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I found out the other day that Code Veronica had more than a little involvement from Sega. Was any of this development/design help? If so does anybody know which of Sega's dev. teams worked with Capcom?
Also, to stop this thread going dead after finding the answer, are there any other 'famous' cases of great dev. companies 'ghost developing' titles with another company?
Ta peeps,
I dunno, but they need to hook up again. Code: Veronica is probably my favorite Resident Evil after the original. It was rather creepy in my opinion. Very well made in all aspects except the Steve Burnside department. I actually liked Steve better before they changed his hair for X.
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I agree. Code veronica was storming. Wesker was class, Claire was sassy, Chris' entrance was amazing, and the 'Is it a guy or gal?' villain was a real draw.Quote:
Originally posted by spacecowboy
I dunno, but they need to hook up again. Code: Veronica is probably my favorite Resident Evil after the original. It was rather creepy in my opinion. Very well made in all aspects except the Steve Burnside department. I actually liked Steve better before they changed his hair for X.
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I find it amazing that if it was one of Sega's dev. teams that did for example the coding or the game design that they don;t use those skills on their own 3rd person adventure.
Then again it is Sega, so common sense really isn't their forte. ;) I'd kind of like to see them do something like an Indiana Jones game (not the old point and click adventures, which are great, but the newer 3D games.) I think they could probably do a pretty good job given the fact that they did indeed do coding or design for Code: Veronica. They could probably make a mean version of Pitfall if they wanted to.Quote:
Originally posted by Nikorasu
I find it amazing that if it was one of Sega's dev. teams that did for example the coding or the game design that they don;t use those skills on their own 3rd person adventure.
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Here's your answer: http://www.nextech-corp.co.jp/creati.../software.html
They also did Saturn Biohazard and Shining Soul. I guess Sega contract them out every now and then.
Many thanks Sidez, great job. I've never heard of them before...Quote:
Originally posted by Sidez
Here's your answer: http://www.nextech-corp.co.jp/creati.../software.html
They also did Saturn Biohazard and Shining Soul. I guess Sega contract them out every now and then.
What did you make of Code V by the way?
Well I bought Biohazard 2 on DC just so I could play CV way before release and I was very impressed. When I bought the game though I got bored half way through disc one. Then when the CE game out I played that and liked it a lot more. Seeing Wesker beat the shit out of Claire was very cool. Disc two was excellent from what I remember of it. Longest Biohazard game by far.
Pecking order for me is: Biohazard > 2 > Zero > CV > 3
I always dug part 2 more than part 1. I think it was the improved voice-acting.
Haven't played Zero and didn't really like 3 or CV for some reason.
To me Code Veronica is one of the worst RE game :( It just didnt feel like RE games that were on PSX. For me personally 2,3 and O are best RE games, with REmake and CV closing the list.
I played Veronica for about twenty minutes before I shut it off and haven't played it since.
After the first two RE games, the whole series just kinda felt "meh".
I know that Psygnosis did the PSX port of Darkstalkers for Capcom, even though it was never listed in the credits or manual. It was damn good too, aside from the slowdown here and there.Quote:
Originally posted by Nikorasu
are there any other 'famous' cases of great dev. companies 'ghost developing' titles with another company?
I dug CV.
Peak of RE for me. Great story.
ive played my fair share of the RE games including the PC revs and the rereleased PSX dual shock games. the first game will always be my favorite weather its the remake or the original. the second was okay....i got it day one and played thru that weekend and never played it again. part three was more of a "i feel obligated to play it because it's an RE game". also played that game through once. code veronica i liked probably about as much as re0 which would put it firmly in the #2 spot for me. funny thing....the original game is the only one ive beaten multiple times.
Not really a funny thing...the original was something new and fairly unique, so of course you'd play it over and over. Me, I think I played part 2 over and over more, simply because you had to to unlock all the cool stuff and see all the endings.Quote:
Originally posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
funny thing....the original game is the only one ive beaten multiple times.
As for Code: Veronica, it's very good, though the overall feel (for the most part, anyway) is that of an action movie as opposed to horror. I think my favorites in the series are the first two.
I loved Code Veronica. Only game in the series I really can say that about.
