I just discovered that fact in the latest issue of Game Informer...
Suddenly my interest in Wario World just went up 500%.....
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I just discovered that fact in the latest issue of Game Informer...
Suddenly my interest in Wario World just went up 500%.....
welcome to a week after E3 2002.
Beaten to the pwnage. Damn you Lucas.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
welcome to a week after E3 2002.
And um, may I remind you Treasure has made one of the WORST 3d games I, and many others have played, so I don't see why Treasure suddenly makes Wario World AWESUM!!!11111111
I'm getting it because it looks fun, it has no gimmicks (a vacuum or water pump) and it's Wario, and I could care less if it was Nintendo, Treasure, or even BAM! that was making it, as long as it's a blast.
from what i heard it's nothing truly outstanding, but makes a good rental, so that's what i'll do first..
Gutsman has to be the most generic joke account ever.
Suddenly your cluelessness went down 500%. Good Job!Quote:
Originally posted by Gutsman
I just discovered that fact in the latest issue of Game Informer...
Suddenly my interest in Wario World just went up 500%.....
sounds like every other Treasure game.Quote:
Originally posted by johnk_
from what i heard it's nothing truly outstanding,
they're more than consistant enough for me, thanks.
they've made literally a handfull of good games. and all of those i'd score somewhere between 8-9. i wouldn't give anything they've made over a 9 though.
sure they've made some great games, but never anything truly special.
Treasure hate/love is getting fucking old. How about liking the game on it's own merits and stop sucking Treasure's cock. Their L33T-man-milk is seeping into your brain.
And may I remind you that last time Treasure worked with Nintendo they made one of the greatest 3D games I, and many others have played. Your point?Quote:
And um, may I remind you Treasure has made one of the WORST 3d games I, and many others have played, so I don't see why Treasure suddenly makes Wario World AWESUM!!!11111111
Well, since they've made literally only a handful of games total, it sounds like you have nothing to bitch about.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
they've made literally a handfull of good games. and all of those i'd score somewhere between 8-9. i wouldn't give anything they've made over a 9 though.
for someone who has a Treasure site, you're quite the idiot. but then again, that's old news.
Well-written and informative. You did a splendid job of creating a witty retort to me pointing out the obvious.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
for someone who has a Treasure site, you're quite the idiot. but then again, that's old news.
Or at least, I'm sure that's what you thought when you typed that out. What was your point again? Oh that's right, you didn't have one.
well, it took me about 30 minutes to come up with it, so i'd say so.
What game was that? Sin and Punishment?Quote:
And may I remind you that last time Treasure worked with Nintendo they made one of the greatest 3D games
well, aside from developing my favorite genesis game, my favorite N64 game, 2 of my favorite saturn games, 2 of my favorite DC games, and several other original games (keyword - original), i suppose they haven't done much to contribute to videogames as a whole - maybe you're right Lucas...
Treasure isn't nintendo - and i love them for that - the fact that they simply don't need to release sequels/updates from established franchises to keep a fanbase and remain profitable..
sure the love/hate treasure crap is old, but at least give a bit of credit where a bit of credit is due.
i won't hate you for hating treasure, if that's the cool thing to do these days, whatever... there's no real need to bash them or their fanbase.. leave us alone and let us enjoy their games.
I'm looking forward to Wario World, I'm not expecting anything mind-blowing, just a fun game. Treasure is great at delivering those most of the time, barring Stretch Panic...
Trust me, I do. I just don't jump into every related thread defending/offending Treasure and/or it's fanbase like some others feel the need to.Quote:
Originally posted by johnk_
sure the love/hate treasure crap is old, but at least give a bit of credit where a bit of credit is due.
I'm probably as big a fan of Treasure as you but starting a thread with a title like "Holy crap! Treasure developed Wario World??" requires some sharp stinging replies. I mean, come on. Judge the game on it's own merits and not by who's developing it. I'm curious if Gutsman would like Wario World, not knowing it was by Treasure. Get what I mean ;)
understood/agreed
Silvergun is about a 10.5.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
they've made literally a handfull of good games. and all of those i'd score somewhere between 8-9. i wouldn't give anything they've made over a 9 though.
sure they've made some great games, but never anything truly special.
burg, it is commonly accepted that ratings should be on a scale of 1 to 10, not 1 to 20. :pQuote:
Originally posted by burgundy
Silvergun is about a 10.5.
Bangai-oQuote:
Originally posted by johnk_
but at least give a bit of credit where a bit of credit is due.
