It's awarded by a socialist country. I think you need to look up the definition as well - it isn't synonimous with communism.Quote:
Originally posted by Hero
You say that like it was a bad thing. ^_^
Maybe Castro should win the Peace Prize...?
It's awarded by a socialist country. I think you need to look up the definition as well - it isn't synonimous with communism.Quote:
Originally posted by Hero
You say that like it was a bad thing. ^_^
Maybe Castro should win the Peace Prize...?
I think he was just casting his vote for Castro. Ya know, for the social injustices he rectified awhile back (just ask Almaci why he's such a great guy and why his alleged misbehavior is really just due to the US's capitolistic misbehavior and therefore justified) - doubtful it was a socialist/communist confusion. But, while not synonymous, they're not alien to each other... If you go by good ole Marxy and Engels (men of peace and social justice), 'scientific socialism' is communism or a step towards it... But, yeah, I guess we should be very careful not to confuse the two.. right then... We wouldn't want to offend socialists by misrepresenting them as communists since the two ideologies don't have anything to do with each other whatsoever. Well whatever, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs I say, so let's just ignore the past century and work towards a better and brighter REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION ;).Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
It's awarded by a socialist country. I think you need to look up the definition as well - it isn't synonimous with communism.
Anyway, as for Cuba, the United Nations placed it on the human rights commission, so they must be doing something right to have been allowed such an important moral responsibility... So, let's cut the sarcastic attacks against Castro, shall we? I get tired of all these white, right-wing, judeo-christian, conservative Castro-bashers myself; they're just narrow-minded ideologues that don't see past the bigger picture here if you ask me. Ignorance is bliss... What right do we have to go around criticizing/preempting other governments/leaders just because we disagree or don't like them? Sadly, arrogance knows no limits...
I live in a socialist country myself, and believe me, we like our big screen tvs, $400 hockey tickets and Passats too much to give it up in the name of the worker's paradise. We just think it's lame for sick children to die because their parents don't make as much money as an insurance company says they should, and poverty shouldn't be an unreasonably inescapable trap.Quote:
Originally posted by NightWolve
I think he was just casting his vote for Castro. Ya know, for the social injustices he rectified awhile back (just ask Almaci why he's such a great guy and why his alleged misbehavior is really just due to the US's capitolistic misbehavior and therefore justified) - doubtful it was a socialist/communist confusion. But, while not synonymous, they're not alien to each other... If you go by good ole Marxy and Engels (men of peace and social justice), 'scientific socialism' is communism or a step towards it... But, yeah, I guess we should be very careful not to confuse the two.. right then... We wouldn't want to offend socialists by misrepresenting them as communists since the two ideologies don't have anything to do with each other whatsoever. Well whatever, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs I say, so let's just ignore the past century and work towards a better and brighter REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION ;).
You won't see me moving to Cuba any time soon, or brushing past Senor Fidel's human rights record.Quote:
Anyway, as for Cuba, the United Nations placed it on the human rights commission, so they must be doing something right to have been allowed such an important moral responsibility... So, let's cut the sarcastic attacks against Castro, shall we? I get tired of all these white, right-wing, judeo-christian, conservative Castro-bashers myself; they're just narrow-minded ideologues that don't see past the bigger picture here if you ask me. Ignorance is bliss... What right do we have to go around criticizing/preempting other governments/leaders just because we disagree or don't like them? Sadly, arrogance knows no limits...
I know, I was just bored ;)... I agree that some socialist policies work in moderation, but as a born-again right-winger, I gotta do my part and be disagreeable :P.Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
I live in a socialist country myself, and believe me, we like our big screen tvs, $400 hockey tickets and Passats too much to give it up in the name of the worker's paradise. We just think it's lame for sick children to die because their parents don't make as much money as an insurance company says they should, and poverty shouldn't be an unreasonably inescapable trap.
I don't know about anyone/thing they disagree with, but I think it's a pretty safe bet for them to call what they view as killing for power or money evil.Quote:
Originally posted by Zerodash
Once again, I see leftists calling anyone/thing that they disagree with as being "evil". Thats especially nifty considering how you all cry about "open-mindedness" and "understanding". Please take your own advice.
And you right-wingers ain't no angels either...
