I am thinking of getting 1... opinions would be greatly appreciated...
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I am thinking of getting 1... opinions would be greatly appreciated...
Being that there is no PS2 network practically...
You can play SOCOM, Frequency and Amplitude, that ATV game, Everquest, and some sports. That's about it.
If you have a BB connection, Live is the way to go. Voice chat and the friends list make a WORLD of difference and I just enjoy the games more. There's more of a sense of community on Live.
Make that 2 for XBL. I have both and I hardly play my PS2 online. There's something about being able to talk smack to someone online that makes Live the way to go for me.
I have broadband.. but I don't have an ethernet cable port, so I use USB. Is that ok?!?
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Originally posted by Orta
I have broadband.. but I don't have an ethernet cable port, so I use USB. Is that ok?!?
so what do I have to do?!? I have an ethernet cable... do I hook it up to my modem/Xbx?!?
Does your modem have an RJ 45 plug(looks like a phone plug but it's wider) on it too? If so, you can hook it right into your PS2/XBOX. If not, you're going to have to use ICS which runs the modem into your PC and you hook your PS2/XBOX into your PC.
Do you have a router?
I have my modem connected to a router via a category 5 cable and my PC, Xbox, and PS2 connected as well.
Works fine for me. :)
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Originally posted by Nigel-The-Landstalker
Does your modem have an RJ 45 plug(looks like a phone plug but it's wider) on it too? .
Yeah.
I don't have a router... not that I know of anyway.Quote:
Do you have a router?
Thanks for all the suggestions/help.
I think if you use the USB connection for your PC(I'm assuming that's what you use it for) and the RJ45 cable to connect your system you'll be fine.
As with anything else, it comes down to what game(s) you want to play. The only online console game that has been announced that I have to play is Resident Evil Outbreak. Everything else is either meh or better on PC. Thus, I would choose the PS2. No service is worth anything without must-have games.
PS2. Not only do you not have to make any commitment to a service, but the only decent XBL game is CVS2. Oh, and ask xbl players how they enjoy 16 player DM games. Chances are they can't :p
Online gaming really isn't a big deal. The PS2 NA is great for people like me who only use online play when they're bored and no ones around to play CS on PC.
Xbox, because the network itself will get better, and by the time Halo 2 comes out, I will bet that the games will be as close to lag free as they are getting.
Both suck, but XBL has Capcom vs SNK 2. And CvsS2 online is really cool.
That's bull, Moto GP is f**king awesome, and Wolfenstein also rocks, others swear by Ghost Recon and the Sega Sports titles. Also, with the new Live pricing structure you could just try it out for one month for $5.99, not to mention there's supposed to be a free trial too.Quote:
Originally posted by Sl1p
PS2. Not only do you not have to make any commitment to a service, but the only decent XBL game is CVS2.
I can, most GP games are close to 16 players ( I've been in a game with people from the opposite coast, Canada, and the UK all at the same time ) and I just played a 16 player Wolfenstein match today - though 4 on 4 is plenty on most maps. Ask PS2 online users how much they like trying to find people they know to play without calling them or scheduling a time to meet.Quote:
Oh, and ask xbl players how they enjoy 16 player DM games. Chances are they can't
Speak for yourself, but I think Microsoft's Live service has been excecuted nicely so far, and the standard voice chat and friends list truely are building an online "community" if you will. Bottom line, unless you're dead set on playing an online title that's only on the PS2, if you have broadband you'll get the most out of Xbox Live.Quote:
Online gaming really isn't a big deal.
Have the people who are dissing on the PS2's online actually used it? You all make it sound like it's dixie cups and string compared to Live.
And Sl1p's right. Trying to play a 16 player deathmatch (DM for short - he wasn't talking about goddamned Moto GP) offa someone's cable modem is pure pain. What the hell are MS spending the billions of dollars on? Cuz they aren't putting up any servers for these games.
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Originally posted by Melf
Being that there is no PS2 network practically...
You can play SOCOM, Frequency and Amplitude, that ATV game, Everquest, and some sports. That's about it.
What about Auto Modelista, NFL2k3, Madden 2003? I have a DSL connection and have been thinking about getting the network adapter for my PS2, or getting the broadband adapter for the Gamecube for PSO and hopefully future titles.
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Originally posted by Melf
Do you have a router?
I have my modem connected to a router via a category 5 cable and my PC, Xbox, and PS2 connected as well.
Works fine for me. :)
Router? Why not just use a 4 port mini-hub and save the headaches and added price?
Listen to him.Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
As with anything else, it comes down to what game(s) you want to play.
PS2 has THPS 3 and 4 online, and because of this, and only this, I will be getting the adapter some time in the near future.
Furthermore, the new Syphon Filter's online options sound cool as hell.
I haven't played Auto Modelista, so I won't venture an opinion about it. The sports titles are on Live as well though, aren't they?Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
What about Auto Modelista, NFL2k3, Madden 2003? I have a DSL connection and have been thinking about getting the network adapter for my PS2, or getting the broadband adapter for the Gamecube for PSO and hopefully future titles.
I got my NA because it was $14 at Wal-Mart. I've played Frequency and loved it and am thinking about Everquest (opinions?) which is $20 new at Kay-Bee. It's a cool thing to have, I just think Live is a better online experience.
That works if he's only using USB, right? I have an ethernet card and use cat. 5 cable, so the router is better for me (PC, Xbox, PS2, hepeofully GC one day).Quote:
Router? Why not just use a 4 port mini-hub and save the headaches and added price?
1) The sports titles are available on live, but EA has opted to put their support behind Sony's console, bacause of Live's setup.Quote:
Originally posted by Melf
1) The sports titles are on Live as well though, aren't they?
