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Was there ever a game you wanted really bad and couldn't find it or the price was to high for your tastes? Have you done the unimaginable and copied, burned, etc a pirated game?
Personally, I haven't but I have thought about numerous times. Getting my hands on Dragon Force has been a pain in the ass but I am still waiting for the deal to come along instead of pirating.
If having thousands of SNES, NES, and Genesis games on CD counts, then I suppose. I'm sorry, but I can't be bothered with tracking down obscure games for systems that I don't even own anymore.
Despite my extreme anti-piracy stance, technically the answer is yes. I own a beta copy of Thrill Kill. There is no other way to buy the game, so I feel there is no harm in owning it. Had it been released commercially I would have bought it.
No..but mostly because I can't be bothered to go through the hassle and research, and I only play a few games anyway.
If I can't buy something new, I have no problems emulating/pirating it. And I won't buy used games if I can get them new. If the publisher and developer aren't getting my money, I don't care how I get the game.
Any of you "emulating 10 year old games is EVIL" loons who've ever bought a used game when you could've bought it new can blow me.
Not that I disagree with you, but buying a used game is nothing like piracy. The game was still purchased, all that has happened is a transfer of ownership.Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers Any of you "emulating 10 year old games is EVIL" loons who've ever bought a used game when you could've bought it new can blow me.
Saint of Killers,
There is no need for insults. How about we keep this on topic and not steer it into another piracy debate? There are enough of them anyway. If you want to discuss the issue of piracy vs buying used games, make a new topic(hopefully with less insults.) I'd hate to see another topic derailed into a flame war that will go nowhere. Now, before I drag this topic too far into off topic land, I'll end this.
I'm not talking laws. I'm talking morality.Quote:
Originally posted by FuryFox
Not that I disagree with you, but buying a used game is nothing like piracy. The game was still purchased, all that has happened is a transfer of ownership.
I don't care what you do with your money (nor do I particularly care if you pirate every new release that you can get your grubby little hands on). By all means, purchase all the used games you want. I do object to people who occasionally buy used to save $10 who rant on and on about the evils of eumlation and pircay of dead games. Which do you honestly think hurts the industry more: downloading ROMs, which prevents money from going to Funcoland and eBay sellers, or buying used when you could buy new, which prevents money from going to developers and publishers?
It's a thread about piracy. It's gonna contain piracy debate.Quote:
Originally posted by UndeadKing
Saint of Killers,
How about we keep this on topic and not steer it into another piracy debate?
That's why developers need to make games that people actually want to keep and don't sell back a week after they purchase it.
Saint of Killers,
The topic never asked for your opinion on piracy. Had it, I could've sat here and typed a long winded article stating my thoughts on the matter that would change no one's opinion. It is simply asking if you've been driven to piracy for one reason or another. However, I cannot stop you. I just figured it would be respectful to Hot Like Wasabi to stay on topic. If you want to continue this debate, go right ahead. This is the last I will say on this matter. In fact, I should've never said anything in the first place....
I pirated hundreds of Commodore 64 games in the '80s. Was it wrong? Yes, even though I can't say they lost money on games I wouldn't have bought anyway. Do I regret it? No. The appreciation/memories/knowledge I have for classic computer gaming is something I would never want taken away from me.
I don't pirate games today unless it's emulation of old games and abandonware. It's not always legal but there's nothing morally wrong with it. I buy almost every classic compilation that gets released.
Dracula X for the Turbo Duo
i too have Thrill Kill havent played it yet though just recently had a friend give it to me
and many many games that were Arcade only releases that ive since dled and play through mame
allthough with thrill kill wasnt the game released in the UK so you could buy that version of it
No Thrill Kill was cancelled EVERYWHERE. If a Uk version existed, I would've bought it.
I was happily burning my money on Dreamcast games until copies finally came up. I didn't have any interest in the scene since I wanted Sega to be successful with Dreamcast. But what do you know, Jet Set Radio comes out... and I'm broke as a joke. I had just spent all my cash importing Power Stone 2, couldnt afford another $60 game. I eventually got my homie to get me a copy of that, and let's just say it was all downhill from there...
