Opinions of Sen. John Edwards

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Originally posted by StriderKyo
Evangelicals backing a jewish guy? Please explain.

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Evangelicals absolutely love Israel and Jews - they appreciate Lieberman's moral strength, his commitment to his religion, all of that. The May 3 debate was pushed to after sundown so Lieberman could participate (Sabbath), and that sort of stuff is like manna for evangelical Christians. A lot of people think evangelicals support Israel because there's something in the bible that says that once Israel is reclaimed by the Jews, we'll figure out the whole Jesus thing and the world will be one step closer to Revelations or something like that.

Lieberman polls really, really well with evangelicals.

Except for the fact that evangelicals think all Jews are going to hell.

Minor detail, I know.

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Except for the fact that evangelicals think all Jews are going to hell.

Minor detail, I know.

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You disagreeing with the idea that Evangelicals will support an Orthodox Jew in an election, or just being snarky?

And, anyways, I don't think being hell-bound necessarily disqualifies someone for the office, even in the minds of those people.

I was responding to this:

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Evangelicals absolutely love Israel and Jews - they appreciate Lieberman's moral strength, his commitment to his religion, all of that.

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Love the sinner, hate the sin, etc. Just pointing out the irony.

I think evangelical Christians support candidates who are fiercely pro-Israel (including Orthodox Jews), but for their own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with Judaism or what's best for Jews.

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Edwards is a puppet, so the comparison to Clinton is a good one.

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Yoshi, can you explain this comment? Is he a Democrat version of Lindsey Graham (SC's Bush yes-man)? If so, that's a strike against him in my book. I can appreciate supporting your party, but from a state perspective, I want someone who will look out for the state before the party. Lindsey has literally said that he'd agree with ANYTHING from Bush. I hate that in Republicans AND Democrats...

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
I think evangelical Christians support candidates who are fiercely pro-Israel (including Orthodox Jews), but for their own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with Judaism or what's best for Jews.

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Ahh, gotcha - yeah, you're right, although I think there's a measure of actual, reasoned respect for what Israel is doing, something not related to the Biblical implications of Jewish control of the area.

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Except for the fact that evangelicals think all Jews are going to hell.

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Depends on which 'evengelicals' you ask.

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Except for the fact that evangelicals think all Jews are going to hell.

Minor detail, I know.

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thats why i love this guy:p

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Originally posted by Wolffen
What I wouldn't give for a McCain ticket in 2004...

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you and me both.

and yes, i agree that right now edward's trail lawyer background would be rife for the picking,as most peopel can be turned against them rather easily by bringing up some non-representative samples of their work. so i dont see edwards as a person who could beat bush. lieberman i would like myself, i agree with diff, he had a point at the time,and I think a lot gamers are just being paranoid and small minded, Lieberman would probably do well with religious catholics too,better to have a real Jew than a phony christian. as for the nader effect, it could hurt any cantidate who appeals to moderates, since nader polls so well with the extreme american left, but you never know, last election the reform party was chaotic,and that helped the republicans. If the reform party gets their act together this time, it could split the conservatives,and this could be a very interesting election. Dont get me wrong,neither green nor reformhave a snowball's chance in hell,but it would be a test of who has a more frustrated fringe, the repubs or the democrats.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Im actually fairly certain that Liberman doesn't want that - he was just shocked back in 1992 or whenever when there was a game, unrated game mind you, that featured guys who rip hearts and spines off people, brutally killing them, and said game was played my tens of thousands of little kids. I read in an NG interview he heard about it from his kids, and he was horrified - and what's so wrong with that? My mom was horrified when she saw MK for the first time. So he advocated a rating system. And there is one now. He still comes out with his 10 most violent games list every year, but really, who pays attention to that anymore?

Lieberman has become a pariah to gamers, but I think that maybe it was a bit harsh. You have to be a total moron to think that violent videogames have absolutely no effect on a person, and really, the guy never really did anything wrong (to my knowledge) - he just advocated a rating system, which yea there really should be.

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It wasn't that - in the last election he was going after hollywood quite fiercely, and I remember a quote where he was saying nobody underage should be able to see any kind of violence at all, especially on tv. That's just goofy, and makes me think the guy's either not playing with a full deck, or doesn't care what kind of fears he has to blow out of proportion to guilt votes out of parents. Either way, I wasn't blown away by the guy's "moral" stance.

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Originally posted by Stone
Evangelicals absolutely love Israel and Jews - they appreciate Lieberman's moral strength, his commitment to his religion, all of that. The May 3 debate was pushed to after sundown so Lieberman could participate (Sabbath), and that sort of stuff is like manna for evangelical Christians. A lot of people think evangelicals support Israel because there's something in the bible that says that once Israel is reclaimed by the Jews, we'll figure out the whole Jesus thing and the world will be one step closer to Revelations or something like that.

Lieberman polls really, really well with evangelicals.

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Hmm...that's really odd. I'd still have to figure that the born-again Dubya could beat a "heathen" when it comes to getting the Christian vote, though.

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Originally posted by frostwolf ex
as for the nader effect, it could hurt any cantidate who appeals to moderates, since nader polls so well with the extreme american left, but you never know, last election the reform party was chaotic,and that helped the republicans. If the reform party gets their act together this time, it could split the conservatives,and this could be a very interesting election.

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Nader's entry into the party would hurt any Democratic candidate, no matter who ran, but it'd hurt Lieberman more - simply because he's further right. It'd limit his ability to capture the moderate voters he should have, since he'd have to play left to fight off the Greens. A guy like Howard Dean would lose voters to the Greens, too, but nowhere near as many since he's already naturally left.

I've heard Lieberman's not leading in fundraising, which really surprises me.

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That's just goofy, and makes me think the guy's either not playing with a full deck, or doesn't care what kind of fears he has to blow out of proportion to guilt votes out of parents. Either way, I wasn't blown away by the guy's "moral" stance.

Hmm...that's really odd. I'd still have to figure that the born-again Dubya could beat a "heathen" when it comes to getting the Christian vote, though.

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Lieberman's just genuinely worried about the effect violent entertainment has on children. He's not looking to censor it - he just wants to protect children from that sort of stuff. His beliefs in that area are a lot less virulent than I think some people make it seem.

Lieberman basically touches on all of the same bases that Bush does when it comes to the important issues for evangelicals, and past that point, I think the strength of Lieberman's observation is what puts him ahead.

(side question - for any Jews on this board: would you feel compelled to vote for Lieberman just because he's a Jew, whether you agree with his politics or not? Hard question to answer, I know. Honestly, that's a motivating factor for me in and of itself. I know the guy, and I think he's great, and he's as close to me politically as Bush is, but I also think I just feel a responsibility to vote for him because he's Jewish.)