Robbery victim runs over perps with his Hummer

http://www.local6.com/news/2272794/detail.html

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Business Owner Chases, Runs Over Robbery Suspects In Hummer
Two Suspects In Critical Condition

A business owner in Phoenix, Arizona took matters into his own hands after a group of men robbed his business, according to a Local 6 News report.

Police say three armed suspects walked into the Mr. Insurance building in Phoenix and demanded money. A fourth suspect was in the getaway car, according to the report.

Investigators said after the suspects left with the store's money, the co-owner jumped into his Hummer and chased after the suspects.

Police said that the man, identified only as Peter, followed the suspects through a neighborhood and eventually caught up with them. He then rolled his Hummer over their car.

Two of the suspects were taken to the hospital in critical condition.

The two other suspects managed to get away but police later caught them as well.

It is not known if Peter will face charges.

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:lol:

0wned.

Okay, so maybe those thingse are good for something.

Good for him...

Damn, I am surprised that he could actually catch them. Their getaway car must have sucked, if Hummer could catch up with it :p

That's what I'm talkin' bout!

Hehe, interesting.. Check that survey out, 41365/48565 agree he shouldn't face any charges. Hardcore...

FUCK YES!

http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0616/2272814.jpg

What a beauty.

*ahem*

Inexcusable. How can you run over people like that for money? He easily could have killed them. All five of those people seem like scumbags, but only one can be rightfully called a murderous scumbag.

I'm with Nick. The man took it upon himself to punish these 4 instead of letting the police do thier job, and so should be held accountable.

This guy's a regular Charles Bronson.

Let that be a lesson to the crooks. That's what they face for doing such shit. If Peter had a gun and was a good shot, the guys would probably be worse off- try dead rather than just critical.

In order to send a strong message to criminals, Peter should not face charges. Victims should always have the right to fight back.

The suspects did no physical harm to Peter, what gives him the right to try and kill them? Granted, he did own them. :)

I think it's extremely funny that you're all using Peter's first name.

Like, we always have to talk about Peter in the third person or something.

Peter is hungry! Peter is going to get something to eat now. Peter likes cereal. Maybe Peter will eat some cereal to settle Peter's stomach.

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Peter uses his big bad car to kill baddies. Peter is my hero.

I *heart* Peter.

Buncha reactionary idiots.

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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
I think it's extremely funny that you're all using Peter's first name.

Like, we always have to talk about Peter in the third person or something.

Peter is hungry! Peter is going to get something to eat now. Peter likes cereal. Maybe Peter will eat some cereal to settle Peter's stomach.

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:lol:

Holy shit, that's funny.

Meet Peter! Peter has a shirt. Peter's shirt is a bit oversized, but it should shrink in the washing machine.

:lol:
I hope this guy gets some jail time over this.

Just imagine if Peter had an H2:

http://csagent.homestead.com/files/deadh2.jpg

holy shit, that h2 got FUCKED up! What is that, a Durango?

In the background, that's actually an extended cab Dodge dually out of the early-late nineties.

The story of the wreck is actually pretty crazy. read it here

Yikes, reminds me of the time I jumped in my Altima and chased a driveoff halfway down the road. They still got away but man, was it a rush :lol:

It was a bit harsh for him to stoop to something like that, I really can't say how I feel about it, and it's really hard to know HOW to feel unless you were that owner. I worked at my parent's service station for years on end, and took it personally whenever someone tried drive-off without paying for their gas. When you're a small business owner like that, it's hard to take people violating your livelihood like that lying down.

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Originally posted by Nick
Inexcusable. How can you run over people like that for money? He easily could have killed them. All five of those people seem like scumbags, but only one can be rightfully called a murderous scumbag.

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Exactly. You can't use deadly force unless deadly force is used against you.

This is interesting.

Over here there was a story about a farmer who woke up in the middle of the night and saw two guys in his house, loading stuff into a big bag. PAnicking, he picked up his gun and shot at both of them, killing one (I believe the dead one was 17) and injuring the other.

