Sega making a Halo killer?

Sorry if this has been posted already, but we're all a bunch of certifiable Sega whores so I don't think it'd make any difference ;) Anyway, the following was the first thing posted in the latest rumor section of this months EGM (and I'm actually typing this, not stealing it from another forum :p):

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Sega's "Halo Killer"
I know, I know--the words "Halo" and "killer" have appeared together so many times they've lost meaning. And I really didn't want to use them here... but what the hey, too late now. Sega's working on (if the Q's spies are to be believed) an awesome first-person shooter so top-secret it won't be revealed at E3. I wish I could say more, but...

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I wonder if this was the big game Sega said they were going to sell 5 million copies of...

That's funny...Sony used the exact same term a few weeks ago...Halo killer...

Which lets me filter it out as I didn't like Halo much.

Halo was dead on arrival.

The thread wasn't supposed to be about Halo... :p

pssst...don't let anyone know I told you this, but their Halo-killer is supposed to be Vectorman ^_^

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Originally posted by Hero
pssst...don't let anyone know I told you this, but their Halo-killer is supposed to be Vectorman ^_^

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Most clever thing I've ever read ^_^

I wonder if this is being made by an actual Sega team or an outside developer.

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
I wonder if this is being made by an actual Sega team or an outside developer.

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Yeah, it's being made by team using the nickname "Bungie", and the codename for the project is "Halo 2". :kirby:

Did everyone get their EGMs today?

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Originally posted by Brisco Bold
Did everyone get their EGMs today?

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My brother's copy came yesterday. I am now more interested in the new PS2 Castlevania game than I was before.

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Originally posted by Mamoscott
My brother's copy came yesterday. I am now more interested in the new PS2 Castlevania game than I was before.

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So did mine, but all the related threads are coming out today.

Got mine yesterday too.

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Originally posted by Andy
The thread wasn't supposed to be about Halo... :p

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*shrugs* There isn't exactly much info presented to speculate on (not that that's ever stopped us before). Sega's making an FPS, they tried before and did decent, and I'd be surprised if they made one that ranks among the best ever.

As for Halo-killers (bet you're now sorry you used that phrase, aren't you?), Halo might do that itself once it finally hits PC with the extra multiplayer stuff, although I have my doubts about a flamethrower being in there. Well, provided it doesn't get quickly beaten by Breed (depending on whatever the release date for that ends up as), anyway. Mmm... gonna be a good year for PC FPS'.

Go for it Sega. Outtriger borrowed too much from Quake, so it wasn't that great with CS, UT etc. around. This time they should just be Sega and come up with something crazy. A fps with VC3 presentation and Sega's own gameplay would be absolutely killer.

This is one of the only genres where Sega can't say they have made one of the elite games in the genre. I think they can pull it off with the right people.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
Halo was dead on arrival.

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I still don't understand Halo hate. It's not my favorite FPS or anything but it's damn good. My only complaint about the game is that your teammates are such cocky losers. I would rather shoot them than the aliens.

If this is an AM2 game like Outtrigger then I think it has potential. Outtrigger was actually a very good FPS engine even if the game was lacking. It was just too limited by its ultra-small arenas and lack of good single-player mode.

Neo: I've mentioned that I prefer the older FPS in several other threads. The classic Build games are my favorites.

HALO is all right but it was nothing incredible IMO;)

Outtrigger + shenmue + spikeout + VC3 presentationa nd graphics = sold.

Advanced Outtrigger play mechanics with Shen Mue/spikeout environments complete with CPU people would be awsome. Shoot outs in a mall, church, arcade with Shenmue detail etc. would be insane.

How many times has someone said they have the next Halo killer? Its been at least 3. I heard Sony had one a year ago.. wheres that? So far Halo is the BEST FPS on console to date. Deus X was ok but too plodding and Halflife was just too damn late. And Goldeneye just isnt as good anymore.(this commming from a guy who played it ALL the time)
I'll believe it when I see it. :D
Anyone remember Maken X... that was suppose to be great too. ICK!

