Any action one makes is a direct result of said person following their own will. Unless he/she is physically forced to do something.
If someone chooses to die rather than denounce their religion, they are following their own will.
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Any action one makes is a direct result of said person following their own will. Unless he/she is physically forced to do something.
If someone chooses to die rather than denounce their religion, they are following their own will.
I just re-read the science vs god thread...
we don't need this one I don't think.
I know i've used this one before, but it just might be my favorite quote ever:
If Jesus came back and saw what was going on in his name, he'd never stop throwing up.
Probably not, but as long as it's here...Quote:
Originally posted by Tracer
we don't need this one I don't think.
But I thought they were following orders? And an order is easier to follow than one's own will.Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
If someone chooses to die rather than denounce their religion, they are following their own will.
You just made my point for me. The point is, one's own will will always be easier to follow than the will of another, even if that other is God.
You can be following orders and still be following your own will. That goes without saying.
The problem with following orders isn't that you're not following your own will, it's that it requires no thought of your own (or very little thought).
I can see a bunch of rules on a piece of paper and follow them willingly, but I'm still following orders, and it still requires very little thought.
PS: I'm not saying you haven't thought your beliefs through, I'm saying that many other people haven't.
But it's not actually following them that's the issue, it's willing to follow them. You're correct to say that for anyone to follow any order, their will must be behind it.Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
I can see a bunch of rules on a piece of paper and follow them willingly, but I'm still following orders, and very little thought is required.
It's actually getting your will behind it that's the battle.
I know it, Omni. You and I have given an extremely large amount of freedom concerning the language we use with one another, and an incredible amount of respect for eachother as people, and for the different beliefs we hold. We coo' man. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
PS: I'm not saying you haven't thought your beliefs through, I'm saying that many other people haven't.
I'd also agree with you that most people don't think it through. How many Catholics believe they are Catholics not because they believe in the Catholic catacysm, but because they were "born into it."
Those people are as Catholic as I am dead.
Yah, which is my inherent problem with organized religion. If you really believe in Catholism and everything that it teaches, then more power to ya. But I definitely think that, as a whole, organized religion creates more thoughtless robots than true believers.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I'd also agree with you that most people don't think it through. How many Catholics believe they are Catholics not because they believe in the Catholic catacysm, but because they were "born into it."
Werd. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
We coo' man. ;)
But is this really organized relegion's fault, or is it the fault of the man/woman who has no desire to examine their beliefs because that would be "wrong?"Quote:
Originally posted by OmniGear
But I definitely think that, as a whole, organized religion creates more thoughtless robots than true believers.
Ultimatly it's a people problem.
The latter, though organized religion certainly facilitates it. But you're right; the blame can't totally be put on organized religion.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
But is this really organized relegion's fault, or is it the fault of the man/woman who has no desire to examine their beliefs because that would be "wrong?"
Everything is a people problem. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Ultimatly it's a people problem.