He got put down for, I think, manslaughter. Remember that this was in his own house, though.

However, now the OTHER guy is suing the farmer for loss of earnings, and it's his human right to have the case heard at the European Supreme Court. Loss of earnings - this is a heroin dealer whose never held down a real job in his life and who makes money through drugs and stealing.

What would your stand be on something like this? Personally, I'm not too enamoured by Peter here, but I think that, once someone breaks into your house then all bets are off.

FREE PETER!!

rmv, in your example, I don't think the crook has any real right to sue. He broke into the guy's home, and I believe that once you are in someone's home without their permission, you have the right to do whatever is needed to remove them from your property.

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Originally posted by Seven Force
FREE PETER!!

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I don't care how free it is, I don't want it.

Peter's mistake was letting the guys of his property. In many states, for instance, if a burglar breaks into your home, you can kill the son of a bitch without fear of prosecution. However, you better not let him even onto your front lawn, or you have broken the law.

I'll say this. If anyone is ever stupid enough to break into my house, the coroner is going to need dental records to identify the body.

He did the right thing running them bums down. All those of you who sympathize with people breaking into homes and getting away with it as long as they don't hurt the owner are full of shit. You can't wait for someone to use force against you to be justified to use it against them in a robbery situation. If he's on your property, I say shoot first and ask questions later. Worry less about his feelings than your own safety. I would even say that it extends to someone stealing or vandalizing your car(which is technically outside your home). Peter should get a medal for actually doing what 90% of us wished they could do in a situation like this.

Well, in this case peter went overboard, but I think its perfectly fine to hurt people who are trying to rob you.

reminds me of something I heard a while back. Around 5 robbers entered this families house, so the dad pulled out his Katana and attacked them. One of them died and the others were severely injured. He was arrested, but I think he got off in the end.

Personally, I would have done the same thing.

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Originally posted by Tones
Just imagine if Peter had an H2:

http://csagent.homestead.com/files/deadh2.jpg

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pwned! By a Dodge Ram. Woot.

This is what happens when a "toy" truck hits a real truck.


Having benn on the victim side of a robbery before, I can totaly understand what that guy did.

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Originally posted by burgandy
Exactly. You can't use deadly force unless deadly force is used against you.

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Well, they robbed the place, its not like they just strolled in and said "Please give us some money" there had to at least be the threat of violence.

Then he got in his car and hunted them down. He's just as guilty as they are. The danger was no longer clear and present, and thus he had no legal right to do them bodily harm.

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Originally posted by Wildkat
pwned! By a Dodge Ram. Woot.

This is what happens when a "toy" truck hits a real truck.

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Actually, if you had read the article, you'd know that the H2 had hit 4 vehicles in a row, not just the Dodge Ram. I think it looks pretty good, considering.

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Originally posted by Tones
In the background, that's actually an extended cab Dodge dually out of the early-late nineties.

The story of the wreck is actually pretty crazy. read it here

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Wow, that's a messed up story. That path of carnage the H2 caused sounded like an old episode of CHIPS. I'd love to know what actually happened to the driver that caused him to go haywaire like that. I mean, he sat through the green light and then ran the red and just kept going and going until the H2 was totaled. Wacked.

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Originally posted by seen
He did the right thing running them bums down. All those of you who sympathize with people breaking into homes and getting away with it as long as they don't hurt the owner are full of shit. You can't wait for someone to use force against you to be justified to use it against them in a robbery situation. If he's on your property, I say shoot first and ask questions later. Worry less about his feelings than your own safety. I would even say that it extends to someone stealing or vandalizing your car(which is technically outside your home). Peter should get a medal for actually doing what 90% of us wished they could do in a situation like this.

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EXACTLY; if more people defended themselves and took the law into there own hands when they have been robbed etc. then less people would feel inclined to take advantage of the weak.

In America these days people will stand by and watch someone get robbed, mugged, or murdered and not do shit in fear they might be legally held accountable.