Yea, just like they made a Gran Turismo-killer. And a Madden-killer. Ill believe this when I see it. Which is never.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Yea, just like they made a Gran Turismo-killer. And a Madden-killer. Ill believe this when I see it. Which is never.

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Agreed. The only thing to challenge Halo is Halo 2. Then MAYBE Doom 3 and probably Halflife 2.... when they come to console.


I for one enjoyed Halos story. YEAH! ITS STORY. :D
Sadly I read the book, anyone else? It was pretty good actually. Gave you a lot of cool insights on the games characters.

Mog, I don't think comparing Halo to PC ports like Half-Life and Deus Ex is really fair since they are obviously downgraded. The PC versions of those games are better than Halo if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
Halo was dead on arrival.

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Halo has a great storyline.


I don't like the game at all though. I don't really like FPS. Outrigger was fun though.

All of Segas offerings have been more conservative in nature. I have a hard time believing that they could be capable of a game like Halo, but who knows.

Sega always seems to shock me once and awhile.

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Originally posted by EvilMog007
I for one enjoyed Halos story. YEAH! ITS STORY. :D
Sadly I read the book, anyone else? It was pretty good actually. Gave you a lot of cool insights on the games characters.

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Well, the little known TNL poster Ste-Von read it. But, he's a freak.

So you mean Sega is publishing Half-Life 2!!!:eek: ;)


As a launch game, Halo was outstanding. Released at any other time, it would be above average. I mean, you could tell that the game was obviously rushed, especially after The Silent Cartographer level. It became a repetitive shooter at this point. It gets extra points for the coolness of driving the vehicles.

I find it funny though, when watching the footage of Halo 2 from E3, the fans are going crazy when the Chief uses his sniper rifle, and then when he takes out two weapons. I mean this has been done for years in other games, but when Halo 2 does it, they go crazy. Although, I loved the takeover of the ghost and the warthog.

I got the Halo book for free from Borders a couple of weeks ago. Nice little read so far. If Sega can make a "Halo-killer", good for them. If not, it's no big deal. There are plenty of great FPSes out there anyway.

I read the book and then i read the sequel. Or would that be I read the book and the prequel that set up the story for the game. Either way I liked the prequel more than the other one, as I already knew what was gonna happen with the Game book. I did love reading all the comments the soldiers were making as you move through the game in print tough, they made me remember laughing at some of them so bad I died in game.

Any way, I think Sony's Halo killer was Planetside, but I could be wrong.

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
Mog, I don't think comparing Halo to PC ports like Half-Life and Deus Ex is really fair since they are obviously downgraded.

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Actually Half-Life received an upgrade graphically compared to it's PC counterpart. The characters have more polys and whatnot.

WHOOPS! I should have clarified that I read the prequel book. The Fall of Reach. I cant seem to find the newer book around here. BOOOOOOOOO. :D

Half-Life and Deus Ex were both upped graphically for their PS2 versions but they are still downgrades based on control and frame rate. They are inferior to the PC originals.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Yea, just like they made a Gran Turismo-killer. And a Madden-killer. Ill believe this when I see it. Which is never.

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Hey, they kicked the shit out of Marble Madness, though. Reckonize.

Sonic with guns.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
gonna be a good year for PC FPS'.

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Understatement.

I must agree, with HL2, Doom 3, and Halo 2 on the way, Sega's wasting their time. They're likely out of their element, as well. I think you gotta kinda be into a genre to do well at it.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
I must agree, with HL2, Doom 3, and Halo 2 on the way, Sega's wasting their time. They're likely out of their element, as well. I think you gotta kinda be into a genre to do well at it.

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It's just like fighting games. Japanese developers handle FPS games about as well as Americans handle fighters. Just look at Maken X (no matter what ECM told you, that game was pure shit). Sega has no chance here.

I love Sega to death. That said, they can't/won't make a good FPS if their lives depended on it.

We'll see what comes of this.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Yea, just like they made a Gran Turismo-killer. And a Madden-killer. Ill believe this when I see it. Which is never.

