You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Yoshi, youre fellow conservatives are abandoning you.
The rats are leaving the sinking ship.
Have fun drowning.
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You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Yoshi, youre fellow conservatives are abandoning you.
The rats are leaving the sinking ship.
Have fun drowning.
Coming from someone who was to affraid to meet up with a pacifist ill take that as a compliment
Heh, afraid of what? One, I was busy graduating, and two, I think you're an asshole. I was five hours away from NYC. New York's a big state, dude.Quote:
Originally posted by Almaci
Coming from someone who was to affraid to meet up with a pacifist ill take that as a compliment
Anyone I know who is marginally educated in death penalty issues is against it. It's not even a viable issue. It's common sense.Quote:
Originally posted by Yoshi
I'd ask for a whole box of rat poison. No one is killing me but me.
That said, I could not possibly be more in favor of the death penalty. I give full credit to Utah, which recently reinstated firing squad executions. Fuck lethal injection. This is a punishment, not a euthanization.
That's a very interesting take, and I see where you are coming from. I will concede that there are likely some miniscule percentage of wrongful convictions. However, life in prisonment simply costs way too much. I don't want a single penny of mine to go to feed a convicted murderer. The appeals process is bad enough, but to some extent it is necessary.Quote:
Originally posted by Stone
I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into a pro-/anti- death penalty thread, but I just want to know - Yoshi, as a conservative, how can you trust the government with the power to kill its own citizens?
I am so comfortable with the death penalty that I would be willing to give the shot, fire the rifle, or flip the switch. I don't even need other people with me so that no one knows they were the killer. I'll take full credit. That'll save money right there. :sneak:
No offense intended burg, but you are either in or just graduated from law school. Institutes for "higher education" are not the place to find people who have any working knowledge of the real world. It goes back to that truism that those who can't do teach.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Anyone I know who is marginally educated in death penalty issues is against it. It's not even a viable issue. It's common sense.
That seems like a dangerous way to think about the subject. The thing that pushes me over the edge is all the stuff I hear about how executing someone is actually more expensive than imprisoning them for life. The huge array of appeals we need to offer in order to make ourselves comfortable with the idea of executing a criminal ends up costing the state so much that executing isn't cost-effective.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Anyone I know who is marginally educated in death penalty issues is against it. It's not even a viable issue. It's common sense.
That's the fundamental problem. Try them once, give them a single appeal, and execute them on the spot if both findings agree they are guilty. Better yet, sell pay-per-view viewing of the execution. Then the appeal would pay for itself.Quote:
Originally posted by Stone
That seems like a dangerous way to think about the subject. The thing that pushes me over the edge is all the stuff I hear about how executing someone is actually more expensive than imprisoning them for life. The huge array of appeals we need to offer in order to make ourselves comfortable with the idea of executing a criminal ends up costing the state so much that executing isn't cost-effective.
The fundamental problem isn't the appeals - it's the fact that they're needed. Take them away and you start running right into the Constitution. The death penalty doesn't serve any rational interests of the criminal justice system. It's expensive and it doesn't deter crime.
I agree that it doesn't deter crime. However, if appeals were more limited, it would be a better business case than life-long imprisonment. This isn't a moral matter for me. It's a dollars and cents matter.Quote:
Originally posted by burgundy
The fundamental problem isn't the appeals - it's the fact that they're needed. Take them away and you start running right into the Constitution. The death penalty doesn't serve any rational interests of the criminal justice system. It's expensive and it doesn't deter crime.
Not only does it not deter crime - jursidictions that have the death penalty have higher crime rates, all other things being equal. And if appeals are limited, then constitutional challenges increase.
There is an argument that the death penalty prevents capital felons from being paroled, but the problem there is the parole system.