I never said all of that was found in the Bible. I understand that the Catholic religion has "evolved" over the years and various things have been added and such. You're wrong about the bit about gays not being found in the bible (Leviticus 18):Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
You confuse "Christianity" and "Catholicism." Contraception outside of the "timing method" and masturbation, and all of the 7 Most Deadly sins are a Catholic tradition. Even the bit about homosexuality you seem to misunderstand. And even though they are not found as the Catholics believe them in the Bible
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Rather cut and dry, eh?
Well, thanks for your vote of confidence in my moral fiber, Veggie. ;) I tend to credit it to the upbringing my Mother gave me and my own base personality which, despite making me act like a dick sometimes, is basically that of a good person.Quote:
Really? And without some kind of model or schematic, how, exactly, do you know right from wrong? I know beyond the shadow of any doubt that you, in fact, do, but how did you come into this knowledge?
I'm aware that the church doesn't club people over the head and drag them away in the night and force them at gunpoint to become priests. But they have to take into consideration that there are people out there that want to serve god and that they'll do what they think it takes to become priests and serve him. And that these people think they'll be able to deal with being celebite, but they're unaware of the long-term damage that can cause them. Sexual urges are completely normal and healthy, and having no access to them whatsoever is not natural. I respect the people that can handle it, but some can't.Quote:
However, the Catholic church hasn't forced that onto anyone. Those priests knew what they were doing while they were being trained, and they knew full well what they were getting into. The Bible even supports the Catholic view in that Paul can be quoted as saying not to get married, that you can concentrate on God, and Him alone.
Yes they did. I've read several articles about the Church itself doing so. If I find them, I'll post them.Quote:
Neither did they. People who had called themselves Catholic did, but not the church itself.
Well, like anything taken to the extreme, the 7 deadly sins can be bad, yes. The degrees are not stated in detail, so I have to assume that any instance of them is considered bad, which I disagree with. Where's the harm in taking pride in your work?Quote:
Originally posted by frostwolf ex
Dole, i wanted to jump in on some things you said about the seven deadly sins, because i think you are missing some things. First, they are not,themselves, sins, but states that lead people to greater sins, so they could be called 7 dangerous predispositions. look at it, you mentioned pride, and i say i agree that pride is bad, pride undelies nationalism,and raceism, and class conflict. So long as a person elevates themselves by pride, they feel less remorse hurting the non-elevated,so i say pride is the worst aspect of humanity. Similarly,anger, while not a sin,leads to volence,sloth leads to apathy and ignorance of the poor,avarice leads to theivery and physical violence, lust leads to infidelity and objectification of the opposite sex, gluttony leads to the wasting of resources,and the violent stealing of resources from others. So i have to disagree with you, the seven all seem like good ideas to me.
Well, I agree that sex has been devalued and ideally should be an expression of love. But I see no harm in having some fun, either. People are going to fuck no matter what the church says, so what's the harm in wearing a rubber? Of jerking off if you have no other outlet?Quote:
and as for the sex things you mentioned, i am with the church there, sex has been commenrcialized and devalued,the specialness of the act of truly loving one person and one only is something that the brainwashed people out there seem incapable of feeling, but sex is supposed to be special and meaningful, not animalisitc.
I did some looking, and I concede that you're right. Despite what we hear on the news about Priests molesting kids non-stop, only about 5 precent of them are actually guilty.Quote:
and dole,since you had to go there, if celebacy is such a problem in the catholic church,can you explain why the percentage of molesters is the same as in other clergy(non-clelbate) and as among the general populice? That argument is bull, and i get tired of hearing people spouting it off,nothing personal, but it is a very uninformed viewpoint. Where the church went wrong was covering it up,rather than booting the snakes, but as for the numbers,there is no higher percentage than the general populice(source,cnn).
There is no god, so I'm on my own as far as deciding what I think right and wrong is. And I think I've done a pretty good job so far. Morality isn't the sole domain of the relgious...I don't need "god" telling me what the right thing to do it. Anyone with half a brain knows what right and wrong is. The point id making the right decision. Sometimes, you won't make it. So, you learn from it. No one's perfect. That's what makes us human.Quote:
and finally,as for wether you or i are a better judge of right and wrong, i contest that you and i arent. God is objective,we are concerned with self interest, if you make it up as you go along, you invariably allow things that may be harmful to others ,simply because it serves your own self interests.So no,you(or i) are not more qualified to decide right or wrong than an objective being.