Mischeif Makers
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga
Sin & Punishment
Gaurdian Heroes
all great games, but nothing special. like i said, these games would all get an 8-9 from me.
and what the fuck does Nintendo have to do with this? how is it that the "Treasure isn't Nintendo and i love them for that" argument always gets brought up? it's irrelevant.
Huh? Shouldn't all great games be considered special in some way? You ranking them as 8-9 just goes to show how confused you really are about what you're saying. NO GAME DESERVES A 10, PERIOD. That means that the game has reached perfection with absolutely no room for improvement. I refuse to give any game in existence a 10 based off that alone.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
Bangai-o
Mischeif Makers
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga
Sin & Punishment
Gaurdian Heroes
all great games, but nothing special. like i said, these games would all get an 8-9 from me.
I think it's your fanboyism towards Nintendo and/or Namco and how blindly you've defended them while not applying your same "logic" (used loosely here) that you do towards Treasure.Quote:
and what the fuck does Nintendo have to do with this? how is it that the "Treasure isn't Nintendo and i love them for that" argument always gets brought up? it's irrelevant.
It would also be nice for you to actually speak your opinion about their game quality and/or track record when you've actually played every game they've made.
Mr. Furious, numerical rankings are subjective in nature. What one person deems a 9, another might deem a 6 or a 7. Due to this, I put absolutely no stock in numerical scores unless there is some textual and factual basis for them presented at or near the exact same time as the numerical score is handed out.
You're not understanding what I'm saying and are not telling me anything I don't already know. My point is that if anything is rated from 1-10, a 10 would most likely equate to perfect. I apply this logic to games and their reviews. It's a point system where points are added or substracted based off preferences. Having no reason to deduct points equals 100% perfection.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy
Mr. Furious, numerical rankings are subjective in nature. What one person deems a 9, another might deem a 6 or a 7. Due to this, I put absolutely no stock in numerical scores unless there is some textual and factual basis for them presented at or near the exact same time as the numerical score is handed out.
Lucas is stating that he'd give a "handful of their games" an 8-9 which by industry standard is an exceptional game and his usually highly recommended. What's ironic is his "handful" is more like half of their entire catalogue of games and probably more than that that he's actually played. I highly doubt he's played every game so to speak like he has is ignorant.
if those were the only Treasure games that i've played, i'd never call them hit-or-miss.
and i should've made myself more clear. i'd give their games an 8.0-9.0.
I never said they were the only games you've played but what I am saying is that you have not played every game they have made so to speak of their entire catalogue and provide opinions on it as a whole is ignorant.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
if those were the only Treasure games that i've played, i'd never call them hit-or-miss.
uh, yeah....that's better :confused:Quote:
and i should've made myself more clear. i'd give their games an 8.0-9.0.
The point is that people like Gutsman seem to hype Treasure up to god like status. I mean, his interest in Wario World increased just because he found out Treasure was making it? We have to assume he didn't care about Wario World at all, since if he did, he would have known this tiny little fact.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
And may I remind you that last time Treasure worked with Nintendo they made one of the greatest 3D games I, and many others have played. Your point?Well, since they've made literally only a handful of games total, it sounds like you have nothing to bitch about.
So all of a sudden, Wario World is on his "must buy" list, just because of Treasure. Mr_Furious is right in that people should just like games because of what they are.
And if that 3d collaberation you're talking about is Sin And Punishment, then not many others have played it, barring those who visit message board sites, and we're just a tiny tiny number in the world of gaming. Stretch Panic is more well known, and it's the worst 3d game on a next-gen system. Does Gutsman love it just because it says Treasure on it?
And yea, I own alot of Treasure's games, and I like them. But I'm not running out to splooge all over a game just because of a logo.
Not what you were saying when you decided they were a Nintendo exclusive party.Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
sounds like every other Treasure game.
Remember, you're only right when you agree with Lucas. :rolleyes:
That's correct, but that doesn't change what I said being true.Quote:
Originally posted by Roufuss
So all of a sudden, Wario World is on his "must buy" list, just because of Treasure. Mr_Furious is right in that people should just like games because of what they are.
Same goes for the number of people who know about Stretch Panic. Do you think that it sold much better just because it was released overseas? That game did horribly and isn't well known at all. I personally have yet to meet a single person that doesn't frequent message boards that's even heard of SP, let alone played it.Quote:
And if that 3d collaberation you're talking about is Sin And Punishment, then not many others have played it, barring those who visit message board sites, and we're just a tiny tiny number in the world of gaming.
