Reminds me of...
"I'm a marketing manager who lives in the suburbs and commutes to work on the highway. I live alone, so of course I needed a car that can seat 12 and is equipped to drive across arctic tundra... it just makes me feel better!"
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Reminds me of...
"I'm a marketing manager who lives in the suburbs and commutes to work on the highway. I live alone, so of course I needed a car that can seat 12 and is equipped to drive across arctic tundra... it just makes me feel better!"
I don't care if it's been posted before but I'll say it again. You're going to WRECK it. Your first car should be a shit car, I don't give a fuck who you are.
Mode7 :lol:
JM
why get an H2 when you can get a Suburban? H2 == Box-like Suburban.
Dude, PLEASE dont be so hypocritical. youre the one who whines about how youre going to have to drive your mom's beat up truck and how you cant drive the fucking Explorer all over the place.Quote:
Originally posted by Box Drink
what the fuck shold you care what you're getting, it's not like you have to buy it...
and how is it that you managed to make 14 retarded posts in one thread?
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Originally posted by 88mph
Yeah... thats about it. Fucking rich ass faggot.
I hate people who get things without working for them. Fuck you and your family.
Just wanted to point out that a deer would be fucking destroyed by a Hummer if hit by one.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Not if the damn thing flips over because you don't know how to drive it. I'll admit I'd rather drive a Hummer than a Volvo, but a Volvo is tons safer. Just ask the deer I killed with one a few nights ago.
Man, for the price of an H2 I could get, what, like three or four fully loaded Mini Cooper S's. I wish I could afford even one.
Hear, hear!Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
sphere, don't take offense with the following, I'm just being blunt.
American. Heh.
Did you know that GM produces alot of its parts and vehicles in Mexico? Jobs that used to belong to Americans are now in Mexico -- imagine that!
Dodge is Chrysler -- or should I say, DaimlerChrysler. In other words, they are no longer American, they are German. Corporate HQ is registered in Stuttgart, Jürgen E. Schrempp is their Chairman.
Bad example. Again, Crysler is teh Deutsch now.
Well, ok then. We'll put my 1998 Fnord Taurus 6-cylinder up against a 1998 Toyota Camry 6-cylinder.
Alternators from AutoZone.com
Toyota: Duralast Import 90 Amp - $137.23
Fnord: Duralast 130 Amp - $139.99
You're too late, the industry already sold itself out. It's not the consumers' fault -- that's just the breaks when it comes to capitalism. People got hooked on the imports in the 70s and 80s when our own manufacturers were slacking, which allowed the Japanese, Germans, Koreans and almost everyone else an opportunity to get into the market. From there, they lowered costs by involving Americans in their production processes, which created jobs for Americans.
Is this a bad thing?
No, I don't think so. While it's true that we don't own as large a piece of the auto-pie as we once did, we most likely make more money off the industry as a whole now than we ever have before -- so does everyone else. It's part of that globalization of the economy thing that some people seem to hate. I don't see how this can be bad when companies now transcend country borders and become international entities -- everyone makes money. The Japanese pay us to assemble their cars that we sell in our own market -- some of the money from the sale goes to the American branch of the Japanese company and gets recycled back into our economy, while some of the money goes back to Japan. Then the Japanese buy crap from our McDonalds and our Nike and etc., so we get the money back. It's a nice system.
Toyota makes cars in America. Nissan is partially owned by Renault. Mazda is partially owned by Fnord. Most major Japanese car makers have deals with the Americans and Germans. Loyalty.. right.
Please try to be a little less xenophobic.
Gon
Gon: Thanks. :)
Ok, I'll grant that.Quote:
Originally posted by Wildkat
No, excellent example. When these cars were made, Chrysler was 100% american.
Exactly. It has nothing to do with Americans not wanting to support American products, however; the cause here is Toyota's brand is stronger due to better marketing and better perceived quality. People will think, "Oh, that's made by Toyota -- my 1987 Camry lasted 500,000 miles, I'll buy this because it's better than that Chevy piece of garbage that will probably die like my 1975 Chevy did way back when."Quote:
Chevy Prizm Vs. Toyota Corrola. The prizm has a lower resale value simply becuase it has Chevy badges.
Well, the Xbox also sucks... There's no motivation for the Japanese to buy it.Quote:
Ever wonder why the Xbox is constantly considered the "Gajin" (sp?) console? Becuase Microsoft is american.
