Hummer!

Reminds me of...

"I'm a marketing manager who lives in the suburbs and commutes to work on the highway. I live alone, so of course I needed a car that can seat 12 and is equipped to drive across arctic tundra... it just makes me feel better!"

I don't care if it's been posted before but I'll say it again. You're going to WRECK it. Your first car should be a shit car, I don't give a fuck who you are.

Mode7 :lol:

JM

why get an H2 when you can get a Suburban? H2 == Box-like Suburban.

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what the fuck shold you care what you're getting, it's not like you have to buy it...

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Dude, PLEASE dont be so hypocritical. youre the one who whines about how youre going to have to drive your mom's beat up truck and how you cant drive the fucking Explorer all over the place.

and how is it that you managed to make 14 retarded posts in one thread?

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Originally posted by 88mph
Yeah... thats about it. Fucking rich ass faggot.

I hate people who get things without working for them. Fuck you and your family.

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Originally posted by burgundy
Not if the damn thing flips over because you don't know how to drive it. I'll admit I'd rather drive a Hummer than a Volvo, but a Volvo is tons safer. Just ask the deer I killed with one a few nights ago.

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Just wanted to point out that a deer would be fucking destroyed by a Hummer if hit by one.

Man, for the price of an H2 I could get, what, like three or four fully loaded Mini Cooper S's. I wish I could afford even one.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
sphere, don't take offense with the following, I'm just being blunt.


American. Heh.

Did you know that GM produces alot of its parts and vehicles in Mexico? Jobs that used to belong to Americans are now in Mexico -- imagine that!

Dodge is Chrysler -- or should I say, DaimlerChrysler. In other words, they are no longer American, they are German. Corporate HQ is registered in Stuttgart, Jürgen E. Schrempp is their Chairman.


Bad example. Again, Crysler is teh Deutsch now.


Well, ok then. We'll put my 1998 Fnord Taurus 6-cylinder up against a 1998 Toyota Camry 6-cylinder.

Alternators from AutoZone.com
Toyota: Duralast Import 90 Amp - $137.23
Fnord: Duralast 130 Amp - $139.99


You're too late, the industry already sold itself out. It's not the consumers' fault -- that's just the breaks when it comes to capitalism. People got hooked on the imports in the 70s and 80s when our own manufacturers were slacking, which allowed the Japanese, Germans, Koreans and almost everyone else an opportunity to get into the market. From there, they lowered costs by involving Americans in their production processes, which created jobs for Americans.

Is this a bad thing?

No, I don't think so. While it's true that we don't own as large a piece of the auto-pie as we once did, we most likely make more money off the industry as a whole now than we ever have before -- so does everyone else. It's part of that globalization of the economy thing that some people seem to hate. I don't see how this can be bad when companies now transcend country borders and become international entities -- everyone makes money. The Japanese pay us to assemble their cars that we sell in our own market -- some of the money from the sale goes to the American branch of the Japanese company and gets recycled back into our economy, while some of the money goes back to Japan. Then the Japanese buy crap from our McDonalds and our Nike and etc., so we get the money back. It's a nice system.


Toyota makes cars in America. Nissan is partially owned by Renault. Mazda is partially owned by Fnord. Most major Japanese car makers have deals with the Americans and Germans. Loyalty.. right.

Please try to be a little less xenophobic.

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Hear, hear!

Gon

Gon: Thanks. :)

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No, excellent example. When these cars were made, Chrysler was 100% american.

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Ok, I'll grant that.

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Chevy Prizm Vs. Toyota Corrola. The prizm has a lower resale value simply becuase it has Chevy badges.

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Exactly. It has nothing to do with Americans not wanting to support American products, however; the cause here is Toyota's brand is stronger due to better marketing and better perceived quality. People will think, "Oh, that's made by Toyota -- my 1987 Camry lasted 500,000 miles, I'll buy this because it's better than that Chevy piece of garbage that will probably die like my 1975 Chevy did way back when."

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Ever wonder why the Xbox is constantly considered the "Gajin" (sp?) console? Becuase Microsoft is american.

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Well, the Xbox also sucks... There's no motivation for the Japanese to buy it.

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Japanese people buy Japanese. Sure they eat those $2.99 big macs, and $75 pairs of Nikes, but were buying $30,000 cars, financing through the Japaneese manufacturers, putting even more money that ships over seas.

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So? We also rely on Taiwan and other asian countries for our computer parts. We get most of our oil from other countries as well. We do export tons of stuff also, so the money does get back to us, one way or another.

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And for what exactly? The percieved relability of "Japanese" Products? Its crap... for every toyota with 200,000 miles I can find a Ford Chevy, or even a pre-daimler Chrysler with as much.

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Maybe, but the American public isn't going to think this way unless they are convinced to do so. There is a definate reason Fnord is hurting right now -- and that's because they keep putting out crap cars. They had a good thing going with their truck and car lines, but they sabotaged it over a period of 5-10 years with crappy quality control and bad decisions. The public finally caught on, and now people are buying products from other companies. That's how capitalism works -- patriotism has nothing to do with it.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
American. Heh.

Did you know that GM produces alot of its parts and vehicles in Mexico? Jobs that used to belong to Americans are now in Mexico -- imagine that!

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Yea, I know - I've seen Roger and Me. I'm not not saying GM or any other "American" car maker is neccesarily "innocent", but it also could be looked at as they're just doing what they have to to compete.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
Dodge is Chrysler -- or should I say, DaimlerChrysler. In other words, they are no longer American, they are German. Corporate HQ is registered in Stuttgart, Jürgen E. Schrempp is their Chairman.

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Really? NO SHIT! I've bitched about that very thing on these very boards. About our our SEC allowed a perfectly healthy American automaker ( with billions of dollars in cash reserves ) to be taken over by a bloated German automaker, Germany would have NEVER allowed it to happen the other way, which if anything is how it should have happened. But I suppose the fact that falsified prospectus reports and general mis-representations occurred is all part of "globalization", correct? Multi-million dollar shareholder lawsuits must come with that territory too......

