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Something can be deemed wrong based on society because there are always stipulations. Most things aren’t "right" everywhere or "wrong" everywhere. It's not just law that makes it wrong. It being wrong is based on society, environment, and situation, not some moral code passed down from the cosmos.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
So you're telling me it's bad to kill because the law says so, not because it's inherrantly bad?
I don't buy it.
usually your posts are thoughtful and articulate,no flame wars from you, im usually glad to hit your threads. :D i wish other atheists followed your role modeling.Quote:
Originally posted by Dolemite
Still, for once it's nice to have a religious discussion here that isn't a flame war...
Yeah, the fucking heathens...
I understand this, and can see where you're coming from. Hopefully, you can see where I'm coming from.Quote:
Originally posted by Lobo
Something can be deemed wrong based on society because there are always stipulations. Most things aren’t "right" everywhere or "wrong" everywhere. It's not just law that makes it wrong. It being wrong is based on society, environment, and situation, not some moral code passed down from the cosmos.
no, the narrow minded trolls.Quote:
Originally posted by Lobo
Yeah, the fucking heathens...
Technically, you're not an agnostic. You're fairly close to being a Deist.Quote:
Originally posted by Gondolin
Me, I'm agnostic, I guess. I firmly believe that there's a God, but haven't a clue about anything beyond that.
This has been endlessly debated by people much smarter than you or I, but I can at least give a satisfactory response to part of your post.Quote:
What I believe to be proof of the existence of God:
Theoretically, the universe is endless (or at least REALLY REALLY big). Now, the funny thing about probability is, no matter how small the odds are of something happening, given a large enough sample it'll eventually occur. Infinity is quite a large sample.Quote:
Now, let's fast-forward 15 billion or so years *chuckle* to planet Earth and the existence of humans. Think about us, how we're built, and the fact that we have the capacity to reason. It is such a stretch to believe that we could have happened randomly, on top of all the other factors in the universe that would have had to spontaneously happen in order for us to be, that I find it truly dumbfounding (am I using this correctly?) that anyone who's given the subject any real thought could come to such a conclusion. I mean, the chance of this is so small, that the odds of it happening probably can't be mathematically calculated.
As is "REALLY, REALLY big." :pQuote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
Infinity is quite a large sample.
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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I understand this, and can see where you're coming from. Hopefully, you can see where I'm coming from.
Yeah, I see where you’re coming from and though I disagree, I respect your opinion.
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(No, no. I said I was gonna stay out of this)
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Urge to post.............rising....................:sweat:
Thanks, right back at ya, Frosty. :) By the way, I'm not really 100% atheist, I simply don't believe in the concept of god as put forth by any organized religion. I suppose you could say I'm somewhat atheist, but with agnostic tendencies. Basically, for all mankind thinks it knows, we really know nothing about the nature of the universe. And we won't know anything about it until the day we die.Quote:
Originally posted by frostwolf ex
usually your posts are thoughtful and articulate,no flame wars from you, im usually glad to hit your threads. :D i wish other atheists followed your role modeling.
Cool. I try to keep an open mind, it's good that you seem to as well. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Of course I do! And I'm thrilled that you respect mine. Believe me, I know how utterly stupid my faith sounds: So God made man, man screwed up, and instead of uncreating us, He sent His...get this!...He sent His son to die for us. And, oh yeah, if you believe in Him, you'll never die, too!!!