Thumbs up, America

Crap, I missed all the fun. Most of what I wanted to say has already been said and argued over, so I will add this. The excuse that "this is war, and these things happen" won't fly. For one, this so-called war is a misnomer. A war is declared, and fought against another sovereign nation. In this case the target is "terrorism" which is just as abstract as saying it's a war against "freedom", "love" or "bad moods". If the mandate of this war is to eliminate terror and anyone who would perpetrate it, what do they expect to do? I don't think there are enough bombs in the U.S. to drop on every palestinian who wants his home back. Furthurmore, this isn't WW2 or Vietnam, in terms of its scale or level of confusion. There is a relatively small force in Afganistan, and they have almost never come under attack by an enemy force. Their missions are simple seek-and-destroy; in other words, the Taliban and Al-Queda don't stand a ghost of a chance against the far superior U.S. soldiers. This is a pretty straightforward operation, so why the hell have there been so many friendly fire incidents? I could understand if it was a full blown war with a huge force and the wheels of bureaucracy were turning very slowly, but this isn't the case at all. I used to think that the U.S. had the best millitary in the world, but it seems to me now that they're just a bunch of pussies (the millitary, not Americans per-se) who drop bombs indiscriminately over anything that looks like it might be potentially threatening. No wonder the pilot released his weapon, cause if he had had any balls he would have tried to evade the "attack" after being denied permission to drop, instead of just blowing the shit out of our guys.

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Originally posted by Kenshin


We're out there fighting HIS WAR.

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with that statement alone you show how arrogant and unintelligent you truly are

Americans were not the only ones in those buildings that day

There were people from all over the world im sure there were plenty of Canadians there too

those who did this knew that

this was not an attack on America it was an Attack on the world

unfortanetly friendly fire is an aspect of every war and its a sad one
just like the fact that innocent lifes are lost for the evils of other men

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Originally posted by EThugg
Accidents? In war? We're at war with Canada? :rolleyes:


Seriously, f*** the US. I couldn't be more embarrased to admit what country I'm from anywhere on the planet. Seriously.

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then move

"The dirty little secret of the Gulf War is that “friendly fire” accounted for 24 percent of the U.S. dead. A rate this high is not an inevitable consequence of the “fog of war.” According to a study done at the Army’s Command and General Staff College, “friendly fire” casualties accounted for less than 2 percent of all those occurring in battle during World War II, Korea, and Vietnam."

I stand corrected on the FF figure from the Iraq War.

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Originally posted by Johnpv


then move

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I would be embarassed to be an american. Their meddling in other countries , has lead to millions of deaths . And their cowboy attitude is pathetic , they just cant expect to use their pathetic morals in other countries.
Just look at what they did in Vietnam.The country was once the fifth largest producer of rice in the world , before the US sprayed agent orange all over their crops . Now they cant even feed themselves. Other US attrocities include starving 2 million Iraqi's to death ,supporting the aparthied ,and supporting Israel.

To anyone who's disgusted by the country they live in; ever think of changing it, or do you think that no one person can make a difference, that the problem is beyond control, that we're all screwed, etc.?

You'd be suprised how many people I see in college who hate the man/establishment/whatever to such a degree that they seeth with total negativity, but their passion isn't enough to motivate them to make a change.

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Originally posted by Hero
To anyone who's disgusted by the country they live in; ever think of changing it, or do you think that no one person can make a difference, that the problem is beyond control, that we're all screwed, etc.?

You'd be suprised how many people I see in college who hate the man/establishment/whatever to such a degree that they seeth with total negativity, but their passion isn't enough to motivate them to make a change.

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That's because making a change requires courage and initiative (as well as some degree of optimism; those who start something with the belief that they will fail are destined to do so), which are not qualities that many people are exactly saturated with, especially in our generation.

After all, it's much easier to sit and whine about it than to get up and even try to make a difference, is it not?

and that's the rub. If something causes you to feel so outraged, why not do something about it? Being pesstimistic about the outcome kinda screws you from the get-go...but that kinda nulls out the reason for complaint.

If you see something wrong and do nothing about it, I'd think that's a bad decision to make.

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Originally posted by CynicalSphere


That's because making a change requires courage and initiative (as well as some degree of optimism; those who start something with the belief that they will fail are destined to do so), which are not qualities that many people are exactly saturated with, especially in our generation.

After all, it's much easier to sit and whine about it than to get up and even try to make a difference, is it not?

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A single person going up against "the machine" these days is like someone throwing a pebble at a tank. 200 people going up against "the machine" is like 200 people throwing pebbles at a tank. It makes no difference, because "the machine" is just too powerful nowadays, and impervious to any sort of assault outside of another tank. Of course the majority ignorant mainstream just laughs at the futile efforts put forth by the people trying to make a change.

Once in a while someone is able to blow up a "tank", but it requires powerful ammo, which is usually powerful evidence of wrongdoing. But they'll try to get to you and shut you up before you can use it...

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Originally posted by xS

I would be embarassed to be an american. Their meddling in other countries , has lead to millions of deaths . And their cowboy attitude is pathetic , they just cant expect to use their pathetic morals in other countries.
Just look at what they did in Vietnam.The country was once the fifth largest producer of rice in the world , before the US sprayed agent orange all over their crops . Now they cant even feed themselves. Other US attrocities include starving 2 million Iraqi's to death ,supporting the aparthied ,and supporting Israel.

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I'd be embarrassed to be YOU making statements like the above. North Vietnam was (and still is) an oppressive communistic regime that enslaves its population. Who gives a shit what they produce? For the record, I'm *STRONGLY* against the U.S. (and world) appetite for items manufactured in China which also enslaves its population.

Hussein is *FAR* more responsible for the plight of the Iraqi people than are the United States.

Supporting apartheid? Be more specific.

Supporting Israel. Um, yeah, the are a democracy.