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
Bad example. Again, Crysler is teh Deutsch now.

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Well the Chryslers sitting in my driveway aren't "teh Deutsch". In fact, most of the Chrysler models out now are still throwbacks to Chrysler Corp ( from before when nearly all of the management, engineers, etc. ran off to GM and Ford post "merger" ). The Chrysler Crossfire is based off of an SLK ( and even assembled in Germany ) and unfortunately Dodge Ram vans have been replaced with Mercedes Sprinter vans, ugh. But then again, I've haven't bought any cars from DAIMLERchrysler.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
Well, ok then. We'll put my 1998 Fnord Taurus 6-cylinder up against a 1998 Toyota Camry 6-cylinder.

Alternators from AutoZone.com
Toyota: Duralast Import 90 Amp - $137.23
Fnord: Duralast 130 Amp - $139.99

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Yea, the key word there is "Duralast". ( but you do get 40 more amps for $3 more with the Ford ). Let's check OEM parts prices:

Lynch Toyota (860)646-4321
1998 Camry 3.0 V6 alternator: $342.26

Ray Seraphin Ford (860)871-0094
1998 Taurus 3.0 V6 alternator: $211.32

$131 more for basically the SAME part? Must be the overseas shipping costs....
I rest my case. You aren't going to win that arguement, generally speaking ( obviously not ALWAYS ) you are going to pay more ( sometimes alot more ) for a Japanese, German, South Korean ( especially ) part than you are for an American-sourced one. End of story.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
You're too late, the industry already sold itself out. It's not the consumers' fault -- that's just the breaks when it comes to capitalism.

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Again, I'm not absolving the "Big Three" of any wrongdoing, but the general attitude that "we make shit" from the American public can't help either. GM should start up another nameplate ( ala Saturn ) and name it Hondota or something really Japanese sounding, and just re-body a Cavalier or Saturn and watch the sales differences ( and complaint differences too ). But just to keep ignorant Americans happy, they can still feel free to plaster "God Bless America" and "United We Stand" along with American flags all over thier Hondas, Toyota's, Mitsubishis ( bomb Pearl Harbor much? ), etc. That certainly makes me feel "proud".

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
People got hooked on the imports in the 70s and 80s when our own manufacturers were slacking, which allowed the Japanese, Germans, Koreans and almost everyone else an opportunity to get into the market.

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Americans got into imports because of the fuel crisis. Already using smaller engines, they were better prepared and it took awhile for the US to catch up to making 4 cylinder tin-cans.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
From there, they lowered costs by involving Americans in their production processes, which created jobs for Americans.

Is this a bad thing?

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I.E. - We're like Mexico to them. Is it a bad thing, well I sure as hell don't want to work for a German or Japanese company - but then again that's just me.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
The Japanese pay us to assemble their cars that we sell in our own market -- some of the money from the sale goes to the American branch of the Japanese company and gets recycled back into our economy, while some of the money goes back to Japan. Then the Japanese buy crap from our McDonalds and our Nike and etc., so we get the money back. It's a nice system.

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Sure, the American hourly workers get some cash, but where the majority of money is made - initial sale and financing - that's going strait back to Japan so they can figure out how to take more of our market from us, while we f**king work for them too. Take trucks for instance. Toyota may make a great truck ( well, in terms of build quality maybe ) but there's really NO NEED for an American to have to look outside of Chevy, Ford or Dodge ( I'd rather see them buying a Dodge than a Toyota, beside's that Hemi is all American ) to find a good, reliable truck. I'm not saying the Toyota is crap, I'm just saying that I'm going to put the American brands first on my list - to try and prevent them from forcing thier way into another one of our segments. And c'mon Nike? Bad example. They are making shoes in China ( in poverty stricken conditions, for 15 cents an hour, on 10-18 hour shifts, some of them children ) and selling the sub $5 shoe for $150 while Tiger Woods gets paid millions to pimp them ( and we keep buying into it, blindly supporting the whole process ). Yea, that's capitolism, and it sucks. Can you name something they build for us over there in Japan that then gets sold to them? Didn't think so. It's not an even trade ( $30,000 cars for $3 Happy Meals? ), and eventually ( probably soon ) the floor is gonna fall out.

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Originally posted by Lhadatt
Toyota makes cars in America. Nissan is partially owned by Renault. Mazda is partially owned by Fnord. Most major Japanese car makers have deals with the Americans and Germans. Loyalty.. right.

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Toyota assembles cars in the US, from parts shipped from overseas ( yea, some of it is US sourced ) because it's cheaper for them to do so, that's all. It's either the lower hourly wages or the tax breaks from our federal government, probably both. Renault has controlling interest of Nissan, and I thought Ford owned Mazda 100%? As for the Japanese having deals with American car makers, well yea - that's always been there. There is a difference between a "deal" and outright ownership, or a takeover though. As for the Japanese having deals with German carmakers, I dunno about that one - they aren't the fondest of one another. There is DAIMLERchrysler's "partnership" with Mitsubishi (ugh, easily the worst of the Japanese nameplates), but that's a throwback to the ChryCo days.

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Please try to be a little less xenophobic.