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They don't need to make a GT killer sicne just about every racing game they made is better.:) NFL2k is better than Madden in quite a few ways, but I think Madden is better as well. Sega kills EA in Hockey, baseball, Basketball, just about every other sports game though.

They only took one crack at it with outrigger. Let's just see what they do. Maybe they bought out some really talented upstart american developer to do it.

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Originally posted by Master
I love Sega to death. That said, they can't/won't make a good FPS if their lives depended on it.

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some Sega lover you are :rolleyes:

anyways, i don't think much of Halo, so i think every FPS being made has the potential to be a Halo Killer.

anyways, if there is a FPS being made over at Sega right now, i hope that WOW is developing it. i think that if there's a Sega team that can do it, it's them. i'd actually like to see what the team could do in the genre.

Uh... Sega can't kill Halo. Free Radical already done the deed.

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Originally posted by MechDeus
*shrugs* There isn't exactly much info presented to speculate on (not that that's ever stopped us before). Sega's making an FPS, they tried before and did decent, and I'd be surprised if they made one that ranks among the best ever.

As for Halo-killers (bet you're now sorry you used that phrase, aren't you?), Halo might do that itself once it finally hits PC with the extra multiplayer stuff, although I have my doubts about a flamethrower being in there. Well, provided it doesn't get quickly beaten by Breed (depending on whatever the release date for that ends up as), anyway. Mmm... gonna be a good year for PC FPS'.

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Ok, you hate Halo but you thought Outtrigger was decent? You've some screws loose.

Diff, I disagree with the statement that the Japanese can't do FPSs. If they can make good third-person games, I'm sure they can make good first-person ones.

The problems have simply been A) most FPSs that have come out of Japan have been by lesser developers and B) Most FPSs that have come out of Japan were back in the pre-Quake era when almost every non-Doom FPS sucked.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton
anyways, if there is a FPS being made over at Sega right now, i hope that WOW is developing it. i think that if there's a Sega team that can do it, it's them. i'd actually like to see what the team could do in the genre.

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Unless it involves light guns or motorcycles, I seriously doubt it. Beyond the two aforementioned genres WoW has a pretty spotty track record. Easily Sega's worst team.

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
Diff, I disagree with the statement that the Japanese can't do FPSs.

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Let's jsut say it's as unlikely as an American team is to oust Championship Manager. A certain amount of fandom and experience is needed. It seems like Sega's doing it just to compete. Projects like that are never good. It's an uphill battle.

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
Half-Life and Deus Ex were both upped graphically for their PS2 versions but they are still downgrades based on control and frame rate. They are inferior to the PC originals.

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It depends on how powerful your PC is/was ;)

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
Unless it involves light guns or motorcycles

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hey, Capcom pulled it off. im sure WOW could only do better.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
Easily Sega's worst team.

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dead wrong. Sega Rosso is worse than WOW. even then, WOW is better then a few Sega teams currently.

they're better then most Sega teams for HotD and their beat em ups alone.

I hate when companies brag about having their ______-killer. Hey Sega; "STFU unless you can prove it, fuck-o"!

Its basically a vote of confidence for whatever is being "killed".

Somebody saying "This is a GTA killer" reminds people to go out and buy GTA instead when the game they release sucks.

PS: Not liking Halo is one thing, but I think they are referring to Halo's sales numbers considering a smaller Xbox userbase. Whether you like Halo or not, unless something outsells it and is an FPS its not a "Halo Killer". No FPS Sega could make could be a "Halo Killer" unless they pull a Nintendo and hire an American or European team to make it (Metroid Prime).

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Just look at Maken X (no matter what ECM told you, that game was pure shit).

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Hey, that's not fair. It was at least slightly above mediocre. The insane asylum level was too cool. And the end of the game, where you assume control of the US President's evil robotic duplicate with his Inspector Gadget stretchy boxing glove arms, and single-handedly invade Maoist China to prevent nuclear armageddon was worth the price of admission alone.

