Affirmative Action? For/Against?

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Originally posted by Kidnemo
WI expects parents to pay 70% (or more) of their childs college tuition.

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I wish that my parents hadn't paid for my tuition. I think if I'd had to pay for it on my own and get financial aid on my own, I probably wouldn't have screwed up so bad the first semester (which permanently damaged my record). I don't know how I feel about that law. 70% is a lot of money. The law is in reference to state public colleges only, right? That would suck if you lived in WI and your kid was going to Yale and you had to pay 70% of their tuition. Yikes!

My parents were only able to pay like 40% of my tuition even though the EFC they got back from the FAFSA form was close to all of it. I think those EFC's are rather unreasonable.

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Originally posted by Calliander
I wish that my parents hadn't paid for my tuition. I think if I'd had to pay for it on my own and get financial aid on my own, I probably wouldn't have screwed up so bad the first semester (which permanently damaged my record). I don't know how I feel about that law. 70% is a lot of money. The law is in reference to state public colleges only, right? That would suck if you lived in WI and your kid was going to Yale and you had to pay 70% of their tuition. Yikes!

My parents were only able to pay like 40% of my tuition even though the EFC they got back from the FAFSA form was close to all of it. I think those EFC's are rather unreasonable.

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I'm not really sure, I'm guessing it only applies to state schools (shes went to two colleges already, but both in the state)...but honestly I'm not really sure.

I can agree with you about wasting you first semester. It seems like a lot of kids just go to college right after graduating because its just "what you do" and end up fucking off for the next four years.

I'd love to go back to college now, just to learn and enrich myself, not with an ultimate goal of getting a job.

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Originally posted by Kidnemo
I'd love to go back to college now, just to learn and enrich myself, not with an ultimate goal of getting a job.

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Yeah, I know. I feel so stupid like 90% of the time. Unless I'm talking about my job or something related to it, I really don't know that much.

Aside from Super Mario Kart, of course. I own everyone in that game. Heh.

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Originally posted by Calliander
Yeah, I know. I feel so stupid like 90% of the time. Unless I'm talking about my job or something related to it, I really don't know that much.

Aside from Super Mario Kart, of course. I own everyone in that game. Heh.

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I've only taken some college courses, never went a full semester or anything...so my Mario Kart skills might not be quite up to par. :)

Yeah I agree. While I didn't like the fact that I had to wait 3 years before going to college, I think it was worth it in retrospect. I learned a lot about life and how to live in the real world. It really prepared me for college more than high school ever did. 2 years ago, I felt like Kidnemo does; wanting to just go to school to learn, not really thinking about a job. Since I've been in college, so many things have opened up and I was prepared to handle all of them thanks to the time I took off. Maybe it looks like I screwed up by dropping out and getting a job, but in the end I feel like it was one of the best decisions I've ever made.

SC

Hey, nobody has any right to judge your decisions except you. If anyone questions you, I say sock 'em right in the eye. Or the general facial area, if you're not a good aim.

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Originally posted by Calliander
I probably wouldn't have screwed up so bad the first semester (which permanently damaged my record).

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You should look into retaking the courses. At quite a few of the Texas schools, you can retake a course and whatever new grade you get can replace the old grade. The old grade gets completely stricken from any and all records. Pretty nice. :D Your school may have a policy something like it...?

Against.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
If someone was born in Newark/Compton and they toughed it out, didn't get involved with gangs, drugs, all that shit, worked their ass off, dealt with racism, dealt with the shit public education, still came out with *good qualifications... not great compared to Muffy of Madison, NJ (or Bel-Air), but damn fucking amazing considering what they had to work with*, then yes, I think they do deserve some help because they had to work way harder than Muffy ever did.

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Yes, the type of person you just described deserves a little help. Why? Because he's poor. Being black has nothing to do with it.

AA is detrimental to both sides. Obviously, whites are hurt- for the typical white student today, there's the possibility of getting rejected from a school in favor of another student who may not be as qualified as the white kid, but gets accepted over him simply because he's black. And what kind of message is AA sending out to the minority groups? "Wow! You're black, and you're applying to college? Geez, shouldn't you be out in the hood mugging and shooting people or something? Here's 20 extra points, simply because you're here and not in jail or on some street corner selling drugs!" This policy simply lowers expectations for blacks and other minorities. This leads to minorities lowering expectations for themselves.

I'm good friends with a kid who lives a couple of blocks away from me. His house is a little bigger than mine, his parents make as much/more money than my parents do, and he goes to a respectable prep school. He's black. Why should he be given an advantage over me when we're applying to college?

If we want to eliminate racism, we need to stop practicing it.

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Originally posted by Schlep
You should look into retaking the courses. At quite a few of the Texas schools, you can retake a course and whatever new grade you get can replace the old grade. The old grade gets completely stricken from any and all records. Pretty nice. :D Your school may have a policy something like it...?

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They had a policy where I could "cover up" my past record with the classes I retook. Unfortunately, when I was in the CT State University System, they did not overwrite my grades. It was rather crappy. Now, I have my full-time computer service job and don't have the time (or money) between dealing with work, girlfriend and living with parents to get back to school.

I'm probably moving to Brentwood, CA in July this year, so I might be able to wait a year and go to UCLA and try to continue my education. It would definitely be awesome. :chick:

On one hand though, I don't feel bad for the white males that had every advantage to succeed and barely got beaten out and feel "cheated". I do however feel bad for those that worked very hard and came from nothing only to find they have been beaten out by someone who may in all likelyhood be less deserving.

The system tries to level the playing field for those that didn't have the same opportunities throughout life, to assume that is 100% corrolary to the color of your skin isn't just racist, its ludicrous. Why can't they come up with something better? It makes me so angry. So many people deserving a better life and not getting it. And many people riding the coattails on a flawed system.

I'm getting worked up, I'm outta here.