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From Merriam-Webster
"One entry found for xenophobe.
Main Entry: xe·no·phobe
Pronunciation: 'ze-n&-"fOb, 'zE-
Function: noun
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
Date: 1922
: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin
- xe·no·pho·bic /"ze-n&-'fO-bik, "zE-/ adjective
- xe·no·pho·bi·cal·ly /-bi-k(&-)lE/ adverb"

Who said I was "unduly fearful" of what is foreign? I buy foreign stuff all the time, I like to get my small electronics from Panasonic ( and the stuff's actually still made in Japan, unlike Sony who makes alot of thier stuff in Malaysia ), and from Germany I absolutely LOVE Haribo Gummy Raspberries, and German software coders are the shit. Hell, a full third of the movies I see ( like it or not ) are made by Sony, and when I want an album or DVD that's on a Sony label they get paid. But when it comes to what's generaly one of the largest investments an American can make, I'm going to buy American. Yea, I know the "American" makes do somtimes build outside the US, etc. - that's why I research what I'm buying first, and buy one assembled here ( hell or Canada, they make some good cars up there, and our economies are so closely tied it's a moot point ). Besides, I like American cars because they have unique attitude and style. The Japanese brands all look the same to me, and none of them have the combined functionality ( roomy interior, huge trunk ) performance ( 250 horses, AutoStick tranny, handling of a smaller car ) and looks of an Intrepid ( the 2nd gen design is over 4 years old and still looks current ), as one example. And you're gonna get more car for your money, especially used.

And what do I get for being an American who states that he buys American? Again, I doubt the Japanese are chastizing one another for supporting thier own economy as much as possible. Yes, I understand the lines are blurred a little as to what's American and what isn't, but that doesn't mean I have to give in and buy a Hyundai or Toyota.

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Originally posted by 88mph
Yeah... thats about it. Fucking rich ass faggot.

I hate people who get things without working for them. Fuck you and your family.

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*Mental note: Never post about receiving something of value on TNL*

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Originally posted by sphere79
Let's check OEM parts prices:

Lynch Toyota (860)646-4321
1998 Camry 3.0 V6 alternator: $342.26

Ray Seraphin Ford (860)871-0094
1998 Taurus 3.0 V6 alternator: $211.32

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Anyone who buys OEM car parts when they are availiable elsewhere isn't very smart. The exception is dealer-only parts, which are also availiable from junkyards. The reason that OEM parts are marked up so much is because people who get their car serviced at a dealership are stupid enough to pay that much.

I've owned several older cars, and the japanese ones have been the most reliable.

One Oldsmobile I had completely died on me after replacing lots of parts, and another still runs (kinda) after replacing several parts, and it only has 130k miles on it.

I bought an 88 Honda Civic for $20 with 160k miles. I replaced the gas tank, cap, rotor and plugs. I got a good 10k miles out of it, and my friend is still driving it, he's put close to 15k miles on it.

I bought a 1986 Toyota Corolla GT-S with 130k miles for $500. I put 8k miles on it, and nothing broke unless I broke it. The car can't be driven after being crashed into a guardrail because I thought I was Mr. Drift King. It still runs and drives well, you just can't see through the windshield.

I bought a 1989 Nissan 240sx with 90k miles for $3000. I've opened the hood to change/check/add to the oil and other fluids. I've put 13k miles on it, and not a single thing has gone wrong.

The German cars that I have owned have been a bit less reliable, but they both had 180k miles, which is far past the death of most American cars. I see far more older Japanese/German cars on the road than American cars, unless they are restored muscle cars.

You all are just jealous that mommy and daddy never bought YOU $50,000 cars. Whiny bitches. :)

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Anyone who buys OEM car parts when they are availiable elsewhere isn't very smart. The exception is dealer-only parts, which are also availiable from junkyards.

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My point was that simply that foreign-sourced parts almost always cost more American-sourced, which isn't my opinion so much as it is a fact.

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The reason that OEM parts are marked up so much is because people who get their car serviced at a dealership are stupid enough to pay that much.

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What does this have to do with a Toyota alternator costing $340, and a comperable Ford one costing $211? Are you saying Toyota marks up even higher?

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Originally posted by basemies
I've owned several older cars, and the japanese ones have been the most reliable.

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Well, good for you. I'm not saying that all American cars are wonderful and reliable, it's up to the buyer to make an informed decision, you could have quite possibly also boughten a lemon, or a car that was improperly maintained, etc.

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Originally posted by basemies
I bought an 88 Honda Civic for $20 with 160k miles. I replaced the gas tank, cap, rotor and plugs. I got a good 10k miles out of it, and my friend is still driving it, he's put close to 15k miles on it.

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Honestly, I think part of the reason some of those older Honda's and Toyota's ( the one's actually from Japan ) might last so long without major engine or tranny problems has something to do with A: Alot of them had standards, which are going to outlast your average automatic anyday of the week and B: The engines in them were like 90 horsepower, therefore there's less wear on the thing in general. How was the body? Christ, I've seen late 90's model Toyota's ( a T-100 ) with a rusthole right through the bumper. The thing wasn't even 5 years old. Since they've started building them here, I'm not sure if they still use the fairly crappy Japanese sheetmetal.

Another thing about cars in America, is the manner in which they are serviced. I'll be the first to tell you, most of the Dodge dealers in this area ( even the 5-stars ) just plain suck. You really need to find a forum with other owners of the vehicle, and you'll find most solutions to problems - one's that dealers may not find / or even fix correctly ( thus the repeated visits for them same damn problem ). I think it has something to do with some long-term contracts Dodge signed in the 80's ( when they were hurting ) with dealers that make them fairly independant. Whereas every Toyota dealership in this area looks EXACTLY the same, and they business-wise are set-up completely differently than Dodge dealers. I've heard several stories from Honda and Toyota owning folk about how they took thier car in for it's 75,000 mile service, and were told it needed a "mandatory" top end rebuild, and then charged $700-1000+ for it. But yet when the things running strong at 150k+ miles it's because of how reliable they are, right? Volvo ( now owned by Ford ) does the same thing, you actually HAVE to have the engine rebuilt at a certain milage. Someone else I work with was told his new Nissan has to have oil changes ( and service work ) done by the dealer or the warranty is voided. I dunno, maybe this way is ultimately better for the car ( and the dealer ) but American dealerships don't seem to use these same kinds of tactics, not that I've seen ( they do horribly overcharge of course ). Me and only me is in charge of servicing my vehicle, no one hounds me or tells me my warranty will be voided.