We have let thieves and criminals take control of us and lock us up in our homes, its time to take our freedom and security back..

The fact that these robbers in the other stories (and ive heard local stories much the same) are able to sue and in some cases win is fucking absurd.

Since when has defending your family inside your own home a crime?

America has lost all levels of common sense and the judicial system is a misused and abused joke.

I appluad this guy...

Last year a drunk guy came into my yard, a yard that is fenced in with no trespassing signs clearly visible on all sides and the gate was closed and had went through my wife's car and was starting to go through our garage.

I appproached him and asked him what he was doing and told him that if he didnt leave he would go to jail; after talking to him for about 5 minutes I got him to leave peacefully but you better believe that if this tactic failed I was prepared to beat his ass six ways to Sunday and not even blink about doing it.

If you are in a situation where your life is threatened, you don't know how you'd react.

These men were armed, they put him a situation. He did something that the cops wouldn't have probably done in the situation. He tracked them down.

I don't believe in violence, even when its neccesary the idea of it pisses me off. But I know that if my life had recently been threatened and i had the perfect chance for revenge right in front of me, as a human being, I'd say yes.

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Originally posted by youandwhosearmy
If you are in a situation where your life is threatened, you don't know how you'd react.

These men were armed, they put him a situation. He did something that the cops wouldn't have probably done in the situation. He tracked them down.

I don't believe in violence, even when its neccesary the idea of it pisses me off. But I know that if my life had recently been threatened and i had the perfect chance for revenge right in front of me, as a human being, I'd say yes.

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Indeed, more people need to stand up for themselves..

Turn the predator into the prey....

All you people defending the criminals here are what's exactly wrong with our Judicial System. You're a joke.

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Originally posted by Mr_Furious
All you people defending the criminals here are what's exactly wrong with our Judicial System. You're a joke.

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CHA-CHING!!!!

i see what nick is saying, and in the end i agree with him, but i aint saying i cant sympathise. and arjure's story is hardcore. but yeah, hunting people down is a big no-no, beating the fuck out of them on the spot with a baseball bat..no comment:D

I gotta go with the train of thought that says ol' Pete went overboard. I have no sympathy for the robbers, but what was done here is like getting shot at, running five blocks to grab your gun, going back to the place where you were shot at, killing the guy who shot at you and then claiming it was self-defense.

What Good Ol' Pete did was equally as stupid.

That said, if someone violated my private sanctum and it were within my means and ability to do so, you can bet your happy ass that hearty beatdowns would be administered before he could get out the door. That Xbox aint just for playing games and DVDs.

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Originally posted by Master of 7s

That said, if someone violated my private sanctum and it were within my means and ability to do so, you can bet your happy ass that hearty beatdowns would be administered before he could get out the door. That Xbox aint just for playing games and DVDs.

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thats funny, x-box as a melee weapon,i prefer using 2 gamecubes, they are light, so you can dual wield:D

Did Peter go overboard? Fuck yeah!

I mean, it is a bit extreme to chase down these guys and run them over. However, if he had a gun in the building and pulled it on him nobody would have thought anything. He would be just defending himself, and in that situation it is more likely that somebody would die, whether it was one of the criminals or him. If a citizen has the ability to take a situation in his own hands I think they should be allowed to do it. If their judgement is off then they have a right to be prosecuted, simple as that. Too many depend on the goverment to make everything right for him, when that is not what our country is founded on.

Besides, even if he is prosecuted he can EASILY get away with it on grounds of temporary insanity.

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Originally posted by Yoshi
Peter's mistake was letting the guys of his property. In many states, for instance, if a burglar breaks into your home, you can kill the son of a bitch without fear of prosecution. However, you better not let him even onto your front lawn, or you have broken the law.

I'll say this. If anyone is ever stupid enough to break into my house, the coroner is going to need dental records to identify the body.

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Actually, defense of property isn't a justification for use of deadly force in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. Although if the dude shows up in your bedroom, you have a pretty strong case for self-defense/defense of others.

