Peter Moore inserts foot in mouth

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He continued on, speaking about the subject of connectivity, which was Nintendo's key focus at May's E3 Expo, he said, "When I was at Sega we did that [GC/GBA connectivity] with Sonic Advance - and the consumer went [shrugs shoulders] big deal! Someone's yet to explain to me the value of hooking up your handheld device to your console. If somebody can tell me what the value of [connectivity] is, I'm all for it."

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I'm not entirely sure where the value lies, but I think it might have something to do with innovative gameplay using both systems in tandem, instead of arbitrarily forcing someone to buy a console title to unlock a half-assed mini-game in your portable title.

The only game that uses GBA connectivity that Im even remotely interested in is FF:Crystal Chronicles. Then of course I would hardly consider that innovative since it's just acting as a controller with your own personal menu screen.

And no, using it as a radar screen dosen't count either. So far it has definetly caused me to just shrug my shoulders.

Maybe his definiton of "innovative" doesn't require $110 of seperate investments to the hardware you have. And yes, yes, we all know Sega's done Sega stuff too.

Just... Jesus Christ.

He's not putting his foot in his mouth; he's openly admitting he doesn't see the need to hook a keychain toy to a console toy in tandem. I more or less agree with him.

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Originally posted by dog$
He's not putting his foot in his mouth; he's openly admitting he doesn't see the need to hook a keychain toy to a console toy in tandem. I more or less agree with him.

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If just thinking about Crystal Chronicles, Pacman GC, and Four Swords GC isn't enough to get you wet, turn in your gamer license ASAP. You are part of the problem.

It's odd that Nintendo gets praised for talking trash when Microsoft and Sony get bashed for it.

And I agree with him. It's just a gimmick which is pretty much worthless, and this is coming from someone who owns the dreamcast to neo pocket cable, where Nintendo stole the idea from in the first place. :p

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Originally posted by LordPerrin
If just thinking about Crystal Chronicles, Pacman GC, and Four Swords GC isn't enough to get you wet, turn in your gamer license ASAP. You are part of the problem.

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Thanks. I really needed a laugh right now. :jest:

What problem?

That I don't want to mindlessly buy software titles on the basis of franchise name alone?

Goddamn, boy, you sure did school me good. Uh, please don't staple my "licence" too much, officer :confused:

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Originally posted by LordPerrin
If just thinking about Crystal Chronicles, Pacman GC, and Four Swords GC isn't enough to get you wet, turn in your gamer license ASAP. You are part of the problem.

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Fuck that shit.

Pac Man sounds stupid, I grew tired of Zelda years ago, and I don't care about Crystal whatever.

How does this make me "part of the problem"?

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Originally posted by 88mph
Fuck that shit.

Pac Man sounds stupid, I grew tired of Zelda years ago, and I don't care about Crystal whatever.

How does this make me "part of the problem"?

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I was typing up my reply, and realized either 88 or Dog$ would say it better. Except Pac-man interests me, but not enough to actually buy it, and I think Four Swords is stupid since it was already on GBA, and well, yea, I'll just play it on GBA.

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Originally posted by dog$
What problem?

That I don't want to mindlessly buy software titles on the basis of franchise name alone?\

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No numbskull, the problem of an industry driven by exactly that sort of consumer. The sort who doesn't give a damn about expanding the potential of the gaming experience.

No, the problem is this connectivity does _nothing_ to expand any sort of experience at all. It's just like the VMU of the dreamcast, only larger, unless you can somehow prove that it isn't. An extra tiny screen doesn't do anything for me, except cause eye strain.

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Originally posted by Ammadeau
It's just like the VMU of the dreamcast, only larger

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Wow, just, wow. It isn't like you to post something so glaringly ignorant. It's like you've done no research whatsoever. The VMU never did a tenth of a percent of what the GBA is doing in these games.

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Originally posted by LordPerrin
No numbskull, the problem of an industry driven by exactly that sort of consumer. The sort who doesn't give a damn about expanding the potential of the gaming experience.

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Expanding the gaming experience is fine with me...