I started getting PSX copies out of pure greed. My friend had one with 100's of games so I had to get in on that mug. Wouldn't have played a lotta cool games like Bust a Move or Beatmania if I hadn't.
I bought a game in Korea. It was one of those XX-in-1 GameGear cartridges. Most of the games were SMS games or earlier Sega consoles, and many were just the same game at different speeds. It was great playing Ghost House (SMS) on my GameGear.
Yes.
And I've got emulators for old consoles, 8-bit and 16-bit. (I would pay for the ROMs if they sold them like iTunes sells MP3s.)
Old games? Hell yes. I have more emulated crap on this PC than I do PC games.
Newer games? Yes, but to a much lesser extent.
I would say about half of my Dreamcast collection has a burnt copy to go along with it.
(edit: And, as a point of interest, I'm probably one of the few people (only?) on this board who has ever actually been "elite")
Ditto.Quote:
Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
I pirated hundreds of Commodore 64 games in the '80s.
Now though? Nah. Though I wouldn't rule it out if I really wanted a game and had no other option to get it.
Every gamer has pirated something. Every single one. We may not talk about it in open circles, but we've all done it.
pretty muchQuote:
Originally posted by AFX
Every gamer has pirated something. Every single one. We may not talk about it in open circles, but we've all done it.
just no one likes to admit to it
I just do old SNES games as far as "pirating" goes. I sinceirly doubt any companies that have made SNES games expect some kind of royalty a decade after the system has finished its run, and I'm too much of a :chick: shit to mod my PS2 since I can't afford a new one if it gets messed up(gotta keep that warranty in check.)
All I need right now is a 120 gig for my xbox, then I'll start pirating games again other than PC things.
I want to get my PS2 modded also but not for pirateing reasonsQuote:
Originally posted by cka
I just do old SNES games as far as "pirating" goes. I sinceirly doubt any companies that have made SNES games expect some kind of royalty a decade after the system has finished its run, and I'm too much of a :chick: shit to mod my PS2 since I can't afford a new one if it gets messed up(gotta keep that warranty in check.)
I want the new DoDonPachi for it
http://snkvscap.com/pics/Pirate.gif
I have no recollection of those events.
Nope. I have yet to pirate anything.
Also, when you buy used, you might not be supporting the publishers and developers, but you are at least helping the retail sector of the game industry.
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Originally posted by Jeremy
Nope. I have yet to pirate anything.
Also, when you buy used, you might not be supporting the publishers and developers, but you are at least helping the retail sector of the game industry.
the retail sector needs no help
theyre making money by the bucket loads
Yes. Though only for older games. And even then I don't usually do it if the game in question is reasonably cheap. THough, keyword usualy.
I've been downloading a lotta PSX games offa newsgroups recently, playing a lot of stuff I never got a chance or had money to buy. I got Pepsiman, Intelligent Qube, Tobal 2 and Hermie Hopperhead. IQ is really great, I never understood the demo way back when. I'm realizing I have gave Sony as much credit as they deserve.
Yeah, mostly games I wouldn't want to buy like Quake 3 for Dreamcast (just to see) and such. I have mostly emulators for arcade games. I like owning the original some times, but I don't like spending the money alot of people want for them. Buying a legit copy on ebay for 200 bucks is completely silly IMO when you could download it and play at your leisure.
Uhhh... why? The game is fucking goddamn awful terrible-like. Seriously one of the worst fighting games ever not-made, or something. It's no Shaq Fu or Rise of the Robots, mind you, but it doesn't even challenge the 25th percentile of fighters.Quote:
Originally posted by UndeadKing
No Thrill Kill was cancelled EVERYWHERE. If a Uk version existed, I would've bought it.
I used to pirate games. I'd still pirate them if there were more than 3 a year that were worth playing. Putting a CDR in my computer is more effort than it's worth now.