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The German cars that I have owned have been a bit less reliable, but they both had 180k miles, which is far past the death of most American cars.

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What German cars were they, nearly all US Volkswagens ( except wagons ) are assembled in Mexico and have quality ratings below most American and Japanese cars ( see www.myvwlemon.com ), yet unbelievably thier reputation is still intact ( well it isn't one of those crap American cars, it must be good? ). Also Mercedes quality has had problems for years ( www.troublebenz.com www.mercedesproblems.com ), one of thier biggest problems is that they are very inefficient at building cars ( high number of employees vs. automobiles produced ).

As far as how long most American cars last, my '78 Olds ( that I drove in high-school during the early 90's ) had a 100,000 mile speedometer that had rolled twice, but of course the car was well maintained. I once accidentaly dropped the tranny into reverse while doing 50mph, I thought for sure I'd at least lose that gear. Not only was the tranny intact, it went into an old S-10 that had been in a fire and rebuilt and was still running when I traded it in. My 17 year old Dakota ( which I bought for a grand, and it was used and abused ) ran until 145,000 miles, when it overheated ( my fault 'cause I never checked the thermostat, it was probably the goddamn original ) fried the motor and died on me. I just bought a '91 Dakota for $2100 with 109,000 miles on it, only this one was an old man's truck, and well maintaned - it purrs like a kitten. With the 3.9 V6 motor, it's not unheard of to get 200k out of it without a rebuild ( it's from the 318 / 360 family of engines, both proven designs ) and I'm not expecting any major problems. I also had a Chevy Corsica 4 cylinder automatic that I basically NEVER maintained, and the thing just kept going and going. It was running with 140,000 miles on it ( the engine seals were all gone, the coolant mixed with the gas and oil, yet it started, ran and even got good milage! ) when we donated it for a tax break.

One more thing, my original point was that much of what people judge American vs foreign cars on is percieved, I.E. - the Mitsubishi badged version of a car having a higher resale value. Also, the Chevy Prism vs Toyota Corolla example that Wildkat brought up is another good one. Consumer Reports ( an American organization ) actually rated the Chevy version lower, when it's THE SAME DAMN CAR!

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[i]Originally posted by Lhadatt [i]It has nothing to do with Americans not wanting to support American products, however; the cause here is Toyota's brand is stronger due to better marketing and better perceived quality.

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Why should marketing and percieved quality affect a HANDS ON review of two identical cars, one badged American and one badged Japanese? Is there money being passed behind closed doors?

Anyway, I've had good luck with American cars ( I'm also an informed buyer and maintain my vehicles ) and I'll continue to buy them. And I'll continue to recommend cars such as Saturns ( not my cup of tea but they take a beating ), the new Chevy Malibu ( again, styled for import buyers but another good, inexpensive reliable American car ) and the newer styled Dodge Intrepids to people who value my opinion as to what "good" American car they can buy.

Ugh, there's nothing more repulsive than a highschool kiddie with a 50,000 dollar car.

Get a job, you fucking leech.

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Originally posted by NApOLm321
As I said before, I'm not the one making the decisions (well.. not all of them) otherwise I would opt for a luxery car. Anyhow, I'm all my parents have and my mom is well... i donno, but im 100% sure she would kill herself if I died, so I guess I can understand why she sais this rubbish.

As far as SUVs not being safe? sure, but the biggest danger is rollovers, and considering that hummers are wider than they are tall, I dont think thats a big danger.

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This should have been the tip off that you all are being had.

I smell a conspiracy...

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Originally posted by Dolemite
You all are just jealous that mommy and daddy never bought YOU $50,000 cars. Whiny bitches. :)

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wait wait... a $50,000 dollar car? lemme check this out... umm... try 4100,000... look on the website... you have got to be kidding me. Hey kid, why dont you have your parents give me all that money for college? better investment than this...

you have got to be kidding me... and its an ugly vehicle too...

I think hes on here asking just to brag...what you think?

i thought guys liked to brag about thier cock sizes not thier expensive, ugly cars that mommy bought them.

give me a break.

Maybe he has some some of inferiority complex... that would explain the needless desire to want one of those behemoths.

It's nothing so complicated. He's just an idiot highschooler with parents who 1.) have too much money on their hands and 2.) don't care about things like teaching their kids the value of money.

I knew a guy who went to highschool with me, not a bad kid, but his jr. year he was going about 90 mph down a whindy road in the woods and night and crashed into a tree and flipped his blue prelude and if it hadnt had the sunroof (and extra stuctural support) he would have been crushed. the next week his dad bought him a brand new red prelude.

do you guys seriously think that this guy is a safe driver? I think not. and you, ugly avatar kid, you're from my state? where, so that I may stay away from the roads?

Maybe you'll get lucky and he'll use his steel behemoth to crush a few elderly drivers before meeting his own doom. I'd much rather be behind a high school kid than somebody's grandma that’s hopped up on insulin.

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i thought guys liked to brag about thier cock sizes not thier expensive, ugly cars that mommy bought them.

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What little you know about men... :p

When a man can not brag about the size of his cock he immediately starts to brag about the expensive, hooked up car that his mom bought for him...

Thats a fact! :D

My head's about to explode from all the car knowledge in this thread. ARGGG!!!

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"I'm a marketing manager who lives in the suburbs and commutes to work on the highway. I live alone, so of course I needed a car that can seat 12 and is equipped to drive across arctic tundra... it just makes me feel better!"

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SC

I would like to thank this thread for the entertainment it has provided me today. v^_^

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It's nothing so complicated. He's just an idiot highschooler with parents who 1.) have too much money on their hands and 2.) don't care about things like teaching their kids the value of money.

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What if they dont have money, and he was lying just to impress us? :confused:

Imma make a thread on shoes.

