I wonder if any of them were just slackers who decided that an anti-war protest would be better than going to class? Hehe.
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I wonder if any of them were just slackers who decided that an anti-war protest would be better than going to class? Hehe.
Oh no doubt... I mean there is a theater department here.*
*this was a gross generalization, and intended to be a joke... sorta
HAHAHA.
Ah, man, do you think they'll perform Cabaret this year? Or maybe Les Miserables?
*snicker*
I think many of the protestors are misguided college youth who are jumping on the bandwagon and have a lead a life without any purpose, spoiled and rich, 20 years from now they will be soccer moms and dads with SUVs who could give a damn about Iraq...however there are a few who have legitimate grievances, check the Amnesty International website there are countless countries who torture political prisoners...lets attack them next.
Well I can't really comment on California or it's situation, but I think they should be able to protest the war any way they want. I myself didn't leave class to protest (as our protests were scheduled when most classes were out). Where it goes from there is their problem. The protests at OU stayed about war, not education. What's the use in getting an education when you can't use it. I applaud the ones who left class to take part in something more important. School will be there tomorrow (and apparently, so will the war) so I don't think they are putting their education over the military. It seems like an indirect, very vague connection. I think education should be put over the military because we spend more than is necessary on our Armed Forces. But in Oklahoma, our bases provide a lot of jobs. So while I think the military is important, it's not so important that we keep our children stupid while the lucky (and wealthy) get the education and opportunities. Seems like a ramble I know, but I just got back from a basketball game and I'm dead tired.
SC
BTW, Cabaret is being performed at OU sometime this weekend.
We've had two of anti-war protests in the past 3 weeks, and your description pretty much sums up what I've seen too.Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
Are you sure about that?
At my school they had a walkout protest against the war before the war started. They ("they" being the anti-war protestors, I dunno who organized it originally) also turned it into a protest against the fact that the Regents and our wise old governor Grey Davis are arbitrarily slashing budgets and raising fees (thanks to Davis' amazing incompetence, this state has a deficit greater than the other 49 put together).
They said that the government needs to stop putting the military over education.
Sounds like a worthy cause, right SC? Im sure you know a lot about rising education fees.
Keep in mind, this was a walkout. From class.
They left class to go to the anti-war protest.
They cut class to go to the anti-war protest.
Let's not forget the disruption they caused trying to get people to walk out. They disrupted people in class.
That simple action points to the absurdity of such a demonstration - they themselves were putting the military (and its actions) over their education.
When I left my class and went down to the protest site, they were not protesting the education, they were protesting the war... while they snatched "pro-war" signs and basically stiflied their right to protest (there was actually a picture of such an event occurring from here on Yahoo News, but I cant find it anymore, unfortunately).
It was then when I realized that this knee-jerk protest movement was going nowhere, and saying nothing.
I know this professor, great guy and even supports the right to protest, but points out that getting a solid education now makes you a better person when you hit the 'real world' and therefore being able to affect things in the direction you want. He says he understands that people will get passionate about what they believe, but take some responsibility and get your act together now so you're just that much more effective in the future.
The people who did that prioritized the military (protesting against the war) over their education (going to class). I mean, cmon... you can spend your time in class, learning, or you can yell out "fuck Bush!" and flash the peace (Victory) sign and what not... I mean, sure, its their time and their (parent's) money, but... those that chose to go to the protest definitely did not choose to put their education first! Like you said, those of us lucky to be in college should be working hard to try to come out better, more informed, more able people so that we can affect change in a real way. Sure it's idealistic, maybe too much so, but it's how I feel.
Thats how I saw it, at least. Sure, SC, you may say Im an idiot or stupid or dumb or an asshole for thinking like that , but thats how I witnessed the event, and that's something that many mentioned in the newspaper over the next few days.
Let me ask you this - do you define "using your education" by skipping class to go and wave around a poster that says "Bush is evil" and listen to some guy on stage scream out "let me hear you from the front! Now from the back!" like it was a fucking football game while you harass people with opinions different from your own?
I dunno, but Im glad Im not using my education for such silly pursuits. It was a joke, it really was, and eroded a lot of respect I had for these protestors, particularly because they disrupted by education by clamoring loudly and making a lot of noise when it was supposed to start.
As for the aside... I dont know what they're doing... the theater program and UCLAlive! puts on hundreds of shows a year... I don't think Cabaret is part of the program (they're probably playing it somewhere in Los Angeles, anyway). I know that they have a very respected composer from Japan coming here to do Bach tomorrow. Lots of cool stuff, they do here.
Well you're right...in theory. That's the way it should work, but it is too idealistic. My father once (or maybe several times) told me that 90% of what you learn in school is not learned in the classroom. This goes double for college. College is just as much about what you experience as it is what you read in a textbook. It's a very frantic time and everyone wants to have their voice heard. While I have also been witness to some stupid protests (ones that are more for media coverage than saying anything of substance), it's something that these people want to experience and I think they come out of this with a better understanding of an aspect of life, something you can't get from reading a book or listening to a professor.Quote:
Originally posted by diffusionx
The people who did that prioritized the military (protesting against the war) over their education (going to class). I mean, cmon... you can spend your time in class, learning, or you can yell out "fuck Bush!" and flash the peace (Victory) sign and what not... I mean, sure, its their time and their (parent's) money, but... those that chose to go to the protest definitely did not choose to put their education first! Like you said, those of us lucky to be in college should be working hard to try to come out better, more informed, more able people so that we can affect change in a real way. Sure it's idealistic, maybe too much so, but it's how I feel.
I didn't say anything of the sort. I called you a dumbass once for insinuating that I had no personal feelings on this war and that really incensed me. Maybe it was overboard, but I have a habit of overreacting. Ask Bahn. :pQuote:
Thats how I saw it, at least. Sure, SC, you may say Im an idiot or stupid or dumb or an asshole for thinking like that , but thats how I witnessed the event, and that's something that many mentioned in the newspaper over the next few days.
I don't think skipping class is the point. Bush is evil. :D Anyways, I can't speak for everyone, but I find the signless, silent protests more effective. At one that I attended, someone set up a booth with information on the war and what lead up to the U.S. using force. So I think the idea lends itself to using education quite well. But you do live in LA and those people are a little whacko. However, I can respect their right to sometimes just let out frustration over something. I've done it. It's very theraputic. Anyways, don't lose respect for them just because they are anti-war. Talk to some of them and you may find that they are actually really cool. They are still people after all. So next time, join them and the experience even if you are their opposing their ideas. Tune them into the kind of discussions we have here at TNL...wait, forget that last part. :)Quote:
Let me ask you this - do you define "using your education" by skipping class to go and wave around a poster that says "Bush is evil" and listen to some guy on stage scream out "let me hear you from the front! Now from the back!" like it was a fucking football game while you harass people with opinions different from your own?
I dunno, but Im glad Im not using my education for such silly pursuits. It was a joke, it really was, and eroded a lot of respect I had for these protestors, particularly because they disrupted by education by clamoring loudly and making a lot of noise when it was supposed to start.
SC
Bush isnt evil, he is more of an experiment in brainwashing that seems to be a success. He is some sort of demigod, it is really bizarre.
btw:::
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf
The answers to all this madness are there.
Also, ex-CIA director, James Woolsey also stated today that America has brought about WWIV, taking what we want and claiming it is a war for democracy...
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/03/spr...war/index.html
Put 2 and 2 together people.
= )
Holy shit, I totally missed III! Stupid Wind Waker...Quote:
Originally posted by elBeardoAlwaysWins
Also, ex-CIA director, James Woolsey also stated today that America has brought about WWIV,