And now some obligatory French Porn:
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And now some obligatory French Porn:
Because it can (and does) cut both ways.Quote:
Originally posted by Sidez and tweaked for Kantian Pleasure
Continue living in your wonderful little dream world where anything anti-palestinian must equal pro-Israel-super-zionist-conspiracy-to-take-over-the-world and where the actions of a few dictate the feelings of the whole nation.
I'm thinking that's the way the world works...there's soooooo much information, information that contradicts or counters other information, and so many passionate, opinionated people that, honestly...?
I don't understand the arguing.
Kinda like this anti-semite thing...you admit it doesn't happen widespread in Europe because there aren't many Jews hanging around. You say the Germans have a Turkish-hate thing going on...the very country who demanded peaceful negotiations all the way to the bitter end.
One and the other add up to look like a front to me. But hey, that's me...
Where are the outcries that Germany should have no right to preach peace when it has its own bigotry? I know America has gotten its fair share of flak for being this perpetually white-capitalist-racist land of the free, and I get to hear that from day to day, so it's kind of suprising to hear that, yes, the same types of going-ons happen outside the US as well.
I thought everyone else was so civilized, and we were like the barbaric cowboys or something. So how could there be such archaic ideas as bigotry, prejudice, and racism outside the country that so many presume to the birthplace and only breeding ground of such - the US?
But I guess it boils down to that information overload thing - you only ever read or hear a fraction of what's going on and allow yourself to only believe a fraction of that. But in reality, with so many contradictions running around, how else do you keep sane?
Urm the bigger the minority the more threatened the indiginous people feel, hence more rascism, it happens everywhere.
For Stone etcetera yes most Jews in places like Paris and antwerp and indeed NYc live in the same areas.
These aint ghetto´s tough and most of them choose to live together in larger comunities for personal and religious reasons.
To somehow blame the French for Jews living in the same neighborhouds is quite revolting and further proof of youre personal biases.
And as for Sidez, at least he is making some sort of argument, wich is much more then can be said of Stone and cohorts who just ridicule and make personal attacks.
Actually, all involved are making very good arguments in all ways. I fail to see, however, what relevance the above comment about Jewish folks living close to one another has in connection with the French being/not being anti-Semitic.Quote:
For Stone etcetera yes most Jews in places like Paris and antwerp and indeed NYc live in the same areas.
These aint ghetto´s tough and most of them choose to live together in larger comunities for personal and religious reasons. To somehow blame the French for Jews living in the same neighborhouds is quite revolting and further proof of youre personal biases. And as for Sidez, at least he is making some sort of argument, wich is much more then can be said of Stone and cohorts who just ridicule and make personal attacks.
"To somehow blame the French for Jews living in the same neighborhouds is quite revolting and further proof of youre personal biases."
That sentence makes no sense in the context of the argument. Nobody was blaming them for that; I believe that the argument was whether it was the Muslim extremists or the anti-Semitic French doing the bad things to Mosques and whatnot.
However, the personal attacks are kind of silly. Are tempers really that flaring that we need to insult one another during a debate?
:/ I didn't read the entire thread but I'm going to guess that "things got out of hand.."
I would guess the message is some French people can be ruthlessly shitty. France is populated with no more or less jerks than any other nation (thats per capita). The USA has all sorts of jackasses who are capable of this sort of thing and France is no diffrent.
I think maybe the US reaction to Frances refusal to go to war has cause another reaction by the French to mislike The USA and the UK as strongly as that is potrayed in the media (O'Riley desires France to be plunged into depression - something that is like wishing Lepercy on a people).
Anyway - I doubt even Stone and Carter think that the French are wholy dispicable, but I don't think that they are suprised.
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Edit: I just saw Sidez custom stat. Hehe...
Today I talked to one of my French lecturers about this (she is head of French at Cardiff) and she agreed with me 100%. Stone, i've layed the facts before you and done my best to educate you on these issues. Take it or continue your ignorance.
Stone: I'll just wager that if a hard-line Facist-like politician actually ran in the USA and weilded that language well enough he'd get such a precentage as Le Pen. I think Pat Buchanan should run again and prove this right.
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Sidez... good idea.
From page 5 on all I did was scan through for the chicks.
I respect what everyone in here is trying to do, but just about everyone in these political threads has resorted to name calling or acting like a complete jackass at some point.
This thread tastes like shit.
Merde?