If my ass had common sense, he'd have left by now.Quote:
I'm sure your hopes & intentions are in the right place.
This boils down to opinion. You say hiding, I say operational security. Opinion. I've no reason to believe that anything is hiding from me and in my (shocker!) informed opinion, I don't believe that I'm being misled.Quote:
The American media is giving the public about 25% of the whole story and plays on the ignorance of the American people to garter support for US foreign policy, and quite frankly, it seems to be working. Rest assured, time will tell.
Operational security includes refusing to make public the list of companies vying for rebuilding and exploitation contracts in Iraq?Quote:
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This boils down to opinion. You say hiding, I say operational security. Opinion. I've no reason to believe that anything is hiding from me and in my (shocker!) informed opinion, I don't believe that I'm being misled.
And youre right youre not misled by the media, you do a good enough job yourself reinterpreting media reports in a way that fits in youre makebelieve world.
SCUDīs indeed.
OH MAN! YOU GOT ME THERE ALMACI MY MAN! YOUR WIT AND TACT HAS RIDDLED ME WITH BULLET HOLES OF TRUTH!Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Operational security includes refusing to make public the list of companies vying for rebuilding and exploitation contracts in Iraq?
And youre right youre not misled by the media, you do a good enough job yourself reinterpreting media reports in a way that fits in youre makebelief world.
SCUDīs indeed.
Whew. For a second there, I almost thought your opinion mattered.
And you guys say IM the one who isnt taken seriously?
Sad really, youre pathetic.
You aren't taken seriously.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
And you guys say IM the one who isnt taken seriously?
Sad really, youre pathetic.
Whatever.
I would not be so sure of that. Without sounding condenscending, I have some very sound credentials in world politics, history, and foreign relations. It is currently my work, part of my training was traveling throughout Europe and Asia after graduating college for the organization I am currently employed by.Quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
In your opinion, they're skewed. In your opinion.
However, it truly angers me to visit a discussion forum such as this one, reading haphazzard and uninformed commentary being dropped by individuals such as yourself with no clear understanding of the geo-politics and history of a region as complex as the Middle East.
Iraq is not being liberated. It is being invaded and will be used, the US and UK will give the minimum humanitarian aid required by international law after a cease fire is reached, pockets of resistance will remain, a model of occupation will emerge and a puppet regime will be installed which will continue the oppression of the Iraqi people. Internationaly speaking, the US is treading on dangerous grounds right now.
This action will without a doubt create a surge in Islamic fundamentalism, Israeli on Palestinian violence, and may even create an anti-American alliance formed by Russia, France and China, for the US is basically stealing their business as we speak.
The fairy tale of liberation is just that, a fairy tale. I live in the real world.
Can you see the future el beardo? You can't be posative on anything that happans tomorrow. You don't know whats going to happan so stop acting like you do.
Histroy repeats itself my friend.
Electric Light Orchestra...nice.
Well if you are saying that this Gulf War is exactly like the last Gulf war you are very wrong.
Talk about elitist. What is wrong with people like you? You cannot simply accept the fact that I have studied the facts and have made my opinion according to them as to how I read them, just the same as you have. That is not to say that we will never argue but it is to say that I'm beyond sick and tired of people like yourself claiming to be the only people with an "informed" opinion on world matters.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
However, it truly angers me to visit a discussion forum such as this one, reading haphazzard and uninformed commentary being dropped by individuals such as yourself with no clear understanding of the geo-politics and history of a region as complex as the Middle East.
In your opinion.Quote:
Iraq is not being liberated.
Again, in your opinion.Quote:
It is being invaded and will be used, the US and UK will give the minimum humanitarian aid required by international law after a cease fire is reached, pockets of resistance will remain, a model of occupation will emerge and a puppet regime will be installed which will continue the oppression of the Iraqi people.
That's what they said about Reagan, too.Quote:
Internationaly speaking, the US is treading on dangerous grounds right now.
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This action will without a doubt create a surge in Islamic fundamentalism,
You mean... the people who have formed groups to try to kill us may try to form groups to try to kill us?!?!
Stealing? So, when the fighting is over and the people get to choose from whom they buy, if they choose American... it's stealing?Quote:
Israeli on Palestinian violence, and may even create an anti-American alliance formed by Russia, France and China, for the US is basically stealing their business as we speak.
If you say so.Quote:
The fairy tale of liberation is just that, a fairy tale.
I live in Subcon.Quote:
I live in the real world.
Eh, we are clearly on a different page. Of course it is not like the last gulf war.Quote:
Originally posted by Clash_Master
Well if you are saying that this Gulf War is exactly like the last Gulf war you are very wrong.
Read up on the British imperialism of the 1800s, the American policies in the Middle East since 1945, the British/American support of Saddam in the the 1980s and then we can discuss this topic. There is a clear pattern that will emerge once you study up on your history. Cheers.
That was only 20 years ago. In the grand scheme of history 20 years is nothing. Reagan and Bush will be discussed in the same breath 150 years down the line.Quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
That's what they said about Reagan, too.
And from reading the posts here, the only elitist is you.
Well I am not going to read about any of that stuff just to let you know. Mainley because I don't care that much I guess.
I thought you were talking about what the result of the first Gulf War was going to be the same as whatever the result of this war will be. We were indeed not on the same page.
Sure history may repeat itself, but that does not mean that this upcoming events will be carbon copies of any previous piece of history.
Because I ask that you accept the fact that I think before I claim an opinion, too? How is it that, if I do the same thing as you (thinking an opinion through), I'm an elitist? All I ask is that you accept the fact that my opinion is also informed. I don't ask that you embrace it but that you accept it.Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
And from reading the posts here, the only elitist is you.
If that's elitist, well, whatever. We've got different gauges.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy Carter
Because I ask that you accept the fact that I think before I claim an opinion, too? How is it that, if I do the same thing as you (thinking an opinion through), I'm an elitist? All I ask is that you accept the fact that my opinion is also informed. I don't ask that you embrace it but that you accept it.
Ok so you guys all have opinions, and you believe you have done the proper research to support your beliefs. So then who is to say who is right or who is wrong?