For me it breaks down like this:
REmake > RE > CV > 0 > 2 > 3 > Gaiden
Yoshi, CV is better than 0? :(
I liked Zero a lot as well. The teamwork thing could be a good way to take the series in the future. I'd say this is how I have them:
Resident Evil
Resident Evil Code: Veronica
Resident Evil Remake
Resident Evil Zero
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
Resident Evil Gaiden
I just can't bring myself to include survivor. So there it is. 2 or 3 weren't really as fun for me, because I like the claustrophobic feel of the other games. In the original you're stuck in a mansion with zombie dogs waiting outside so you can't leave. Code: Veronica, you start on a prison-island in the middle of nowhere then...you're in Antarctica...'nuff said. Zero, you're on a speeding train full of killer leeches. Gaiden's okay since it takes place on a cruise ship, but the rest of the game is horrible. I like the no escape feel. 2 or 3 don't give that to me.
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Those two are close. Unfortunately, I haven't played CV since Complete was released on DC, so it may be that my memories are too kind to it.Quote:
Originally posted by Despair
Yoshi, CV is better than 0? :(
Hmm, I kinda digging Gaiden :p While the story is throw away, the action is ok, and I actually like the challengin hit the bar battle system :lol:
And at least there are no voice acting for Barry :)
What the hell are you talking about? The story is the only redeeming quality of Gaiden. I won't spoil it for you. I suppose it is a good challenge like crappy games usually are. Not difficult, just trying to play through the poor mechanics. Like TROGDOR!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Despair
Hmm, I kinda digging Gaiden :p While the story is throw away, the action is ok, and I actually like the challengin hit the bar battle system :lol:
And at least there are no voice acting for Barry :)
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Nextech also developed
Crusader of Centy
and Linkle Liver Story, which has the best 3D tree on saturn!
but the thing is, i STILL play thru it every so often. i just recently went thru the wretched Saturn rev last night :DQuote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
Not really a funny thing...the original was something new and fairly unique, so of course you'd play it over and over.
There are not that much story, really. Or at least in comparison to console RE games. I think I'm about half in the game(maybe more), and find it challenging enough(as trying to conserve the ammo, and determine which zombies have power ups, and which can be simply avoided. Plus the save system, makes it harder, since sometimes you go through alot of things before it lets you save.Quote:
Originally posted by spacecowboy
What the hell are you talking about? The story is the only redeeming quality of Gaiden. I won't spoil it for you. I suppose it is a good challenge like crappy games usually are. Not difficult, just trying to play through the poor mechanics. Like TROGDOR!!!!
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I've spent too much time going thru gamefaqs to find the answer to this question, hopefully someone here knows the answer to this.. can you unlock first person mode in the main game? I've unlocked it in battle mode and thats cool and all but to go thru the whole game in first person would be reason enough to play through it again.
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Zero over RE2? what
I love me some RE, but I didn't really like CV. The second game will always be my favorite, and I usually try to pretend the series' installments which were made afterwards (except for the REmake, of course) don't exist. :x
Awe, come on, the Saturn version isn't all bad. It has high res backgrounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Dyne
The character models look like crap though.
CV was a great game. I don't particualy care for the X Version, with the changes to the sub-character's etc, but it's still the peak of the series.
Still have to play 0 and REMake, though.
Having beat CV yesterday, I have to say it's by far my favorite in the series. So many unexpected things happened that I didn't expect to happen, gameplay-wize and story-wize. Everyone who likes these types of games needs to go find a copy(it's probably $5 DC or $10 PS2). I just hope RE4 can at least match how good CV is. But anyway, back to my original question, does anyone know if there is a first person mode for the main game? Also, I've noticed in some of the faqs that the authors refer to skill level settings. My DC CV doesn't have any choices, maybe thats just for CV Complete.
Unfortunately it is only available in battle mode. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by kbuchanan
I thought all versions had at least the standard "easy" and "normal" difficulty levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by kbuchanan
Drone's official "hardcore RE Fan" rankings:
Resident Evil Remake (GC)
RE:CV (Complete>X>Original)
RE (Dir Cut>Original)
RE 2 (GC/DC>Dual Shock ;)>Original>N64)
RE 0 (GC)
RE 3 (GC/DC/PSX)
RE Outbreak (PS2)
RE Dead Aim (PS2)
RE Gaiden (GBC)
RE Gun Survivor 2 (PS2)
RE Gun Survivor (PSX)
RE 2 (Game.com :yuck: )
-I have all the PC versions, but not a big fan.