Because I wanted to play it. Now that I know the game sucks, I wouldn't have bought it. I didn't know that back when it was supposed to come out. I'm not arguing the quality of the game, there is no doubt that it's a piece of crap. However, I was looking forward to it, so if it did come out I could have bought it(and likely sold it shortly after).Quote:
Uhhh... why?
I'm never 'driven' to piracy, I do it when it conveniences me. I pirated the hell out of the DC (hell, who didn't) so I could decide which games to buy. I have no beef with emulation either, you'd have to be a complete mug to choose Saturn Xmen COTA over the emulated CPS2 version. In the past I used to be strictly originals only but now I don't care, I just buy my favourites. I have a burn of Dracula X Rondo and if I like it enough (i'm yet to play it) i'll buy the real deal. Pissing away money on 'retro' games is no longer my bag and blind purchases are stupid.
Yes. Back when I left myh first college in 1999, I was flat broke and unemployed for about 6 months or so. A friend of mine had about 400 pirated PS games at the time and gave me copies of some of them. I continued doing it until I was at a point where I could buy the games I wanted. I've mostly bought the originals of all the games I pirated since. I do have bootlegs of Tobal 2 and Dracula X, though.
never burned a game, but got some nes roms a long time ago. beyond that i pretty much echo fury's idea, i buy the games that i like and play them, no need to steal, but if i cant find it legally, then my recourse is??
The only thing with piracy, it cheapens the experience even more. Used to be able to play a single game for months, now I need a new fix every week.
Some guy at school gave me (he came to me, I think he wanted to borrow something off me) a pirated copy of Quake 3 for DC. Also gave me PSO. I played them for a few days then threw them away. I also let someone borrow my PS copy of Tony Hawk so he could burn his own copy. A loser is I.
Dracula X was my only one. My rom was so shitty, that I got fed up and bought one instead. Quite a deal too.
No, unless one counts checking out 8/16-bit roms to make sure purchases are warranted. I consider them 10 minute test drives, since I never play more. Even if it's a good game it's just not the same on an emu, which makes it easy to avoid abusing this ability.
As seemingly harmless as that is, though, it still bothers me a bit. But convenience wins in that case. I just don't go further.Yep. That's exactly what many people fail to realize or acknowledge.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Also, when you buy used, you might not be supporting the publishers and developers, but you are at least helping the retail sector of the game industry.
Me. Countless others.Quote:
Originally posted by Sidez
I pirated the hell out of the DC (hell, who didn't)
Uh, I may well have a Hong Kong Special Edition of CvS2 for Dreamcast, but I really can't recall, officer. (Besides, I bought the game legit twice since then).
Only arcade games that didn't get home ports and I usually only just to see what they're like. I'm not against piracy or anything, it's just not worth the trouble when I've got so many legit games I could be playing instead. There aren't many older games which I still like so I don't bother with emulation for that sake.
PS - I have never pirated a single DC game. I own way too many of them though.
Truthfully I've pirated quite a few games. I've never DLed Warez versions or sold pirated games. Although since I have no money for games I often "crack" games that my friend buys or something like that. My argument here is that if I pirate a game I never intended to buy it in the first place. If I did, I'll buy the game regardless if a friend has it or not. I DL ROMS too, which actually isn't pirating considering the companies who made the games don't sell them anymore and FuncoLand doesn't own the right to make money off these games.
Emulation is perfectly ok and as good as the real thing in many cases, try playing them on Xbox. Personally i'm not going to buy a Mega CD for Sonic CD, a Duo for Dracula X or a Whengine for Parasol Stars, that would be foolish.
I have bought over 70 Dreamcast games, most of them at full price and on release. Piracy is perfect as an evaluation tool.
Yes I have.
Only various 8 and 16-bit roms here and there. Emulation is great for being able to play games like Monster World IV, Dragon Quest VI, and others that didn't make the trip overseas in English. Also great for arcade stuff (that my meager PC can actually handle). I've never pirated a game that works on the actual console, although I'd download that Dracula X mp3/ISO in a heartbeat if it actually worked on my Duo.
ive heard from people that it does
just need to convert the MP3 files to wavs i beleive
dont remember
Four years ago I was trying all sorts of games this way - games that didn't have a chance in hell of coming here, like that Kamen Rider fighting game for PlayStation. I saw it on Gamer's Republic and it seemed pretty good. Rockman Battle & Chase never made it here, and I could sorta see why.