And that comment wasn't narrow minded?Quote:
Originally posted by NightWolve
I get tired of all these white, right-wing, judeo-christian, conservative Castro-bashers myself; they're just narrow-minded ideologues that don't see past the bigger picture here if you ask me.
These comments bother me, as well as clue me in on your total lack of information and understanding.Quote:
Originally posted by NightWolve
but as a born-again right-winger, I gotta do my part and be disagreeable :P.
Please stop.
But from the socialist-esque experiments we run here, all I see it do is tie up things and push poor into a dependant role, where the government plays as a supplier, all the while feeding them the lines of the 'evil rich people' who want to walk all over you, take your money, put your kids in sweatshops, and so on and so on. I hate how, since my sister needs to get an operation on her knees, and is covered by our health insurance, they still deny her, run her around and through red tape, and all sorts of buericratic nonsense. Shouldn't she have the freedom to go to whichever doctor is the most qualified and take care of it?Quote:
Originally posted by StriderKyo
I live in a socialist country myself, and believe me, we like our big screen tvs, $400 hockey tickets and Passats too much to give it up in the name of the worker's paradise. We just think it's lame for sick children to die because their parents don't make as much money as an insurance company says they should, and poverty shouldn't be an unreasonably inescapable trap.
Our government (more on the left, but quite universal overall) also promotes social warfare, envy, and hatred of the rich by the poor. It makes easy pickings for voter support since there's more poor than rich, and if you keep it that way, and continue to whisper in their ear about how the rich man wants to bring you down, you get more votes. And so the cycle goes.
As far as proving the notion that George Herbert is running the show, well I'm not going to bother. I'm quite sure I could find many an article amongst the liberal press that would shed light and draw some connections, but of course they'd be from the liberal press and would be summarily discredited as such. And that's fine. I've come to my conclusions without the aid of media from any political stance. They've all got agendas. Anyway, I feel pretty fortunate that I've been blessed with the ability to detect bullshit in a timely manner. The point here is, if you can't spot bullshit when it's being laid right in front of you, you need more help than I'll be able to offer you through this message board.
The notion that GeorgeW is anything other than a patsy working for the man (his old man that is) is bullshit. He's the Reagan of the new millenium.
The moon thing was clearly a joke. But I do like how it's never very long after you say something like that until some sheltered jarhead steps in and tries to send you off to the third world. For those types, I would implore you to leave the country and visit Europe. If you need to visit a "coalition" country, visit England. You'll see that even though they maintain alot of socialist ideals and practices, that things are pretty much the same by and large (with the exception of colored folks who have it better in just about any European country) as they are in the USofA. People have shoes, they get to vote, they get to buy that new Eminem album and they even get free speech and a whole host of other great things that we think we're so very special for allowing. Message to the sheltered homebodies: The United States of America is not and most likely never will be the be-all end-all of human civilization and organized soiciety.
How communism as applied by Cuba and socialism as applied by oh... let's say The Netherlands can be compared is beyond me. A truly amazing line of logic.
And yeah, I definitely think that anyone who kills people without reason is evil. That's pretty black and white. I'm pretty sure that no Iraqi civilians raped Barbara Bush, defecated in her change purse and kicked her down a flight of steps to her death. Even if it had gone down like that you have wonder how many hundreds of them (civilians I'm talkin' here) would need to die before the Bush family would be satisfied.
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so it's all relative then - since the rest of the world is socialist, any decent person would be the same.
No, it was socialist/communist confusion. Hero has absolutely no idea what communism actually is. He once tried to equate government by corporations with communism.Quote:
Originally posted by NightWolve
I think he was just casting his vote for Castro. Ya know, for the social injustices he rectified awhile back (just ask Almaci why he's such a great guy and why his alleged misbehavior is really just due to the US's capitolistic misbehavior and therefore justified) - doubtful it was a socialist/communist confusion.
That's a sad story and all, but I can't see what it has to do with socialism. Last time I checked, health insurance was a private industry.Quote:
Originally posted by Hero
I hate how, since my sister needs to get an operation on her knees, and is covered by our health insurance, they still deny her, run her around and through red tape, and all sorts of buericratic nonsense. Shouldn't she have the freedom to go to whichever doctor is the most qualified and take care of it?