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Originally posted by StriderKyo
Hey, that's not fair. It was at least slightly above mediocre. The insane asylum level was too cool. And the end of the game, where you assume control of the US President's evil robotic duplicate with his Inspector Gadget stretchy boxing glove arms, and single-handedly invade Maoist China to prevent nuclear armageddon was worth the price of admission alone.

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I never got that far...

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Originally posted by StriderKyo
Hey, that's not fair. It was at least slightly above mediocre. The insane asylum level was too cool. And the end of the game, where you assume control of the US President's evil robotic duplicate with his Inspector Gadget stretchy boxing glove arms, and single-handedly invade Maoist China to prevent nuclear armageddon was worth the price of admission alone.

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Hey! We're talking about MakenX, not Metal Gear Solid. Pay attention to what other people say in the thread next time.

Rosso is much better than WOW. Cosmic Smash is fantastic.

Games that are labeled ___ killers always turn out shit. Developers should be trying to do something new instead of attempting to one up another's game

Give me Jet Grind with guns. I'm serious. I want a shooting + skating game made. You could pull off awesome anti-air tricks while at the same time dodging bullets. It could work, I think.

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Originally posted by Tracer
Ok, you hate Halo but you thought Outtrigger was decent? You've some screws loose.

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I don't outright hate Halo, I find it as a decent FPS that is nowhere even close of deserving half the praise it gets. Both are middle of the road, but since the praise of one of the mediocre games is brought up more often I speak about that one more. No one speaks about Outtrigger or claims it to be incredible, hence I haven't spoken against it. Like Halo, I'd play it if I got bored of other FPS', but since I currently have no shortage of better games in the genre and don't own either anymore, I don't have to touch them at all.

They're both superior to Blake Stone and inferior to Doom, in any case.

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They're both superior to Blake Stone and inferior to Doom, in any case.

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Hey, I liked Blake Stone! :D

Thinking back, it had some pretty neat features for it's time.

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Originally posted by diffusionx
Hey! We're talking about MakenX, not Metal Gear Solid.

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If it were MGS, the evil robot would have found Love On The Battlefield, probably with the psychotic hindu guy with the 8 knive-toting arms. His sentient fingernails would then go on to create a vast and far-reaching government conspiracy involving 80 foot tall metal chickens.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton
dead wrong. Sega Rosso is worse than WOW. even then, WOW is better then a few Sega teams currently.

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Rosso's an excellent team, but incredibly small (roughly 1/3 the size of every other Sega team). Very talented though, I loved Star Wars trilogy.

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they're better then most Sega teams for HotD and their beat em ups alone.

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Their beatemups are among Sega's worst, they're just the only teams at Sega to produce them. Golden Axe (Revenge of Death Adder) and Zombie Revenge are pretty lame in the comapny of Spikeout and Streets of Rage. Their light gun games are pretty good, though. I enjoyed Vampire Night and Maze of Kings as well as HotD. Wild Riders, Cool Riders, and LA Riders were very good too for what they were. But that doesn't change my view that they're Sega's weakest team.

Perhaps saying they're Sega's team with the most inconsistent quality of output would be a better way of putting it. I'm sure if we weigh the good of WoW against the good of Rosso, it would win out, but Rosso's only like 5 years old and less than half the size, and WoW has made plenty of lame stuff too.

Golden Axe is an all-time classic and doesn't deserve to be placed alongside stuff like Zombie Revenge.

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Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
Golden Axe is an all-time classic and doesn't deserve to be placed alongside stuff like Zombie Revenge.

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I meant Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder if that matters.

Zombie Revenge wasn't bad. It had great play mechanics and everything. The only thing that brought it down was it's control and game flow. Otherwise it was a pretty good game. Tons of wepaon variety, move variety, challenge, cool enemies and bosses etc.

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Originally posted by Captain Canuck
They don't need to make a GT killer sicne just about every racing game they made is better.:) NFL2k is better than Madden in quite a few ways, but I think Madden is better as well. Sega kills EA in Hockey, baseball, Basketball, just about every other sports game though.

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Too bad your opinion doesn't mean jack shit to Sega's bottom line. It's kinda hard to claim NFL2k and Sega GT are Madden and Gran Turismo killers when they sold like crap.

