We need new Miyamoto series

Playing Wind Waker has made me realize more than ever that we need new franchises from Miyamoto.

I'm only a few hours into Wind Waker and although it's an excellent game, there's still too much of a been there done that feeling. I'm not saying that Wind Waker is flawed or an unworthy sequel. It's as good of a sequel as could be expected from such a long running series. If someone has this as their first Zelda experience, they will be in gaming heaven.

I just miss having a brand new Miyamoto experience. Pikmin had that fresh Nintendo magic feeling for me but it wasn't quite as epic as Mario or Zelda. I would really love to see Miyamoto and EAD give us something completely new with the same kind of effort that's put into Mario and Zelda games.

Do you agree/disagree?

I'm wondering, how much creative freedom do Nintendo teams have? Are things less or more restrictive in the post-Yamauchi era?

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
I'm only a few hours into Wind Waker and although it's an excellent game, there's still too much of a been there done that feeling. I'm not saying that Wind Waker is flawed or an unworthy sequel. It's as good of a sequel as could be expected from such a long running series.

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Yes, THANK YOU Neo... I knew I wasnt the only one that felt this.

Miyamato is a damn good game designer... but yea I wish he did more new stuff.

I wholeheatedly agree with everything in that post. I personally am not happy with Nintendo throwing Miyamoto around to all the devs, sprinkling his magic fairy dust around to everyone, because frankly it's leaving a lot to be desired, weather it's because of him or not. I mean, I'm not one that thinks he's Jesus incarnate or whatever, but I definitely think he's an extremely talented designer, and easily the best creator to bring out the child in me. But playing the same games over and over loses that feeling to me. I want great new characters, a new world, new theme musics, etc. Pikmin was great, and did some of this, but was still far, far too short.

I had thought that the reason StarFox and F-Zero were being outsourced was to free up EAD resources for such projects, but since SMS and, in japan, Wind Waker fell short of sales expectations, Nintendo has appearently taken this as a sign that they need more mario and zelda sequels...

When else, besides Rise of the Robots, has a developer used the shortcomings of a game as a reson for a sequel? Nintendo's digging their grave here.

I think Miyamoto's become more interested in the financial and business aspects of the industry. He doesn't seem that concerned with original game ideas that much, aside from Pikmin.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
When else, besides Rise of the Robots, has a developer used the shortcomings of a game as a reson for a sequel? Nintendo's digging their grave here.

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Hey, at least I got a cool T-shirt out of Rise of the Robots. :p

I haven't even played Wind Wanker and I agree simply because I have no desire to play it. I've played all the console Zeldas up to now and I'm personally bored with the characters and settings now, especially when they're not taken in a new direction. WW is visually very different, but it's not a movie, it's a game, and the gameplay is too similar to what I already know.

EAD is supposedly working on a couple all new games, one of which should be at e3. They may not be Miyamoto-produced games, as not all EAD games are. I certainly don't think he will direct again, but perhaps he will create a new character or something, like he did with Pikmin.

I agree though, that EAD needs to come up with a new series as memorable as Mario, Zelda, or Star Fox. I think it will be something unlike those series though, something less epic. I believe this because;
-EAD development teams and development times are getting smaller
-Miyamoto hinted at wanting to make games simpler and more accesible, much like most of Nintendo's 2D games

I really want to see the Nintendo magic again as well, but, let's face it. Why should they?

Let's face facts, the majority of PS2 owners don't try new things. They are the casual gamers. They'll continue to purchase FFX-6, MGS25, GTA5, and the like. Nintendo looks at this trend, and I suppose they figure why should they do so much new only to have their ideas implemented in the competition's games?

Hopefully, the next gen will be a closer race for top spot, so that maybe we all will see a lot more innovative titles from all developers.

I definitely agree...how many new EAD developed franchises did we see on N64? None I think...and off the top of my head, Smash Bros, Wave Race, 1080, and Custom Robo were the only new Nintendo "franchises".

It does seem like Miyamoto is less and less involved in the game creation though. If I'm not mistaken, WW was headed by Aonuma and Sunshine was directed by another guy whose name escapes me.

Here's to hoping though. You do kinda wish he would take a Saturn/DC-era Sonic Team approach and try all sorts of different stuff.

I don't think Nintendo's in a position to go all Sega and hope the public takes to the next Pikmin or whatever in droves. They need high profile games, and sequels to their biggest franchises are the best way to do that.

And I can't believe you guys bagging on Wind Waker. From what I've played so far, it's incredible, and I think it controls even better than OoT. Mind you, I never played Majora's Mask, so maybe I'm not as burnt out on the subject as some.

I also think it's way too early to write it off as a sales bomb - the NA preorders have been fantastic. Yeah, it was due to the free game, but there's sill definite interest there. Besides, once people unlock the prostitute-sniping mini game, sales are gonna go through the roof.