I can understand backlash, but not against DKC

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Can't be as dumb as you. Prerendered games just don't control well. That's why in RE only the BG's are prerendered. Plus that's why KI controlled like shiet. Only sprites and polygons hack it in the control department, with polygons you have physics too. DKC had a bit of a delay and felt a bit sluggish. So STFU.

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Besides the fact that I was playing the game moments ago and the controls were quite fine, programming for sprites made from pre-renders isn't different from programming for hand drawn sprites. If there's a problem with controls in a game that happens to have pre-renders, it isn't because it has prerenders.

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Originally posted by rezo
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Besides the fact that I was playing the game moments ago and the controls were quite fine, programming for sprites made from pre-renders isn't different from programming for hand drawn sprites. If there's a problem with controls in a game that happens to have pre-renders, it isn't because it has prerenders.

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Name a game that has prerendered characters that control really good then. DKC, KI, Skeleton warriors etc. all had some pretty sluggish control. I'm guessing it has something to do with the collision detection. Plus RE bg's or FF7 bg's not being interactive unless the items are polygons should tell you more than enough.

here's me naming a prerendered characters game that controlled fine:

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Besides the fact that I was playing the game moments ago and the controls were quite fine

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fine= I didn't have any problems with the controls.

Collision detection is handled the same way with pre-rendered sprites as it is with pixel art sprites.

I'm going to assume that you don't understand how they're used, but a prerendered from 3D, or pixel art image is treated the same way once they're used as sprites. RE and FF7 use 3D objects as interactive for the same reason that pot in a cartoon that is about to break is done with cels instead of being painted into the background. They can take their basic 3D object and place it wherever they want , in whatever scale they want, and thats it, or they can find out what scale its supposed to be, what direction its supposed to be(for a particular BG) save it as a pre-render, and make a huge sprite sheet for all of the various angles they have for their "treasure box". Uneccesarily tedious. So they use 3D objects.

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Originally posted by rezo
here's me naming a prerendered characters game that controlled fine:



fine= I didn't have any problems with the controls.

Collision detection is handled the same way with pre-rendered sprites as it is with pixel art sprites.

I'm going to assume that you don't understand how they're used, but a prerendered from 3D, or pixel art image is treated the same way once they're used as sprites. RE and FF7 use 3D objects as interactive for the same reason that pot in a cartoon that is about to break is done with cels instead of being painted into the background. They can take their basic 3D object and place it wherever they want , in whatever scale they want, and thats it, or they can find out what scale its supposed to be, what direction its supposed to be(for a particular BG) save it as a pre-render, and make a huge sprite sheet for all of the various angles they have for their "treasure box". Uneccesarily tedious. So they use 3D objects.

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If you're a programmer than fine, I'm wrong.Otherwise if it's such a bitch to make BG's interactive wouldn't it be just as tedious to give prerendered enemies and characters interact with each other? Seems like KI is sluggish as hell and arms and legs go all over the place or don't even connect(yet you still hit the enemy somehow, kinda like digitized characters in MK and pit fighter. So KI is just really shoddy programming?

Yeah, my understanding comes from programming.
As for KI being shoddily programmed, if the collision detection is so wonky, then that would be my guess. I haven't played it in a while.


Making BGs interactive isn't really a bitch, but the some ways are obviously not as simple as others. Its easier to just use the 3D objects and place them where they see fit than to work them into the BGs individually.

don't bring this topic to KI, now... KI is a solid fighting game with quite a bit of depth.. if you've ever played the game against serious competition (xband, for example), you'd know this.... you'd know what's possible in the game..

i mean, it hasn't held up extremely well, because the style sort of screams '96, but it was great for its time.

Meh, I enjoyed the cart levels of DKC tremendously. The platforming was decent and the game was solid. The graphics sold it, though.

As far as the whole "pre-renders don't controll as well as sprites" thing: Pre-renders are sprites! Complealy identical in every way. The program doesn't care how the sprite came to be (put there by hand or rendered by computer), it just cares that it is there there. It doesn't even have any way of knowing how the sprite was created...

I just hate pre-renders because they are ugly as sin. :)

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Originally posted by diffusionx
The game had jungle, forest, underwater, temple, snow, factory, and cave levels. It was a walking fucking cliche of videogame platformers.

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Didn't it have mine cart levels as well? You can't get any more cliche than that.

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Originally posted in GunValkyrie4Life's profile
Birthday - July 29, 1968

No fucking way.

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Just swap the last two digits and it makes a lot more sense.

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Originally posted by Chibi Nappa
As far as the whole "pre-renders don't controll as well as sprites" thing: Pre-renders are sprites! Complealy identical in every way. The program doesn't care how the sprite came to be (put there by hand or rendered by computer), it just cares that it is there there. It doesn't even have any way of knowing how the sprite was created...

I just hate pre-renders because they are ugly as sin. :)

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no, a sprite is a sprite
a pre-render is more like a 7-up