Payless brand or Nike?

My mom is going to pay for them... ;)

large car = penis compensation. ;)

Well I drive a scooter...

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Originally posted by Rhydant
why get an H2 when you can get a Suburban? H2 == Box-like Suburban.


Dude, PLEASE dont be so hypocritical. youre the one who whines about how youre going to have to drive your mom's beat up truck and how you cant drive the fucking Explorer all over the place.

and how is it that you managed to make 14 retarded posts in one thread?

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you are a dumbass... I'm not getting the Exporer... I'm not getting any car, when I move out I'm carless... I'm mad because my moms gonna make us take the truck to bowling and Im might have to drive it to work, but that car breaks down almost every time it goes to La Jolla,that's why I'm upset, this kid gets a brand new car to kep, he shouldn't bitch, I complian because my mom and dad each have a car to drve besides the explorer, and it wouldn't hurt either of them to let me drive it... so shut up.. and to all of you who have no idea what I'm talking about just let it slide...

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large car = penis compensation. ;)

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/me drives a mini

;)

Mman - you win. you drive a mini :D

Hey, kid. Just have your butler drive you...

A scooter's smaller :(

if it was inversely proportional to engine displacement my wang would be like 90ft long.

I honestly dont see what all the hate is about. I'm spoiled (i know i know) but im a very responible person. I take care of all my stuff with the utmost care. If anything I would be driving like the elderly because I don't want to fuck anything up. I know the value of MY pennies (I save all the money i get, for me a video game is a big purchase) but if my parents are willing to spend this kind of money on me im fine with it. I've never broken anything of mine taht I own (besides stuff like baseballs and mitts) and my parents know this

I know ALL about being poor. For christmas when I was 5 i mustve gotten about $10 worth of stuff or less. I grew up poor, but in 2nd grade I moved into a nice house (I dont want to say how much it cost because you would all say im "bragging") because my dad became a contractor, and since then we've been living nicer and nicer as he keeps goin bigger and bigger with his projects.

Again, I know the value of a pennie. I only buy something if I know I absolutely need it. I work at a shooting range on the weekend earning money pulling targets. I am lucky if my parents give me $5 to go to a local stop for some food with some friends. I currently have a little over $1500 of my OWN hard earned money collecting profits in a cash deposite in the bank, and have another $300 or so in my savings account.

When you "assume" you make an ASS out of U and ME

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Why are all of you bitching at me because you cant afford an expensive vehicle? Honestly!

All I ask for is some simple advice, if you knew anything that could help me, or knew of any web sources, but no. All you guys do is complain how spoiled I am, and how rich I, and hey, lets throw in a "I hope you die" in there too just because I'm poor!

Obviously I dont work at all for my stuff, but that doesnt mean you should hate me! Its not as if I entered the topic with a statement like "OMfG!!1! I r TeH 0n3 GEtt1N T3h HuMM3rr!!1one!1" I just wanted some advice, sheesh!

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I think it's because you're arguement is safety, yet you're just driving around town with friends, so a Hummer is an annoyance the people can do without, especially for a new driver. Like everybody said before, a Volvo is what you want for safety, not a Hummer. A hummer is what you want to impress your friends.

Andrew is on a roll with great posts.

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Originally posted by Box Drink
I would buy like eight cars and crash them into each other... that would be so cool...

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I would be up for some of that if I could have a helmet and goggles.

Oh, and by the way, saying you'll be driving like the elderly isn't exactly encouraging. Unless you consider having to be 10 inches away from the windshield in order to see over it, and having horrid reaction time as benefits while driving.

I don't know why you're all getting on this guy's case...Personally, I own two hummers, but I never drive them. -I pay people to drive them in tandem for me, so I can lay my surfboard between them, roof-to-roof, and hummer-surf anywhere I need to go.

'course, my board lies sideways, so we have to make a lot of right turns to make sure I look cool.

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I honestly dont see what all the hate is about. I'm spoiled (i know i know) but im a very responible person. I take care of all my stuff with the utmost care. If anything I would be driving like the elderly because I don't want to fuck anything up. I know the value of MY pennies (I save all the money i get, for me a video game is a big purchase) but if my parents are willing to spend this kind of money on me im fine with it. I've never broken anything of mine taht I own (besides stuff like baseballs and mitts) and my parents know this.

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*cough* This shows you know NOTHING about safe driving. You need to go to driving school or something, and if you did you need to find a better one.

The shining error in your statement here is that you think it's safer to drive like an elderly person than a foolhardy leadfoot, when in all honesty the elderly are just as big a problem (or the slow drivers). Why? I shouldn't have to tell you, but because when you're on the road you're supposed to assimilate yourself in to the motion and flow of traffic, which means if people are doing 80, you don't do 60 and create a potential hazardous situation.

It's quite simple.

Just because you're rich doesn't mean you can't be smart with your money.

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I don't know why you're all getting on this guy's case...Personally, I own two hummers, but I never drive them. -I pay people to drive them in tandem for me, so I can lay my surfboard between them, roof-to-roof, and hummer-surf anywhere I need to go.

'course, my board lies sideways, so we have to make a lot of right turns to make sure I look cool.

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I'm the guy on the corner that rates your form. I'm sorry, but it's nothing more than an 8.

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I'm the guy on the corner that rates your form. I'm sorry, but it's nothing more than an 8.

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If you're the same dude that always yells out "SWEET CHEEKS!" as I go by, then I'm hummer-surfing your ass down next time I round the block.

I wish I was getting a hummer right now. Never mind the shitty vehicle.

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I don't know why you're all getting on this guy's case...Personally, I own two hummers, but I never drive them. -I pay people to drive them in tandem for me, so I can lay my surfboard between them, roof-to-roof, and hummer-surf anywhere I need to go.