Damn, thats a pisser. Thanks for answering though.
Hey, I might not know much, but I know RE. ;)
Why do so many people love part 2? It had the weakest puzzles in the series by far. It was more of an action game than a adventureous survival horror game like part 1. I think part 2 is the weakest of the bunch with part 1 and CV tied for the best in the series.
I liked RE3 a LOT. I mean a LOT.
I havn't played 3 in years, maybe I'll run thru it this weekend.
Because 2 gave us more zombies, mutants, 2 different character scenarious and some glimpses on the zombie infested Raccoon city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
And I still think CV is the weakest one in the series.
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Originally Posted by Despair
I see your point. I guess if I never played part 1 I would have enjoyed part 2 a lot more. I was expecting the great puzzles from part 1 and they were non existant. :confused:
Waxing nostalgic about the massive anticipation that built up before its release, the great characters and story (well, for an RE game), the Licker, the oodles of replay value, and so on, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
Most of the puzzles in any RE game are pretty easy, I can't see why anyone would single out a particular game in the series for having weak puzzles.
Because you get to be Leon. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
Like Dispair said, alot is probably the build up. It does alot to build the RE story and probably has the best stand-alone storyline of any RE game.
I still hope to someday play as Elza Walker.
No way, the puzzles in RE1 were creative and fun. A good example is the mixture you have to make(only if you play as Chris) to kill that giant tree or the code for the locked keycode door being on the pool table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Not Shade
RE2 only had those weak ,put the square handle in the square hole style puzzles.
True, RE2 and to think of it most of other games in the series are never going to be known for their mind breaking puzzles. If it is puzzles that you want in your horror game, play Silent Hill series instead :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
Even the mixture puzzle in RE wasnt all that hard. I do remember that god damn medalion hidden in the book in the original RE. I had no idea it was there and completely stuck, wandering for hours, trying to find out what the hell I needed to do to get past that part !!!!
Thank god I'm not the only one saying this. Every time RE rankings come up, I want to snap, because everybody keeps talking about RE2 like it was Christ or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
So far as I'm concerned,
RE:CV > RE / RE3 > Most things in life > Sex with fat chicks > RE2
I'm really torn about which to put before which in regards to RE and RE3. Without thinking, I'd say RE > RE3, but then I think that RE3 deserves more credit that it got.
RE3 is the most underrated in the series. :(
Are the GC ports of 2 and 3 really rare or something? It seems like they are much more expensive than the REmake and Zero, which were MADE for the system, and not ports.
They are not available new anymore...that's part of it. They didn't have a huge press run, but the fact that they demand near the original msrp for a used copy is rediculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by TobalRox
Worst of all they are basically the same as the mediocre DC ports, which retailed at $19.99, not $39.99!
Which are basically the same as the PC versions, which can be had for balls of lint or bits of string.Quote:
Originally Posted by Videodrone
Unfortunately unless you have a 1998 computer, they are near impossible to run.
RE2 is my favorite in the series, mainly because it was my first RE, the story is pretty good, the 2 characters are cool and its even cooler how each how 2 different scenarios, and its just one hell of a fun game. I've played through 2 so many times I know almost everything about that game.
RE was a great game and unfortunately I never beat the original, but the REmake was great and really brought back some good memories of the original.
I hated RE3 mainle because of the damn Nemesis. I just freakin hated that bitch. I also didn't like having only one main character to play as and then play as one other for like 10 min only (although I've gotten over that now).
CV the first time I played through, I hated it. Thought some of the level design was lame, some of the characters were lame (i think you all know who I'm refering to). I dunno, it just didn't click with me. When I replayed it on the cube, I did enjoy it more, but there was still something about it that just didn't compare to any of the previous, though I do like tons more than 3
0 was not as enjoyable, and is second to last right in front of 3. First time through, I realized boxes were the shit, and I ended up doing more backtracking that I would have if there were boxes. Also some of the puzzles were just annoying when you kept having to switch back and forth between characters.
Those are just my takes on each game. RE4 looking to be pretty good and will be an even bigger change than in any other RE game to date.