/me goes back to studying torts

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Actually, defense of property isn't a justification for use of deadly force in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. Although if the dude shows up in your bedroom, you have a pretty strong case for self-defense/defense of others.

* sleeveboy goes back to studying torts

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I agree. It's reasonable force for possessions, deadly force for lives.

What Peter did was a bit exterme, but I certainly don't feel sorry for the crooks. People who rob other people deserve to get fucked up. I'm sure if I saw somebody break into my car and then run away I'd chase them until I couldn't run anymore.

I voted "No", but when I thought about it more, Peter endangered the public by following the robbers in the car. Either car could have injured or killed an innocent person in the pursuit. He should have just got the license plate and vehicle description, called the police and let them take it from there.

Anyway, great PR for the Hummer.

I think they got off easy. There are far bigger trucks this man could have came after them with. That one part of Bev hills cop comes to mind, the one with the 18-wheeler.

Go Peter

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Originally posted by burgundy
Exactly. You can't use deadly force unless deadly force is used against you.

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And if someone attempts to use deadly force against you, and then runs away, you can't chase them down and use deadly force back.

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Actually, defense of property isn't a justification for use of deadly force in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. Although if the dude shows up in your bedroom, you have a pretty strong case for self-defense/defense of others.

* sleeveboy goes back to studying torts

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Exactly. People (especially people who own guns) should really read up on the laws pertaining to the use of deadly force. You can't just blow away someone who broke into your house without proving they were trying to kill you.

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You can't just blow away someone who broke into your house without proving they were trying to kill you.

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Ain't that about a bitch? It's the worst when you hear about a crook who gets hurt trying to steal/rob from someone, and then they sue the victim of the crime...and win shitloads of money.

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Originally posted by Rumpy
Ain't that about a bitch?

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Yes, but I can understand the point of the law. If you were legally allowed to kill anyone who broke into your home, it would be very easy to invite someone over to your house, shoot them in the face, and then smash a window (or tell the police they entered the unlocked front door uninvited) and get off scott-free.

And if you kill someone who has broken into your home, you're probably not going to face serious charges unless you shoot them in the back or something.

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It's the worst when you hear about a crook who gets hurt trying to steal/rob from someone, and then they sue the victim of the crime...and win shitloads of money.

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Tort reform is long overdue in the US, but it's a seperate issue.

Heh, this reminds me of when I was in high school, for some reason in my economics class my teacher was discussing with us EXACTLY what you needed to do to kill some one who broke into your house and get off scott free with the local law enforcement.

In retrospect, that was pretty fucked up.

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Actually, defense of property isn't a justification for use of deadly force in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. Although if the dude shows up in your bedroom, you have a pretty strong case for self-defense/defense of others.

* sleeveboy goes back to studying torts

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Actually, as I understand it (and anybody who can show me something that proves me wrong please do so), in Texas if someone breaks into your house, you are legally allowed to use deadly force. It doesn't matter if said person is threatening you or not. *shrug* Personally, I'd end the person before they knew I was there simply because I can't guarantee they won't harm me. They've already attacked me per se by breaking into my home; I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are not going to just stop there. In for a penny, in for a pound.

That said, I do think ol' Peter went a bit overboard there. He should have chased them, but call the police while doing so in order to have THEM apprehend them.

Just my $.02...

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Originally posted by burgundy
Exactly. You can't use deadly force unless deadly force is used against you.

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Close, but not quite. Shouldn't you be studying? Tick...tick...tick...

Anyway, yes, good ol' Pete went beyond the pale. Still, I have no sympathy for the plight of armed robbers.

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Originally posted by sleeveboy
Actually, defense of property isn't a justification for use of deadly force in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. Although if the dude shows up in your bedroom, you have a pretty strong case for self-defense/defense of others.

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In Texas it is perfectly legal to protect property with deadly force. I'm not up to date with all the laws in the U.S. but I have a feeling there are some other Southern states that probably have the same law.