"Expanding" it onto a shitty handheld system is lame.

What is so great about GBA connectivity? Its just a gimmick... nothing more.

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Originally posted by Ammadeau
It's just like the VMU of the dreamcast, only larger

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Other than games forcing you to buy one for stuff that should have already been in there, like the Animal Crossing island.

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Originally posted by 88mph
Fuck that shit.

Pac Man sounds stupid, I grew tired of Zelda years ago, and I don't care about Crystal whatever.

How does this make me "part of the problem"?

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I'm going with 88 and dog$. Pac Man would be decent if you have three other players available all the time. The others are worthless no matter how many people you hold captive in your basement.

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Originally posted by Yoshi
I'm going with 88...

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Well shit... the fucking world is coming to an end then.

*head explodes*

LordPerrin, put the crack pipe down and give rational thought a try. No one here is saying that expanding the gaming experience with the GBA is a bad thing in and of itself, they're saying that *gasp* it's not for them. Right now, the only GC-GBA connectivity that I care about is the GBA demos on the GC demo disc.

That lone feature gave some folks the ability to get demos for not just one system, but a WHOPPING two systems at once. To ME, that is the best use of it. You might have a different opinion on it, good. Also, that gaming license image is fucking great.

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Originally posted by Jeremy
that gaming license image is fucking great.

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I didn't even see that until now.

I love it.

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Originally posted by Jeremy
LordPerrin, put the crack pipe down and give rational thought a try. No one here is saying that expanding the gaming experience with the GBA is a bad thing in and of itself, they're saying that *gasp* it's not for them. Right now, the only GC-GBA connectivity that I care about is the GBA demos on the GC demo disc.

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I'll say it. "Expanding the gaming experience with the GBA is a bad thing in and of itself." Nintendo's focus on that bullshit has kept them from making any head-way online. Mario Kart Online (with official, non-GameSpy support) would be better than the sum of all this linking crap combined.

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Originally posted by Yoshi
Mario Kart Online (with official, non-GameSpy support) would be better than the sum of all this linking crap combined.

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word.

Uh... the Gamespy support is official. It's part of the program getting pressed onto the G.O.D. Doesn't get much more official than that.

Huh?

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Originally posted by LordPerrin
Uh... the Gamespy support is official. It's part of the program getting pressed onto the G.O.D. Doesn't get much more official than that.

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the gamespy support is official, but it hasn't been confirmed whether or not mario kart will take advantage of it.

F-Zero GX Online (with official, non-GameSpy support) would be better than the sum of all this linking crap combined :)

Zelda Four-Swords on GC is kinda cool. When your Link on the main screen gets separated (falls down a pit, etc.) from the group, he drops onto the GBA screen, and has to work alone until the other Links find him.

The whole connectivity idea is forgettable and pointless. Its a strategy to make consumers to buy multiple copies of the games for 2 systems in order to unlock some WORTHY(in their mind) extras.

Woo-hoo. An ART GALERY WOW I paid $30 for GBA version for that . Too cool for words !

I'm excited to play FFCC with two player with two gbas. :D

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Originally posted by Despair
The whole connectivity idea is forgettable and pointless. Its a strategy to make consumers to buy multiple copies of the games for 2 systems in order to unlock some WORTHY(in their mind) extras.

Woo-hoo. An ART GALERY WOW I paid $30 for GBA version for that . Too cool for words !

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When dipshits like Moore are implementing it, yeah, that about sums it up, but that's not what it was made for. Look at Animal Crossing, or any of the games that showcased the feature at E3. None of them require a separate GBA game. Those games are going to revolutionize multiplayer gaming, and it's absurd how many people are just writing them off.

I look forward to handing out many an "I told you so" come Christmas, when you won't be able to swing a dead cat without hitting a FFCC praise thread. ;)

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Originally posted by kabuki
F-Zero GX Online (with official, non-GameSpy support) would be better than the sum of all this linking crap combined :)

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So are you going to pay for the servers and bandwidth? The Gamespy stuff is free -- they're handling the equipment and bandwidth so you don't have to pay a stupid monthly fee like PSO.