So? We also rely on Taiwan and other asian countries for our computer parts. We get most of our oil from other countries as well. We do export tons of stuff also, so the money does get back to us, one way or another.Quote:
Japanese people buy Japanese. Sure they eat those $2.99 big macs, and $75 pairs of Nikes, but were buying $30,000 cars, financing through the Japaneese manufacturers, putting even more money that ships over seas.
Maybe, but the American public isn't going to think this way unless they are convinced to do so. There is a definate reason Fnord is hurting right now -- and that's because they keep putting out crap cars. They had a good thing going with their truck and car lines, but they sabotaged it over a period of 5-10 years with crappy quality control and bad decisions. The public finally caught on, and now people are buying products from other companies. That's how capitalism works -- patriotism has nothing to do with it.Quote:
And for what exactly? The percieved relability of "Japanese" Products? Its crap... for every toyota with 200,000 miles I can find a Ford Chevy, or even a pre-daimler Chrysler with as much.
Yea, I know - I've seen Roger and Me. I'm not not saying GM or any other "American" car maker is neccesarily "innocent", but it also could be looked at as they're just doing what they have to to compete.Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
American. Heh.
Did you know that GM produces alot of its parts and vehicles in Mexico? Jobs that used to belong to Americans are now in Mexico -- imagine that!
Really? NO SHIT! I've bitched about that very thing on these very boards. About our our SEC allowed a perfectly healthy American automaker ( with billions of dollars in cash reserves ) to be taken over by a bloated German automaker, Germany would have NEVER allowed it to happen the other way, which if anything is how it should have happened. But I suppose the fact that falsified prospectus reports and general mis-representations occurred is all part of "globalization", correct? Multi-million dollar shareholder lawsuits must come with that territory too......Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
Dodge is Chrysler -- or should I say, DaimlerChrysler. In other words, they are no longer American, they are German. Corporate HQ is registered in Stuttgart, Jürgen E. Schrempp is their Chairman.
Well the Chryslers sitting in my driveway aren't "teh Deutsch". In fact, most of the Chrysler models out now are still throwbacks to Chrysler Corp ( from before when nearly all of the management, engineers, etc. ran off to GM and Ford post "merger" ). The Chrysler Crossfire is based off of an SLK ( and even assembled in Germany ) and unfortunately Dodge Ram vans have been replaced with Mercedes Sprinter vans, ugh. But then again, I've haven't bought any cars from DAIMLERchrysler.Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
Bad example. Again, Crysler is teh Deutsch now.
Yea, the key word there is "Duralast". ( but you do get 40 more amps for $3 more with the Ford ). Let's check OEM parts prices:Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
Well, ok then. We'll put my 1998 Fnord Taurus 6-cylinder up against a 1998 Toyota Camry 6-cylinder.
Alternators from AutoZone.com
Toyota: Duralast Import 90 Amp - $137.23
Fnord: Duralast 130 Amp - $139.99
Lynch Toyota (860)646-4321
1998 Camry 3.0 V6 alternator: $342.26
Ray Seraphin Ford (860)871-0094
1998 Taurus 3.0 V6 alternator: $211.32
$131 more for basically the SAME part? Must be the overseas shipping costs....
I rest my case. You aren't going to win that arguement, generally speaking ( obviously not ALWAYS ) you are going to pay more ( sometimes alot more ) for a Japanese, German, South Korean ( especially ) part than you are for an American-sourced one. End of story.
Again, I'm not absolving the "Big Three" of any wrongdoing, but the general attitude that "we make shit" from the American public can't help either. GM should start up another nameplate ( ala Saturn ) and name it Hondota or something really Japanese sounding, and just re-body a Cavalier or Saturn and watch the sales differences ( and complaint differences too ). But just to keep ignorant Americans happy, they can still feel free to plaster "God Bless America" and "United We Stand" along with American flags all over thier Hondas, Toyota's, Mitsubishis ( bomb Pearl Harbor much? ), etc. That certainly makes me feel "proud".Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
You're too late, the industry already sold itself out. It's not the consumers' fault -- that's just the breaks when it comes to capitalism.
Americans got into imports because of the fuel crisis. Already using smaller engines, they were better prepared and it took awhile for the US to catch up to making 4 cylinder tin-cans.Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
People got hooked on the imports in the 70s and 80s when our own manufacturers were slacking, which allowed the Japanese, Germans, Koreans and almost everyone else an opportunity to get into the market.