I agree with this except I'd definately put RE3 ahead of RE.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Ridiculous that the ports are so expensive, since I just wanted to move all the games to one system, to make it easier since i never played through them yet, and wanted to do so in the future... looks like it's ugly PSX for me hehe.. Anyway, I haven't put much time into 3 or CV, but I enjoyed 2 more than 1 in terms of scope, but sometimes 1 was just better for atmosphere. I also liked Dead Aim because I'm a sucker for light gun games.
Dead Aim isn't all that bad. I just wish the game would reward you for accuracy (head-shots don't seem to inflict anymore damage than body-shots).
Yeah, that really annoyed me since all the "normal" RE games seem to do this, as do any gun game worth anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Videodrone
man, ive been on such a Resident Evil kick lately.
i finally played through RE0 again. the first time i got stuck about 1/2 way through and i was really not enjoying the new "no Box" system.
but i just played through it twice in a row this week and i have to say i really really enjoyed it. the no box thing was way less of a problem once i got used to it, and i found myself backtracking way less than other RE games.
im not the most experienced Survival Horror expert, but i was suprised to find that i RE0 was quite beatable without once using the Grenade Launcher or any of those Molotov Cocktails.
i think the Leech Hunter game is one of the finest RE unlockables/minigames as well.
back to CV: i loved it. the graphics, story, and gameplay were all fun. ive never played any other versions than the original DC US release. what are the differences?
i also wanted to ask Videodrone about the GC release of RE2 (and the others). thanks in advance.
i was under the impression that 2 was'nt as good as the DC port. i has heard that it wasnt enhanced like the DC port and was pretty much a bare bones psx port. is this wrong?
how about the other in terms of enchanced graphics, extras, etc. ?
im missing RE2 and 3 from my collection and im trying to firgure out what versions to get.
im also really looking forward to RE4. everytime i see Videodrones sig it make me think about how much im anticipating this game. cant wait!
X for PS2 and GC are indentical. X vs the original DC version basically has 10 additional minutes of cuts scenes and Steve gets a haircut to make him look less like Leo...seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrt
Some say better graphics, but I don't see it.
Well for 2, the DC version is the way to go. It has all the cool feature from the PC Platinum version (galleries, extreme battle mode w/Chris and Ada, rearranged mode). The graphics are the same as the PC version. One other difference is that the DC version has health and ammo on your VMU, very helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrt
The Cube version is near Identical gameplay and graphic wise, but does not feature the High res 60FPS cut scenes. Why not? No idea. Some say the backgrounds are better looking in the GC version. Of course the cube version lacks the VMU feature. ;)
For 3, again probably the DC version with all it's features and VMU support. Unless you can get the PC version which supports up to 1600x1200 or something crazy. At that high of res the polys look silly against the background.
The GC port is a joke. No Mercinaries mode (or extra costumes :\) One thing it does have going for it that it fixes alot of the poly clipping that affected the other ports.
I love many of the RE bonus games, but this one by far is my fav.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrt
Are you sure? I thought it was a straight port of the PS version, meaning that you needed to beat the game first to unlock the extras (Mad Jackal game and costumes for Jill).Quote:
Originally Posted by Videodrone
Anyway, the original Resident Evil was my first PS game along with Jumping Flash 2, so I do have some fond memories about it. I did the mistake of purchasing the game without a memory card (which I didn't get until months later) though, so I had to play the game from start to finish on one sitting (I always got taken out by the Hunters though). When I finally did get that memory card, I've played both, Jill's and Chris' games in tandem. I eventually learned how to beat the game under the three-hour limit to get the Infinity Launcher by learning which non-essential portions of the game.
I decided to skip Resident Evil: Director's Cut (being such a fanboy back then, I was dissapointed by the censored opening despite Capcom's promise). I purchased RE2 shortly after it's release and I wasn't dissapointed at all. Even though it was clearly more action-oriented than the original and a bit easier too, every other aspects of the game (namely the amount of extras such as costumes and mini-games) more than made up for it. When I was younger, I could even beat each of the main four scenarios at will on one sitting without ever saving the game. I later traded my regular copy with the Dual Shock edition, just so I could play as Ada and Chris.
RE3: Nemesis felt more like an expansion pack of RE2 than a full-fledge sequel. I don't know why Capcom decided to give it a numbered title to Nemesis, but not Code: Veronica (which pushed the story abit more than RE3 did), but I still liked Nemesis. It's what RE2 should've been in my opinion.