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Zelda Four-Swords on GC is kinda cool. When your Link on the main screen gets separated (falls down a pit, etc.) from the group, he drops onto the GBA screen, and has to work alone until the other Links find him.

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Yeah, but where the hell am I going to find 4 people that want to play? Maybe 1 other person, but no one else cares.

Nintendo: To hell with the connectivity gimmick. Spend more time on refining gameplay. No more rushed Marios, please.

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Originally posted by Kidnemo
I'm excited to play FFCC with two player with two gbas. :D

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I think that people that generally have at least a second person around and many times a third actually like this idea, myself included. Except Despair, of course.

--Scourge .

Christ Perrin, give it up.

I don't see any reason why I should be forced to play a game with another person to achieve the "full experience".

Thats bullshit.

If I play a game with another person, its gonna be a fighting game... none of this "OMFGPACMAN" shit.

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Originally posted by LordPerrin
Wow, just, wow. It isn't like you to post something so glaringly ignorant. It's like you've done no research whatsoever. The VMU never did a tenth of a percent of what the GBA is doing in these games.

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Then tell me what makes it so remarkable instead of just saying over and over 'it's really remarkable.' Because it's obvious I'm not seeing, but you're still not actually explaining it.

So far I know:

1. It unlocks things
(useless, should be part of the game itself.)
2. Seperate screen for other players
(doesn't compare to system link imo)

What else is there to it?

Nintendo made it, so its automatically wonderful.

Duh...

Everyone knows that. Best feature EVAR !!! :p

gb connectivity=dumb gimmick

peter moore speaks the truth.

I love Nintendo, but connectivity is pretty suck so far.

The best use by far has been the DLable NES games, and those could have been put on a $30 cart.

is suck and always will be. anybody who buys into this crap has too much money to waste.

The far the GBA/GCN connectivity schtick seems like a fairly lame gimmick to me. The games don't seem interesting. The Pacman game sounds like it would be fun as an internet shareware game... but that's it.

I think the notion of using GBAs as Gamecube controllers is ridiculous. They're expensive, lack buttons, and are non ergonomic. Sure, it's nice to have a secret screen built into the controller for certain games - but that's what the VMU was for. Nintendo (and the other console manufacturers) should have included this kind of functionality in the original controller for these kinds of things.

Meh...It's just too convoluted and pricey for what it offers.

I agree with Peter Moore.

Oh yeah, added value to the thread right there.

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Originally posted by LordPerrin
If just thinking about Crystal Chronicles, Pacman GC, and Four Swords GC isn't enough to get you wet, turn in your gamer license ASAP. You are part of the problem.

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LOL

I liked Pacman GC when it was in every online PC first-person shooter as a Capture the Flag, Tag, or Race mod, and handicap deathmatch. It also looked better and didn't require me to buy into gimmicks to play an ancient game in multiplayer.

Four Swords GC wasn't even awesome when it was Four Swords GBA. It was already old and derivative of every Gauntlet-style dungeon crawler ever made. I liked it when it was called Diablo and Phantasy Star Online.

I'll give you Crystal Chronicles since I'm interested in it, but I won't give you the fact that it requires GBAs as controllers for multiplayer. That's lazy game development, as there are dozens of other ways they could implement a menu system without making me spend an extra $110 dollars to be able to equip a new sword.

You're being a stupid fanboy, and you're falling for Nintendo's PR bullshit. I'll gladly allow you to waste money on Nintendo's money-sucking gimmick device.

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Peter Moore inserts foot in mouth

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LOL

Like the Dreamcast VMU, the extra's provided with GBA connectivity will be overlooked by most users of the GC, who will look at it as more of a gimmick, than actually a worthy addition to their gaming enjoyment. Peter Moore is most likely correct in his veiw of this.

I'm not just part of the problem. I may well be THE problem. I don't give a damn about connectivity.

Wait, it gets worse. I don't give a damn about handheld gaming.

That was one of the few quotes from Peter Moore that sounded fairly credible.