I.E. - We're like Mexico to them. Is it a bad thing, well I sure as hell don't want to work for a German or Japanese company - but then again that's just me.Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
From there, they lowered costs by involving Americans in their production processes, which created jobs for Americans.
Is this a bad thing?
Sure, the American hourly workers get some cash, but where the majority of money is made - initial sale and financing - that's going strait back to Japan so they can figure out how to take more of our market from us, while we f**king work for them too. Take trucks for instance. Toyota may make a great truck ( well, in terms of build quality maybe ) but there's really NO NEED for an American to have to look outside of Chevy, Ford or Dodge ( I'd rather see them buying a Dodge than a Toyota, beside's that Hemi is all American ) to find a good, reliable truck. I'm not saying the Toyota is crap, I'm just saying that I'm going to put the American brands first on my list - to try and prevent them from forcing thier way into another one of our segments. And c'mon Nike? Bad example. They are making shoes in China ( in poverty stricken conditions, for 15 cents an hour, on 10-18 hour shifts, some of them children ) and selling the sub $5 shoe for $150 while Tiger Woods gets paid millions to pimp them ( and we keep buying into it, blindly supporting the whole process ). Yea, that's capitolism, and it sucks. Can you name something they build for us over there in Japan that then gets sold to them? Didn't think so. It's not an even trade ( $30,000 cars for $3 Happy Meals? ), and eventually ( probably soon ) the floor is gonna fall out.Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
The Japanese pay us to assemble their cars that we sell in our own market -- some of the money from the sale goes to the American branch of the Japanese company and gets recycled back into our economy, while some of the money goes back to Japan. Then the Japanese buy crap from our McDonalds and our Nike and etc., so we get the money back. It's a nice system.
Toyota assembles cars in the US, from parts shipped from overseas ( yea, some of it is US sourced ) because it's cheaper for them to do so, that's all. It's either the lower hourly wages or the tax breaks from our federal government, probably both. Renault has controlling interest of Nissan, and I thought Ford owned Mazda 100%? As for the Japanese having deals with American car makers, well yea - that's always been there. There is a difference between a "deal" and outright ownership, or a takeover though. As for the Japanese having deals with German carmakers, I dunno about that one - they aren't the fondest of one another. There is DAIMLERchrysler's "partnership" with Mitsubishi (ugh, easily the worst of the Japanese nameplates), but that's a throwback to the ChryCo days.Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
Toyota makes cars in America. Nissan is partially owned by Renault. Mazda is partially owned by Fnord. Most major Japanese car makers have deals with the Americans and Germans. Loyalty.. right.
From Merriam-WebsterQuote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
Please try to be a little less xenophobic.
"One entry found for xenophobe.
Main Entry: xe·no·phobe
Pronunciation: 'ze-n&-"fOb, 'zE-
Function: noun
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
Date: 1922
: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin
- xe·no·pho·bic /"ze-n&-'fO-bik, "zE-/ adjective
- xe·no·pho·bi·cal·ly /-bi-k(&-)lE/ adverb"
Who said I was "unduly fearful" of what is foreign? I buy foreign stuff all the time, I like to get my small electronics from Panasonic ( and the stuff's actually still made in Japan, unlike Sony who makes alot of thier stuff in Malaysia ), and from Germany I absolutely LOVE Haribo Gummy Raspberries, and German software coders are the shit. Hell, a full third of the movies I see ( like it or not ) are made by Sony, and when I want an album or DVD that's on a Sony label they get paid. But when it comes to what's generaly one of the largest investments an American can make, I'm going to buy American. Yea, I know the "American" makes do somtimes build outside the US, etc. - that's why I research what I'm buying first, and buy one assembled here ( hell or Canada, they make some good cars up there, and our economies are so closely tied it's a moot point ). Besides, I like American cars because they have unique attitude and style. The Japanese brands all look the same to me, and none of them have the combined functionality ( roomy interior, huge trunk ) performance ( 250 horses, AutoStick tranny, handling of a smaller car ) and looks of an Intrepid ( the 2nd gen design is over 4 years old and still looks current ), as one example. And you're gonna get more car for your money, especially used.
And what do I get for being an American who states that he buys American? Again, I doubt the Japanese are chastizing one another for supporting thier own economy as much as possible. Yes, I understand the lines are blurred a little as to what's American and what isn't, but that doesn't mean I have to give in and buy a Hyundai or Toyota.
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Originally posted by 88mph
Yeah... thats about it. Fucking rich ass faggot.
I hate people who get things without working for them. Fuck you and your family.
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