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Originally posted by Frogacuda
Let's jsut say it's as unlikely as an American team is to oust Championship Manager.

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Or a European team either, for that matter.

I dread to think of what would happen if a US team got their hands on CM. They'd probably quarter the database, take out the tactics and put some pretty match graphics in there. :sweat:

Sega's a very conservative company in their game designs and such.

Bungie and Valve aren't, which is why they recieve critical acclaim in a genre that loves liberal servings of story and gameplay. Even something like a Phantasy Star and Panzer Dragoon are more conservative in the way they play.

I'm not saying Sega can't do it, I'm just saying that they haven't proven in any of their other games that they can. I think some movies are in order, though.

Bungie and Valve aren't, which is why they recieve critical acclaim in a genre that loves liberal servings of story and gameplay.
How is Halo liberal?

liberal as in a whole lot of something. - "liberal servings of pudding".

The story & action in Halo are often over the top. The beginning of the "Silent Cartographer" level was an awe inspiring moment for me, as well as others. I think that is what he is trying to say.

Yes, that was what I saying.

The style and polish in both titles is remarkable, they give you over the top action and such. Segas games are innovative but very controlling and tight.

The best way to understand conservative and liberal in game design is to simplify it down to a model of a space ship.

A liberal designer will allow you to roam underneath the space beneath the space ship, and will allow you to go in to the jets because they're off and such whereas a conservative designer would make the space ship look awesome, but wouldn't allow you to go under it or in the thrusters and such (I mean the place where the fire comes out the back) like there are invisible walls blocking you from exploring.

This is really good for rail shooters (Rez) but in other games it doesn't work as well. (Shenmue)

I hope this helps, if it just confuses you then ignore this post. If it doesn't confuse you then ignore this post as well.

BTW, it's not a dig at Sega in anyway. It's just a different style that lends itself better to one genre over another.

Andrew:

The thing about Sega’s conservatism is that many of their designers believe that what made games good 15 years ago will continue to work even to this day. Super Monkey Ball, Shinobi, Virtua Fighter 4, Rez, Sonic Advance 2, Panzer Orta excel for the same reasons as games like Space Harrier, Outrun, and Fantasy Zone did back in the day.

Much of Sega’s lineup are variations on the basic arcade design philosophy of the 80s. Many of them are score based games that are simple and easy to play for beginners and as deep as the ocean for those who are skilled at them. And at the same time, they also happen to be the most innovative developer in the business.

Back in the day, there was a lot less categorizing of games into genres, so there was a much larger variety of videogames. Nowadays, the market structure forces developers to pigeon hole their games in to the generally accepted genres, as there is a risk averse culture among publishers.

This has it’s pros and cons…. The former being that if someone develops something new and revolutionary, and it plays well it will result in many copy cat titles being released to follow the new market standard. The disadvantage is that if the new market model is a turd, tons of developers will mimic it.

GTA3 is probably an example of the former, while Gran Turismo is an example of the latter. The GT series has really fucked up the racing genre, by being the market leader for all of these years. Even Namco is forced to make a ‘realistic’ racer now=\

Likewise, modern first person shooters were detrimental to the genre IMO. Older games were focused more on enemy attack patterns and memorization, much like how 16 bit action games were made. Newer games pay no respect to level design at all, instead they focus on AI.

I like many modern FPS( Half Life, Undying, NOLF), but I personally find older stuff like Duke Nukem to be a lot more interesting.

And don’t get me wrong….. console gaming is as good today as ever was IMO.

I know. I'm not saying conservative companies can't be great, because Sega has some pretty solid games and philosophies. I'm just pointing out the difference.

Maybe they will do something really great and blow open the FPS genre. I hope it happens, because it's always interesting to see new merge with old. I think Halflifes level design was a bit bland in some areas, but some of it was remarkable. (the cliffs, the city fighting with guards camped in various positions, and some in sporadic).

The good thing about the FPS genre is that there is space for both. You can have a game like Doom, Serious Sam and Halflife, Quake in it with each of them giving different experiences.