'course, my board lies sideways, so we have to make a lot of right turns to make sure I look cool.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

SC

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I don't know why you're all getting on this guy's case...Personally, I own two hummers, but I never drive them. -I pay people to drive them in tandem for me, so I can lay my surfboard between them, roof-to-roof, and hummer-surf anywhere I need to go.

'course, my board lies sideways, so we have to make a lot of right turns to make sure I look cool.

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I sure hope you're strapped down in some way... wouldn't want to see you getting hurt now ;)

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I sure hope you're strapped down in some way... wouldn't want to see you getting hurt now ;)

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Thanks for the concern, but you forget how safe Hummers are. I hummer-surf over land mines all the time; no strap needed.

Dear NApOLm321,


I hate you. A lot.

Love,
Master

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If you're the same dude that always yells out "SWEET CHEEKS!" as I go by, then I'm hummer-surfing your ass down next time I round the block.

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Catch me if you can, I'd like to see how well you can fare against my cardboard side.

...so... you're 16 and you're in ninth grade, eh? That explains a lot. And your info says your 14. :rolleyes:

How many of you honestly believed this?

born 1978... says he's 14 and yet he's getting a car? lots of details dont line up.

just going from the birth year listed.. whoa guy your 25. and just learning to drive?

please tell me you just mistyped. please please give me enough to still retain hope in the inhearent goodness of the human race.

please have it be a mistype and really your born in 1988 and your 15 and half and taking drivers ed.. please please please... please...

i really dont want to actually have reason to hate the human race more than I do. (...will detroy you all yesss) I mean.. uh. no.. no one heard that.... :D

M, you know as well as I do it doesn't matter what age he is, we'd still be all over him for this, respectively so as well.

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Thanks for the concern, but you forget how safe Hummers are. I hummer-surf over land mines all the time; no strap needed.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wow, this thread is spiraling out of control. :)
Napolm--- Do some research, change the avatar, and there is no way you need an H1.

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I honestly dont see what all the hate is about. I'm spoiled (i know i know) but im a very responible person. I take care of all my stuff with the utmost care. If anything I would be driving like the elderly because I don't want to fuck anything up. I know the value of MY pennies (I save all the money i get, for me a video game is a big purchase) but if my parents are willing to spend this kind of money on me im fine with it. I've never broken anything of mine taht I own (besides stuff like baseballs and mitts) and my parents know this

I know ALL about being poor. For christmas when I was 5 i mustve gotten about $10 worth of stuff or less. I grew up poor, but in 2nd grade I moved into a nice house (I dont want to say how much it cost because you would all say im "bragging") because my dad became a contractor, and since then we've been living nicer and nicer as he keeps goin bigger and bigger with his projects.

Again, I know the value of a pennie. I only buy something if I know I absolutely need it. I work at a shooting range on the weekend earning money pulling targets. I am lucky if my parents give me $5 to go to a local stop for some food with some friends. I currently have a little over $1500 of my OWN hard earned money collecting profits in a cash deposite in the bank, and have another $300 or so in my savings account.

When you "assume" you make an ASS out of U and ME

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But just to keep ignorant Americans happy, they can still feel free to plaster "God Bless America" and "United We Stand" along with American flags all over thier Hondas, Toyota's, Mitsubishis ( bomb Pearl Harbor much? ), etc. That certainly makes me feel "proud".

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What the fuck is wrong with you?

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What the fuck is wrong with you?

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Indeed.

It's really REALLY stupid to think that the bombing of Pearl Harbor has any link besides national manufacturer to my 2001 Honda Civic. It really is idiotic. Nothing more than an anti-American pushing his views in to a subject which has no basis for them.

You're allowed to be anti-American by all means, but that was really uncalled for and silly.

Sorry, I haven't changed my info since I rarely post here.

I was born in 1988 and am 15 years old.

Sorry, i approached the quuestion wrong, and i guess with my n00bish and you guys bein assholes and all, it didnt work out very well ;)

Well, Andrew, you can always counter by saying: put your "You're a Sap, Mr. Jap" stickers on your Ford, Chrysler (put productive Japanese-American citizens innocent of any crimes in internment camps just because of their race lately?), Chevrolet, Dodge (drop atomic bombs on major cities full of innocent civilians recently?), Pontiac, and, of course, Hummer. That's what gives me the jollies.

Good times indeed.

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I was born in 1988 and am 15 years old.

Sorry, i approached the quuestion wrong, and i guess with my n00bish and you guys bein assholes and all, it didnt work out very well ;)

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Go play in an alligator nest.

(I think that's a close as i can get to a "death wish" now without raising moderator ire... I would've said 'go play in traffic', but... fuck. That's the whole point of this discussion, isn't it? :D)

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My point was that simply that foreign-sourced parts almost always cost more American-sourced, which isn't my opinion so much as it is a fact.

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yes, but you don't have to buy the foreign sourced parts. you can either have your current one rebuilt, or purchase a remanufactured/new one from a parts store for far less money than you would pay at a dealership. i understand where you are coming from, but there are smart alternatives to dealership parts.

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What does this have to do with a Toyota alternator costing $340, and a comperable Ford one costing $211? Are you saying Toyota marks up even higher?

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maybe not, but do you know anyone that buys alternators, starters, distributors, etc from the dealership?

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Honestly, I think part of the reason some of those older Honda's and Toyota's ( the one's actually from Japan ) might last so long without major engine or tranny problems has something to do with A: Alot of them had standards, which are going to outlast your average automatic anyday of the week and B: The engines in them were like 90 horsepower, therefore there's less wear on the thing in general. How was the body? Christ, I've seen late 90's model Toyota's ( a T-100 ) with a rusthole right through the bumper. The thing wasn't even 5 years old. Since they've started building them here, I'm not sure if they still use the fairly crappy Japanese sheetmetal.

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it was rusty, but i see plenty of rusty american cars. i'm sure it wasn't properly maintained, and the car [honda civic] was from the UP of michigan, where almost every car is rusty. every engine should be able to tolerate the amount of horsepower it is producing.

