Please don't tell me we're heading down this road again.
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Please don't tell me we're heading down this road again.
UM Shooting
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$10 says the GTA games are blamed. Oh, and your link doesn't work.
01. Enough of the "videogames will be the scapegoat" shit.
02. Yes it does.
Works for me. Hmm...
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Hmm... Works fine now, maybe it was just overloaded with traffic or something.
I think I should start carrying around a small throwing knife that I'm proficient with, and if that ever happens, I'll single-handedly cripple their shooting arm, and put an end to it.
Well that's my fantasy, but, I doubt we are "Going down this road again" Cause I don't think we have ever actually gotten off of it. We just needed gas, and now there is plenty of fuel. [/Road Analogy]
Yeah, every now and then there's a story on my local news talking about games like GTA, Mortal Kombat, etc...And how it influences younger children to smack each other with baseball bats and try to kill hookers.
What a sad state of affairs.
I don't know if anyone read this one.
School Shooting
That's kind of why I made the thread, two shootings in just as many days. It is sad, very sad.
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Videogames dont quite incite behavior like that in young kids, but you have to be a total fool to think that playing a morally depraven game like GTA3 or a hideously violent game like (insert title here, there's so many) has no influence on a person one way or the other. You're a product of your environment, and if your environment is GTA3... then, well, who knows. But it's definitely not something you can wash off like that ice cream stain on your pants.
This shit makes me sad... our society is so fucked up at times...
I agree diffusion, and it goes with the vice versa as well. My young mind and ideals were heavily influenced by the RPGs I played, formed by the ideals of the hero. People should play more RPGs.
People should play more Lesiure Suit Larry.:)
Never heard of it :(
Thanks.
LARRY!! lol, I used to play that game when I was like 7 or something. My mom and dad won this computer on vacation that was REALLY shitty compared to todays standards. Although it did have Larry on it and I used to play it all the time, I can still remember sex witht he hooker and the censored sign bouncing up and down mwahahahah.
Im done.
I doubt they will blame video games this time. They'll start with music, and then movies. I think they blamed that last few one games and thus their turn is up.
Man, Leisure Suit Larry is awesome. Too bad no more are being made...
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...l=chi-news-hed
School shooting only miles away from me...
It's terrible, it really is.
You know...
Maybe my perception is colored in all this. I think that games don't make me any more or less violent. They don't blur my views of reality and fantasy.
Then again, I started with Donkey Kong. DK didn't look like a real ape, nor Mario a real man. So I've known games to be fantasy purely because they started off so basic looking that I had to use my imagination and fill in the gaps between what it looked like and what the developers were telling me it looked like.
These days, games are so realistic looking, so over-the-top at EVERYTHING that it doesn't take that recognition of using your own imagination to paint a game as what it says it's trying to present itself as. To me, it's no bother and has absolutely no effect - I grew up knowing the difference.
But how am I to say that this is the way kids are brought up today? The most violent game I played as a kid involved pixelated ninjas, or sprites you had to tell yourself looked like the guys in the instruction books, because they sure didn't on the TV. I dunno how the mind of today's youth works, because I'm not the youth. Could games influence kids? Maybe, but even so, there IS a fault that lies in that negative influence other than the game itself. Parents who let their 10-year old play GTA, or do anything that puts them in contact with violent imagery, without ever really parenting the child. I played Mortal Kombat and knew the difference between it and reality because a long time ago my parents taught me the differences between real and fake, good and bad, and all that. I had a 'foundation' on which to build, shift, cultivate, and focus my beliefs and understandings. Now, is a 10-year old supposed to gain that understanding from a M-rated videogame, or the parents? And if the kid picks anything up from a game with morally-bankrupt portrayals, does that mean its the game's fault; a totally unfeeling, appeal-to-the-masses blanket apparition? Or is it the parent for never building a foundation for the child and tossing leaving them with nothing to build on, and their own devices to figure things out?
It's a polarization of the issue, but the easiest way to explain what I see. People can be influenced by things, but the one that is the most impacting, and the most important, is the influence a parent makes on the child. With a good influence, you can see past all the GTA-DoA-Extreme-Fanservice-Bloodlust-Alliance as the fantasy as it is.
That and having common-sense helps ^^
I never even thought of that hero, but it does make sense.
I grew up watching violent anime, which made me love fake violence to the point where it was a concern for my teachers and parents, however, It never affected my disposition towards real violence. But hey, everyone is different and are affected by things differently.
Hate to be one of the many who say it over and over, but bad parents really are the primary influence on a kid's behavior.
...and before I even post the reply, I've noticed that Hero has already said it, and put it much better.
Yea, but its fucking HARD to be a parent. If I dont let my kid play GTA3, good chances he has a friend whose mom doesn't give a fuck and lets him play. That's the nature of the beast, and there's really not a whole lot that can be done about it. Whether it's a kid wanting to play a taboo videogame, or a teenager who sneaks out and lies to go smoke weed with his friends (cmon, who hasn't done that?) it's seriously a battle raising kids. Yes, a good parent can and should be able to "negate" the effects of playing GTA3, but hey we dont even know what they are.Quote:
Originally posted by Ichabod
Hate to be one of the many who say it over and over, but bad parents really are the primary influence on a kid's behavior.
But we do know most people are not good parents. That's just the way it is. So instead of videogame fans saying old, outdated cliche phrases like:
(A): THERE'S NO PROOF! THERE'S NO PROOF!
(B): The parents are to blame, not the games.
(C): Organized religion has killed way more than videogames ever did (or some other crap like that).
We should just realize that it can have something to do with it, that in fact it probably does, and then just try to see how it goes from there.
It's like the gun argument... "guns dont kill people, people kill people"... sure, but they're killing people with guns, guns make it so much easier! "Gun people" would be much smarter just to recognize the potential dangers of guns and deal with it from there, instead of shrouding the issue in a cloud of semantics and arguments that fly in the face of reality. Not saying you said it Ichabod, but Ive heard people say things like "what we NEED is good parenting in the USA!". Yea, thats great - for that matter, we also need The Fountain of Youth, moon cheese, the Book of Nod, no more email spam, the Holy Grail, a perpetual motion machine, the Shroud of Turin, and an army of sex slaves that look just like Catherine Zeta-Jones. It's just not gonna happen and we have to deal with that as such.
Well, you've already written out my response for me.Quote:
Yes, a good parent can and should be able to "negate" the effects of playing GTA3, but hey we dont even know what they are.
It doesn't seem like there is much more to be said about this topic. I'm sure TNL has had drawn out debates over it before, but I sure as hell didn't participate them. Or at least I don't remember participating :D
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