Code: Veronica was okay I guess. I didn't get to play it until rather recently and it was the PS2 version (couldn't find the Dreamcast original). The fully 3D graphics didn't wow me as much as it would've back when it was released and also, the engine was clearly a step back from RE3 (then again, the game was in development a bit longer). I'll admit Wesker did kick ass though.
REmake is probably one of my favorite GameCube games of all time. It was what a remake should be. I didn't RE0 that much though. The whole dropping/exchange items system was way more tedious than any item box. Also, RE0's excuse of a story felt more like filler than a tell-all prequel that was promised. I appreciate the change of direction with RE4, since RE0 felt way too formulatic.
cool, thanks for the summary drone.
ive played both 2 and 3 on the psx a few years back, never owned them though. its high time i correct that.
the DC versions sound good to me. then i can have 3 on the DC and 3 on the cube. (my 2 fave systems, no offenxe psx.)
-RE0 may have been somewhat of a step back from REmake, and just more of the same with a wierd twist (teamwork/item exchange), but once i finally got into it, i really loved it.
the story wasnt a revelation forwarding the RE story line for me, but its the little in-game notes and scenes that do it for me.
the graphics rock, the teamwork thing was pretty damn cool once i got used to it, and the item swap/leave system took some getting used to, but it was no less tedious then the item box of old (one i got the hang of it).
-i guess i can sort of understand the hate some people have for the RE games in general, but i understand the love much more.
i have loved the series since i first played RE on the Saturn, and i still love it. its not a nostalgia thing either, because i wouldnt have played the various games as many times as i have and still enjoy them as much as i do.
theyre just plain fun for me.
the save/item box room music allways gets me.
love the series. bring on RE4! :D
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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
Actually you are probably right. I know that they are unlocked from the get-go on the dc and pc version. I only played the gc version for a 15 minutes or so when I use to work at GS and realized that it was worth much for that $20.
I did look it up. You are right, they straight ported the PSX version, so they are unlockable. my bad. ;)
I still don't know why the cut those parts in the intro. That aside, I still remember loving Director's Cut because it made me jump more than any other Res Evil. The genius of it was that every place you expected a creature to jump thru a window it didn't. When you put down your guard because you knew a certain hallway was clear, that's when they got you. The game preyed on fans who knew the first in and out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
I have always felt the exact same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
I've never beaten an RE game, so I decided to pick up the original Director's Cut Dual Shock for five bucks.
Not as pretty as it was in 1996, hah. Still, it seems to be surprisingly playable, so I'll give it a shot.
Less innovative, with worse character/monster design and half the replay value? :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
I'm not trying to start shit, I just don't get how anyone could seriously put RE3 over RE2. Speaking as a longtime fan of the RE series, the third installment always felt entirely forgettable to me. The new monsters were boring, Nemesis was Mr. X with a rocket launcher, and the game itself just didn't offer anything special. It was filler, basically.
Somebody write me a detailed essay on why RE3 is so awesome, so my head will stop hurting thinking about it. :S
yeah besides RE0, RE Nemesis is the only other RE game ive only played thru once. it just fealt like a chore to me. and this is coming from the guy that has bought and played thru all rereleases, director cuts and remakes. yet these two in the series only got one playthru.
Consolewar politics, I'm guessing. Code Veronica is clearly the sequel to the RE2 storyline, chapter numbers be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
"the save/item box room music allways gets me."
Me too. I liked the Code Veronica save room music so much that I redid it on my Trinity V3. It's nearly indistinguishable from the game version.
that sounds awesome kbuchanan.
that reminds me, ive been thinking about hunting down some of the official soundtracks for some of the RE games. if i remember they were pretty expensive when i saw a few around online.
anyone have them or heard them? just wondering exactly what theyre like. have they all had the same composer? are tracks allways redone/rerecorded from title to title, or how much recycling is going on. if i remember they were pretty expensive when i saw a few around online.
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damn, ok im convinced.
i need to go and start up a new run through CV.
its been too long.
I've got CV soundtrack ( I love it, listened to it while driving yesterday). I don't have the others so I can't tell you if it's the same composer. I'll check it tomorrow and tell you who it is though.
Composer: Takeshi Miura, Hiziri Anze, and Sanae Kasahara