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What German cars were they, nearly all US Volkswagens ( except wagons ) are assembled in Mexico and have quality ratings below most American and Japanese cars ( see www.myvwlemon.com ), yet unbelievably thier reputation is still intact ( well it isn't one of those crap American cars, it must be good? ). Also Mercedes quality has had problems for years ( www.troublebenz.com www.mercedesproblems.com ), one of thier biggest problems is that they are very inefficient at building cars ( high number of employees vs. automobiles produced ).

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they were both built in germany, the VIN started with WUV. one was an 86 jetta, the other was an 84 audi quattro 4000.

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As far as how long most American cars last, my '78 Olds ( that I drove in high-school during the early 90's ) had a 100,000 mile speedometer that had rolled twice, but of course the car was well maintained. I once accidentaly dropped the tranny into reverse while doing 50mph, I thought for sure I'd at least lose that gear. Not only was the tranny intact, it went into an old S-10 that had been in a fire and rebuilt and was still running when I traded it in. My 17 year old Dakota ( which I bought for a grand, and it was used and abused ) ran until 145,000 miles, when it overheated ( my fault 'cause I never checked the thermostat, it was probably the goddamn original ) fried the motor and died on me. I just bought a '91 Dakota for $2100 with 109,000 miles on it, only this one was an old man's truck, and well maintaned - it purrs like a kitten. With the 3.9 V6 motor, it's not unheard of to get 200k out of it without a rebuild ( it's from the 318 / 360 family of engines, both proven designs ) and I'm not expecting any major problems. I also had a Chevy Corsica 4 cylinder automatic that I basically NEVER maintained, and the thing just kept going and going. It was running with 140,000 miles on it ( the engine seals were all gone, the coolant mixed with the gas and oil, yet it started, ran and even got good milage! ) when we donated it for a tax break.

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One more thing, my original point was that much of what people judge American vs foreign cars on is percieved, I.E. - the Mitsubishi badged version of a car having a higher resale value. Also, the Chevy Prism vs Toyota Corolla example that Wildkat brought up is another good one. Consumer Reports ( an American organization ) actually rated the Chevy version lower, when it's THE SAME DAMN CAR!

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yeah, some people are stupid. the nova/corolla is the same way. i don't understand how people think the DSM cars are japanese. the chassis is purely chrysler.

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born 1978... says he's 14 and yet he's getting a car? lots of details dont line up.

just going from the birth year listed.. whoa guy your 25. and just learning to drive?

please tell me you just mistyped. please please give me enough to still retain hope in the inhearent goodness of the human race.

please have it be a mistype and really your born in 1988 and your 15 and half and taking drivers ed.. please please please... please...

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...so... you're 16 and you're in ninth grade, eh? That explains a lot. And your info says your 14. :rolleyes:

How many of you honestly believed this?

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This should have been the tip off that you all are being had.

I smell a conspiracy...

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Just wanted to point out that a deer would be fucking destroyed by a Hummer if hit by one.

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True, but a Hummer may have easily rolled over on the embankment I had to drive off just to get off the road afterwards.

Anyway, the Volvo was totaled :( but it didn't take much damage apart from the lights and the cooling system. The parts for that model are just so hard to come by.

You spoiled sack of shit.

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I was born in 1988 and am 15 years old.

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..what exactly is the legal driving age over there?

It's 17 over here.

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When you "assume" you make an ASS out of U and ME

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You're a jamoke.

15 years old permit
16 years old license

Atleast you changed your avatar...

...die

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..what exactly is the legal driving age over there?

It's 17 over here.

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It's 15 where I am too. Of course that doesn't change the fact that he's full of shit, and that yes, Volvos are better cars.

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and that yes, Volvo's are better cars.

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dude, all cars are better than Hummers. dont limit it to just Volvos. :D

Up untill now I thought I was spoiled over my first car. My parents bought me a '87 Chevy Nova (hatchback bieotch!) for around $2000 when I turned 16. It lasted about 3 years and I put in at least $1000 of work on it to keep it that long. Now I'm driving a '97 Civic that I finished paying off over a year ago. It should last for a long fucking time and that's all I was looking for.


And in all seriousness dude, what did you expect to get when you posted that? Everyone would be like "wow, you're so cool" or "the hummer is a fantastic purchase, good looking out"? No! Hummers suck unless you're some kind of celeb who can afford to blow another 40K on it over the next few years.

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(...will detroy you all yesss)

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It's really REALLY stupid to think that the bombing of Pearl Harbor has any link besides national manufacturer to my 2001 Honda Civic. It really is idiotic.

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Well, it's really REALLY REALLY stupid to think that I was implying that your Honda has a link to Pearl Harbor. I wasn't.

It's Mitsubishi that manufactured the bulk of the planes ( as well as Yamaha and a few others ) that attacked the US on December 7, 1941, not Honda.

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Please explain to me how I was being "anti-American"?

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Well, Andrew, you can always counter by saying: put your "You're a Sap, Mr. Jap" stickers on your Ford, Chrysler (put productive Japanese-American citizens innocent of any crimes in internment camps just because of their race lately?), Chevrolet, Dodge (drop atomic bombs on major cities full of innocent civilians recently?), Pontiac, and, of course, Hummer.