2)I got my NA because it was $14 at Wal-Mart. I've played Frequency and loved it and am thinking about Everquest (opinions?) which is $20 new at Kay-Bee. It's a cool thing to have, I just think Live is a better online experience.
3)That works if he's only using USB, right? I have an ethernet card and use cat. 5 cable, so the router is better for me (PC, Xbox, PS2, hepeofully GC one day).
2) Gamestop has a free trial disk of Everquest available.
3) The hub is basically a repeater. You can take one output to the P.C. and the other to your consoles.
EverQuest Online Adventures is a really terrible game, even by EverQuest standards. I played it extensively for about a week, and it's not even on par with the original, pre-Kunark EverQuest. I got it for free, and I still felt ripped off.
Comcast charges $10 a month or so for each extra IP address. You can set up one of your computers to act as a "router", but for the price of an extra NIC and a switch, you could just buy a router. Comcast does have a service plan that's somewhere from $90-$100 a month for 5 dedicated IP addresses and a faster connection. I'd rather buy a router for $50 instead of paying $50 a month for more IP addresses and a faster connection that won't help anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
Router? Why not just use a 4 port mini-hub and save the headaches and added price?
As far as the services go, Live is easily tops. Nobody here who actually has it ever has anything bad to say about it, and being able to find your friends online whatever game they're in and being able to talk to people in everything is cool.
Costwise, both are pretty similar - you pay for Live, but you also have to pay for the PS2's BBA. True, the BBA's a one-time cost, but while most PS2 games are free right now, EA sports, Everquest and Final Fantasy XI are going to be charging starting this fall, and you can expect most other games to follow suit.
But that's not really what you get it for - it's the games. For me it was CvS2 and PSO that sold me on Live, and I've absolutely played the living shit out of both. Well worth the money and then some, compared to most games.
I can't really provide a complete list, but Sony's got/going to have Tony Hawk, RE online, the getting-mixed-reviews Final Fantasy XI and SOCOM (and Amplitude, if you're into it). Xbox has/will have Wolfenstein, the excellent Phantasy Star, Capcom vs. SNK 2, Halo 2, Rallisport Challenge 2, True Fantasy Live Online and Project Gotham 2. Go with what matches your personal tastes. Anything else is pointless.
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Originally posted by basemies
Comcast charges $10 a month or so for each extra IP address. You can set up one of your computers to act as a "router", but for the price of an extra NIC and a switch, you could just buy a router. Comcast does have a service plan that's somewhere from $90-$100 a month for 5 dedicated IP addresses and a faster connection. I'd rather buy a router for $50 instead of paying $50 a month for more IP addresses and a faster connection that won't help anyway.
I don't see where you're getting extra IP address costs? I've ran extra lines off of a DSL modem, to a hub in homes around Dallas. You take the ethernet out of the DSL modem, into the hub and patch several P.C.'s into the output of the hub. I'm not too sure about how consoles work in this matter, but I'm sure it works the same, as networking P.C.'s. They all share the bandwidth and when the P.C. is'nt being used, the whole of the bandwidth is being used by the console.
You can't use your PC and your console of choice at the same time if you are using a hub. You can alternate which is nice because you don't have to keep unplugging cables but if you aren't going to use a router(which allows you to use both at the same time) you should be using a auto sensing switch. It is much faster then a hub. That way you get the most out of your connection. Anyone using a hub should get rid of it and get a switch. They are just as cheap too which makes it nice.
I have it. I'm here. I have bad things to say about it. Don't ignore me. :(Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo Nobody here who actually has it ever has anything bad to say about it
Also, he seems to completely disregard the fact that if someone has bad things to say about it, they are more likely to not subscribe to it. After all, if you think there are problems and think it's not worth the money, why would you pay for the service?Quote:
Originally posted by rummy
I have it. I'm here. I have bad things to say about it. Don't ignore me. :(
I don't subscribe to Xbox Live, because there are no games I want to play on it. When they've got something besides mostly downgraded PC ports of titles I can already play online for free, I'll reconsider it. But until then, games like Soldier of Fortune 2, Counter-Strike, and Wolfenstein aren't going to change my mind.
I've used both online networks, and people vastly exaggerate the advantages Xbox Live has over the PS2's online components.
In other words, what Yoshi said:
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As with anything else, it comes down to what game(s) you want to play. The only online console game that has been announced that I have to play is Resident Evil Outbreak. Everything else is either meh or better on PC. Thus, I would choose the PS2. No service is worth anything without must-have games.
As much as I hate Xbox Live, it does have the only online fighting game right now, with another on the way this year. CVS2 is a really solid fighter, too; I like it better than any game in the Alpha or SF3 series. So to say that Xbox Live doesn't have any worthwile exclusives is wrong.
Anyway, neither Sony nor Microsoft have gotten it right yet. Paying $40 for a modem isn't much better than paying $50 for a starter kit. And Sony is going with the pay-to-play Live model soon; they're just suckering people in right now. To take one side over the other at this time is pointless.
Each device hooked up to a network needs a unique IP address. Comcast doesn't provide these for free, so a router or using a pc with 2 NICs as a router is the only solution if your ISP doesn't provide exra IP addresses for free. If your ISP provides extra IP addresses for free, then you don't need a router.Quote:
Originally posted by gamevet
I don't see where you're getting extra IP address costs? I've ran extra lines off of a DSL modem, to a hub in homes around Dallas. You take the ethernet out of the DSL modem, into the hub and patch several P.C.'s into the output of the hub. I'm not too sure about how consoles work in this matter, but I'm sure it works the same, as networking P.C.'s. They all share the bandwidth and when the P.C. is'nt being used, the whole of the bandwidth is being used by the console.
XBOX Live it is! Thanks for the opinions/information.