I also got to play the Japanese versions of games I already owned domestically - Bust-A-Move, Rockman 8, Rockman X4, Rockman X5, Xenogears (<- didn't play one that too long). And some I didn't own, like Shiritsu Justice Gakuen (Rival Schools) and Final Fantasy VIII, which wasn't even released here yet. I just wanted another preview...
Now that my taste in games is extremely select, I don't need pirated games. Of course, my Dreamcast and Gamecube aren't modded, and the chip on my Japanese PS2 only lets me play American and copied games.
Nope, legal and ethical issues aside, I like to have originals with manulas and inserts to display proudly.
I hate to admit it but in the PSX days when I was sure that there was no way in hell that DDR would have come out here I'd get my hands on any version of DDR I could find in China Town.
Driven to? No.
Do I own pirated games? Yes, 2 for the Playstation.
I've never been "driven" to it, because whatever I want, I can almost always find. I've never paid for pirated goods, nor have I ever made any on my own - I was given the 2 burns ( discarded by their previous owner ), but I later took the time to seek out the legit copies.
I couldn't care less about keeping EB and Gamestop in business. Ditto for people selling Radiant Silvergun on eBay.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Also, when you buy used, you might not be supporting the publishers and developers, but you are at least helping the retail sector of the game industry.
Piracy just sucks on every level. Evaluation, "I never would've bought it anyway", "It's old", blah blah blah blah
Either do it or don't do it. Please don't make excuses for it. =P
Emulating an arcade game from 1976 by a company long dead isn't the same as having a pirated PS2 game. Some piracy is harmless while other piracy is possibly harmful. I'm not making excuses as I don't care what people do either way but I don't think all piracy can be viewed in the same light.
Fair enough. I do it.Quote:
Originally posted by haohmaru
Either do it or don't do it. Please don't make excuses for it. =P
However, pirated games do tend to leave my HD after a while, either being relegated to the ether void or being replaced in favor of a legit.
Fuck your shades of gray. Everything is clearly a black and white issue. Emulation is responsible for billions of dollars in lost revenue for the videogame industry. I can make up numbers to prove this if you doubt me. Plus, there are laws against it. We all know if something's illegal, it must be immoral. Like gay sex! And certain consensual heterosexual sex acts in some states.Quote:
Originally posted by NeoZeedeater
Emulating an arcade game from 1976 by a company long dead isn't the same as having a pirated PS2 game. Some piracy is harmless while other piracy is possibly harmful. I'm not making excuses as I don't care what people do either way but I don't think all piracy can be viewed in the same light.
I was a gigantic Pirate back when modding your PS was all the craze. I think I owned a little over 400 "backup" PS games. It ruined my gaming life, I got so bored tring out all these new games and never having time to play 'em longer than a half hour. I didn't do much with the DC, just had a few of the pc & arcade conversions (quake, SI, Pac, etc...). Now unless it's something I can't get any other way (Thrill Kill) or something I own that's going for so much on eBay (Inteligent Qube) I'll burn it and keep to play on my PC, I stay away from bootleg stuff.
Now I just download a ton of TV shows and steal all the porn I can :D
Dude you're killing the Porno industry. You the lowest of the low!
The closest thing to a pirated game i own are Tengen NES games.
I was a huge pirate back when I was in high school and had no money. I used to go to pirate BBSes and download PC games by the bucketfull, even crappy ones. I'd love to get legitimate copies of the games I liked, but some of them are really hard to find.
Now, I don't like piracy at all. It's a huge drag on the game industry, and it cheapens the experience of being a gamer. But, I don't think it's universally wrong to play a CDR of something. If it's worth playing, I will buy it soon after playing it. If not, then I'll throw out the disk and forget about it. It's the same as renting, really.
