Nintendo Fights Back

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here are the main things about the article.

"Nintendo is already considering a bundle between the Game Boy Player and the GameCube this fall."

"Shigeru Miyamoto agreed with criticism that the [Super Mario Sunshine] game was too hard. ... The word has since come from up high to make games less challenging."

"[Nintendo's E3] focus will be on third-party titles, rather than homegrown Nintendo games."

"Harrison's gut feeling is online Nintendo games are 'probably a few years away.'"

i think Nintendo would be better off doing a GBA/SP bundle then a GB Player bundle.

as for making games easier, im okay with that. difficulty doesn't equal fun to me. games can be easy and fun.
still, if gameplay has to be dumbed down to make a game easier, or more simple, then fuck that.

about the focusing on third party, what's new? maybe we'll just see more results at this years E3 if anything.

the online gaming thing sorta hurts, but go figure.

one thing that i don't get, 3rd party support being Nintendo's main focus at E3. what's that about? whatever happen to more new franchises then old ones? and the GBA/GameCube Connectivity?

Maybe Nintendo just realises they can't do it on their own, and should embrace third party software.

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Originally posted by Andrew
Maybe Nintendo just realises they can't do it on their own, and should embrace third party software.

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maybe?

you'd think Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear would have been obvious enougn.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton

The word has since come from up high to make games less challenging."

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Err...

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"Harrison's gut feeling is online Nintendo games are 'probably a few years away.'"

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Err...

They probably thought the block jumping was too hard, which it was in most stages. The block jumping in that level with the windmill was outrageous.

I eventually got it though, it just takes patience, but most new gamers don't have patience and they bang more for their buck then people who do.

Oh.

Well Bowser was a pretty big joke but the volcano platforming stage to get to him was no picnic. Great game, though. I liked it a lot.

sunshine being too challenging should really be the least of his worries...
he should be concerned about making the next mario game not suck in general.

I thought the challenge was just right, but a far cry from certain areas of previous SMB games.

Easier games = ass, but luckily Nintendo can make easy = fun (Wind Waker).

I'll see, I guess. We NEED hard games once in a while, though. Thank god for Treasure.

Sunshine was hard? Except for that stupid lava boat at the end, and some camera foibles during the void minigames, I thought the game was really easy.

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Originally posted by Doug Branches
What kind of pussies thought this game was hard? It was too easy if anything

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Not everyone is an uber-gamer, dude. My mom had no problem with Mario 64 or TOOT, but SMS was too tough for her.

I have mixed feelings about all of that. I dunno... My biggest pet peeve is the easier games thing... But, I just want games to be fun, so, if they can make them more fun then ever, go for it. Mario and Zelda have never been about challange, and as far as games like Mario Tennis, Smash, Kart, and basically anything that isn't Mario or Zelda, those usually start off easy but have harder difficultities anyway. I don't see much of a difference by this announcement. :-)

The hard concept was explained by Miyamoto.

He wasn't saying it was hard because of game difficulty, he said he wanted Mario games to be easy to get into(Pick up and play) but he felt that Sunshine didn't follow that path. So it's not really the difficulty factor.

oh right, i remember him talking about that.

The only frustrating part about Sunshine was the platforming.

And playing through the same level 7 times.

:(

I wanted Mario Kart Online...

Well Mario markets towards every age group, meaning that a lot of little kids like to play it, so yeah difficulty may have been much (Which is why I like games that have difficulty choices). Though I still don't think Sunshine was too hard, my 4 year old Nephew can beat some of the levels. Something that adds to difficulty for little kids, is 3-D, moving around in so many directions can be a pain in the ass for sure.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton
"Shigeru Miyamoto agreed with criticism that the [Super Mario Sunshine] game was too hard. ... The word has since come from up high to make games less challenging."

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God Damnit! It was not that hard, people just suck! Thats the only conclusion I can come up with. Its not hard to move mario around, its not hard to jump from platform to platform, and its not hard to control the fucking camera! So now thanks to a bunch of suck pots Nintendo wants him to dumb down the games!? :: throws chair through window ::

so did everyone ignore Chojin's post?

what i think was also the problem with sunshine was not that it was too hard, but that it didn't ease the player into the game. it basically assumed you were completely comfortable with it completely.. basically you had already completed mario 64 was the assumption, which may not be the case for some of the younger kids who ended up with the game.

i think that mario sunshine could've used about 2 more levels at the front which were smaller/easier and another big nice one at the back end. great though. i doubt we'll see them dumbing down/making the games easier, but they'll make them more accessible.

That's what was great about the 2D Mario games. You could play and beat the game if you were an average player. You would find all of the magical hidden areas and everything else if you were into looking for it/a great player. As great as Mario 64 was and as good as SMS was they don't have the same accessability as the 2D games.

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Originally posted by Hero
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I wanted Mario Kart Online...

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Take heart my friend... if the LAN set-up works via the ethernet adapter, Gamespy will almost certainly be able to give us online play.

If you are waiting for internet play by nintendo, you are going to wait for a while. One of the higher ups recently said they are '2-3' years away from doing that.

Might be BS to lull the competition, but I don't think so.

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Originally posted by MVS
If you are waiting for internet play by nintendo, you are going to wait for a while. One of the higher ups recently said they are '2-3' years away from doing that.

Might be BS to lull the competition, but I don't think so.

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if they could at least get some 3rd parties to use the network adaptor then i wouldnt care so much

other than phantasy star and ikaruga using it to upload rankings i think the only other game to use it is going to be NFL Blitz Pro and NHL Hitz Pro

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Originally posted by Hero
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I wanted Mario Kart Online...

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Of course you do. So does every other gamer on the planet. Why Nintendo is ignoring online play, I have no idea.

But wait, I thought they were "the last company that really cares about gamers". Hmm...

Nintendo only cares about the bottom line. And virgins. Lots of them.

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Originally posted by StriderKyo
Nintendo only cares about the bottom line. And virgins. Lots of them.

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Heheh, he said 'bottom.'

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Originally posted by StriderKyo
Nintendo only cares about the bottom line. And virgins. Lots of them.

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if you ran a multi-billion dollar company youd just care about virgins too *LOL*

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Of course you do. So does every other gamer on the planet. Why Nintendo is ignoring online play, I have no idea.

But wait, I thought they were "the last company that really cares about gamers". Hmm...

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I have a feeling they will release Poke'man Stadium for online play. It won't require fast ping times, so the game will be accesible to both 56K and Broadband players. They probably don't want Yu-Gi-Oh to use the same ideas, before they release their game.