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Your comparisons might actually work if A: Chrysler had manufactured the internment camps and B: There were thousands of Chryslers tooling around Japan with "God Bless Japan" and Japanese flag stickers on them, which there aren't. But Mitsubishi and other Japanese companies did infact enslave 20,000 US GI's, putting them to work in coal mines, not to mention physicaly abusing and killing some of them. (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/...25_slaves.html) I know Chrysler made tanks for the allies in WWII, but unless they made the planes that bombed Hiroshima it's apples and oranges. I'm not anti-Japanese or anti-American, I'm anti-ignorance and anti-hypocrisy. Yes, I understand it's water under the bridge, we've done the same type of things, etc, etc. But how is driving a Japanese, Korean, or whatever import make of car helping the US economy? If you love America so goddamn much, never mind plastering your foreign car with stickers displaying your "pride" - put your money where your mouth is. The Japanese do, they take pride in what they build and they first and foremost support thier own economy by buying Japanese products as much as possible. Whereas in the United States, many Americans insist that they have to buy a foreign car or it'll be a POS ( there has to be some justification for not buying American ), even when the car sometimes IS technically foreign, but has an American nameplate! And then on top of that, they're going to cover the thing with messages of how "proud" they are to be American. There's nothing even SLIGHTLY hypocritical about that? That is my point, period.

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Up untill now I thought I was spoiled over my first car. My parents bought me a '87 Chevy Nova (hatchback bieotch!) for around $2000 when I turned 16. It lasted about 3 years and I put in at least $1000 of work on it to keep it that long. Now I'm driving a '97 Civic that I finished paying off over a year ago. It should last for a long fucking time and that's all I was looking for.

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But wait a minute, I thought Toyota's ( thats what your "Chevy" was ) had a more reliable track record than even Honda's? Now remember that when it comes time to buy another car, you owned a Toyota that didn't last for you so they all must be junk....... right?

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wait wait... a $50,000 dollar car? lemme check this out... umm... try 4100,000... look on the website...

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A Hummer is 4 million dollars? ;)

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Well, Andrew, you can always counter by saying: put your "You're a Sap, Mr. Jap" stickers on your Ford, Chrysler (put productive Japanese-American citizens innocent of any crimes in internment camps just because of their race lately?), Chevrolet, Dodge (drop atomic bombs on major cities full of innocent civilians recently?), Pontiac, and, of course, Hummer. That's what gives me the jollies.

Good times indeed.

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I COULD do that, but I'd just as soon get my jollies out of a dog with a puffy tail.

That or the stickers parts.... my favorite is still the dog.

One guy in my highschool used to drive a miyatta, which is typically considered a girls car, and he had the license plate Layin Rubbr or something like that and we stuck a "MEN" sticker over the Rubbr. He found out and I got my ass kicked, but it was worth it. (he's a big fella)

BTW I have a 9 year warranty on my Civic, so all parts and repairs are free and it doesn't guzzle gas so I save quite a bit of money in comparison to some other people who drive olds mobiles and stuff.

Nothing big, but the warranty is worth it. Although I've yet to have something wrong with my honda.

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Well, it's really REALLY REALLY stupid to think that I was implying that your Honda has a link to Pearl Harbor. I wasn't.

It's Mitsubishi that manufactured the bulk of the planes ( as well as Yamaha and a few others ) that attacked the US on December 7, 1941, not Honda.

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So change it to Mitsubishi. They run a business, if they get a grant from the government and are payed to make war machines, then that's that. People are so caught up in history that have no grounds right now.

Is Japan at war right now?

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dude, all cars are better than Hummers. dont limit it to just Volvos. :D

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Even Hot Wheels!!!!

The question is...do "you" want the Hummer? And if it's a choice between a Hummer and another car that you won't like, I'm sure that if they can get you a Hummer they can get you almost any other car you want. Question for anyone: You really don't need a special permit to own a Hummer?

Hummer's are too 'out there' for my taste.

I'll take a Ford Explorer over a Hummer.

I saw a Snickers Cruncher ad that really fit this topic well. A guy goes around bragging to his neighbers about how great his huge, new SUV is (while driving) and ends up driving through his garage.

How disapointing, the thread's about the car.

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Represent.

Just the other day I saw both a Hummer and an H2, wich is pretty uncommon around these parts, anyways, both of these things are unsightly peices of junk. You might as well ride the short bus around.

actually, when you assume, you don't make an ass out of U and ME, you put an ass next to U and ME.

anyway, this thread is great. my first car had bullet holes in it, it cost $1000, and i was happy as hell.

ps - whoever mentioned the lancer evolution --- i don't think the evolution models are out yet.

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All I ask for is some simple advice, if you knew anything that could help me, or knew of any web sources, but no. All you guys do is complain how spoiled I am, and how rich I, and hey, lets throw in a "I hope you die" in there too just because I'm poor!

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I don't think you know the value of a dollar.

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anyway, this thread is great. my first car had bullet holes in it, it cost $1000, and i was happy as hell.

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bullet holes? thats pretty cool, actually. it gives the car character. and if anyone ever asked you about them, you could just say "Yeah man, the FBI was after me and shit, but i jumped this toll bridge and got away."

well, i would anyways. :D

Why the hell did you put an exclamation point after Hummer?!?!?! Gotta love that teenage subtlety.

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bullet holes? thats pretty cool, actually. it gives the car character. and if anyone ever asked you about them, you could just say "Yeah man, the FBI was after me and shit, but i jumped this toll bridge and got away."

well, i would anyways. :D

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Didn't you see that episode of the Simpsons? Those are speed holes.

Ah, the Homer goes to clown school ep. Classic.

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ps - whoever mentioned the lancer evolution --- i don't think the evolution models are out yet.

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It is. I tried my best to trick the salespeople into letting me drive one.

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anyway, this thread is great. my first car had bullet holes in it, it cost $1000, and i was happy as hell.

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Haha, what the hell? That's something right out of Dick Tracy.

They weren't those decal bullet holes where they, because those dont count...

Ah yes, those are dumb. ;)

"Oh, look at me, i've been driving through the old west, or possibly the get-toe."

you didn't have to rub it in...

*loses all respect for Doug

it would be different if he won it or something... but the fact is his parents are just handing it to him and he's trying real hard to rub it in our faces...

Doug makes a good point. Bullying some guy on a message board because of his car choice isn't right, and I think it took a cold hard slap of reality to realize.

Sorry Napolm.