I don't think I actually "own" any CDRs, even Drac. X. There are dozens of ROMs on my HD, which is a whole lot better than dozens of carts in my living room, IMO.
Way back in the day, like '90 or so, my friends and I would pool money together, and buy some NES games. When we got them back to my buddy Rich's house, he'd carefully open them up, then take the chip out of the cartridge. He'd unscrew the security bolts with a cuticle trimmer to remove the chip.
Then, put it back together, without the chip inside, of course. Then the really hard part came. Resealing the game. I provided the shrink wrap, thanks to a huge surplus of cellophane from a bunch of unopened LP's my dad found. Rich wold use a soldering iron to seal the wrap, which wasnt vry effective most of the time. He owned a heat gun, thouh, so the shrink part was a cinch.
Next is the fun part. Going back to Lionel Play World to exchange these sealed games for different ones, only to repeat the process.
think colectivly, we had about 50-60 NES games, and a fucking huge stack of TurboGrafx HuCards.
It didn't stop at games, either. After a while my friend started to gut whole systems, then put a bunch of busted PC boards in the casings and return them for credit.
Rich made a nifty wooden caseing for a TurboGrafx-16. Bill had made a realy shity casing for a Genesis out of a figgin' cereal box. Imagine, a cut up box of Kellog's Triples with a couple of cords sticking out of it and a controler, playing Sword Of Vermllion. It was surreal.
Sigh. Memories.
Some facts for you on the costs of piracy, these aren't exact numbers since I don't feel like digging through my old rants on it-
billions in lost revenue
many LOST JOBS in the industry at every level.
Thats fucking awesome.Quote:
Originally posted by adol
Way back in the day, like '90 or so, my friends and I would pool money together, and buy some NES games. When we got them back to my buddy Rich's house, he'd carefully open them up, then take the chip out of the cartridge. He'd unscrew the security bolts with a cuticle trimmer to remove the chip.
Then, put it back together, without the chip inside, of course. Then the really hard part came. Resealing the game. I provided the shrink wrap, thanks to a huge surplus of cellophane from a bunch of unopened LP's my dad found. Rich wold use a soldering iron to seal the wrap, which wasnt vry effective most of the time. He owned a heat gun, thouh, so the shrink part was a cinch.
Next is the fun part. Going back to Lionel Play World to exchange these sealed games for different ones, only to repeat the process.
think colectivly, we had about 50-60 NES games, and a fucking huge stack of TurboGrafx HuCards.
It didn't stop at games, either. After a while my friend started to gut whole systems, then put a bunch of busted PC boards in the casings and return them for credit.
Rich made a nifty wooden caseing for a TurboGrafx-16. Bill had made a realy shity casing for a Genesis out of a figgin' cereal box. Imagine, a cut up box of Kellog's Triples with a couple of cords sticking out of it and a controler, playing Sword Of Vermllion. It was surreal.
Sigh. Memories.
hahaha, thats terrible!
I've got around 3 pirate games, some abandonware and loads of emulation.
When I was a kid, we switched out the insides of some NES games and sold them. I remember taking a new game they were buying for $28, swapping the insides with Duck Hunt (worth $2), and selling it to the local convenience/rental store. We laughed about that forever. After reading Adol's story, though, I think we were small time.
I'm guilty of emulating games that run on old, defunct games consoles. I do it mostly for the joy of nostalgia. I have no interest in pirating recent releases for consoles that are still making their creators money.
No. I buy my games.
I know it's kind of an excuse but...:P I only get enough extra revenue to buy a game like...once a year and that once a year is usually with Christmas money. I'm not a heavy pirate, I don't attempt to pirate every game out then say something dumb to justify it. I simply borrow games from my friends and either crack them or finish them then return them.Quote:
Originally posted by haohmaru
Piracy just sucks on every level. Evaluation, "I never would've bought it anyway", "It's old", blah blah blah blah
Either do it or don't do it. Please don't make excuses for it. =P