Sure, if you don't count games like Wolverine's Revenge, Tao Feng, Kakuto Chojin, BMX XXX, Whacked, or any of the many other games that are such utter crap so as to make Stretch Panic seem like a AAA title.Quote:
Stretch Panic is more well known, and it's the worst 3d game on a next-gen system.
I was just going to say something similar but I was gonna take a dig at just about every 3DO title on any current system. At least Stretch Panic was an impressive tech demo which 3D0 can't even claim.Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
Sure, if you don't count games like Wolverine's Revenge, Tao Feng, Kakuto Chojin, BMX XXX, Whacked, or any of the many other games that are such utter crap so as to make Stretch Panic seem like a AAA title.
I've met enough people who bought it. I worked at Best Buy when it was ten bucks, and people always picked it up because it was only ten. We sold out of those copies in about 3 days. That's just my one store in my area, but I'd imagine alot of people bought it because it was cheap, cause well, that's what people do. "It's only ten bucks, might as well try it!!"Quote:
Originally posted by MechDeus
That game did horribly and isn't well known at all. I personally have yet to meet a single person that doesn't frequent message boards that's even heard of SP, let alone played it.Sure, if you don't count games like Wolverine's Revenge, Tao Feng, Kakuto Chojin, BMX XXX, Whacked, or any of the many other games that are such utter crap so as to make Stretch Panic seem like a AAA title.
And all those other games you mentioned at least have SOME redeeming qualities. I've yet to find one in stretch panic, unless you count the fact you can twist a big pair of boobs. But the boobs are so ugly it dosen't matter.
I'm calling you out on that, because those games are trash, through and through.Quote:
Originally posted by Roufuss
And all those other games you mentioned at least have SOME redeeming qualities.
I don't care about the boobs but I think the bosses are sweet as hell. I personally think that if Linda moved with the speed and grace of something like Epsilon from Alien Soldier then SP would've been a great game, but she didn't and it slowed the game down too much.Quote:
I've yet to find one in stretch panic, unless you count the fact you can twist a big pair of boobs.
that's because everyone has that much more potential when they have Nintendo helping them out :pQuote:
Originally posted by Frogacuda
Not what you were saying when you decided they were a Nintendo exclusive party.
The only problem here was that gutsman started the thread openly and blatantly admitting that he had no interest in Wario World until he learned treasure developed it, which, unbeknownst to him, accurately depicts the "stereotypical treasure fanboy"..
cue in the "treasure is overrated" and the "it's cool to hate treasure" crowd along with anyone else who feels like taking a flame shot at the n00b's mistake..
then the sensible treasure fans come in to try to restore order and cool everything down while trying to preserve some of treasure's dignity.. :p
wait, this has happened before, hasn't it??
oh, that's right... in about every other Treasure-related thread in TNL.
So why no love for Wario World?Quote:
Originally posted by Lucas Barton
that's because everyone has that much more potential when they have Nintendo helping them out :p
I was excited about Wario World from the moment it was announced, and only excited more by Treasure's involvement.
I have yet to read a good (meaning compotent, not positive) review of Wario World, so I'm witholding judgement since everything about it appeals to me.
when's the release date, BTW?
6/24 is the current release date.
johnk_ owns you all, Wario World was fun to play before I knew Treasure made it and just as fun since I've known.
June 24th...too bad I won't get paid til a few days later. I doubt it'll sell out though.
The overall argument against Gutsman isn't very well conceived, though. If I heard a new 3D fighter was coming, then I would probably be more excited about it if it was from a company with the pedigree of Sega or Namco than if it was from Acclaim or Eidos (for istance). I can make that assumption sight-unseen. Perhaps I like the way Namco makes 3D fighters, so even if I wasn't interested in some random title before, knowing Namco made it may cause me to investigate.
Gutsman's case, he likes the type of games Treasure makes, so he becomes more interested in a particular game, now knowing Treasure makes it, since he expects it to retain some of what he likes in their other titles.
Pretty simple, guys.
Yeah, but this is more like if a fighting game came out under Capcom's publishing, and then you find out they sub-letted one of their franchises to SNK. Capcom or SNK, you still have a good idea that the game will be playable, not a joke.
who said no love for Wario? i just said that it would probably end up being like most Treasure games. meaning 8.0-9.0 assuming it wasn't a miss.Quote:
Originally posted by Frogacuda
So why no love for Wario World?
i wasn't excited about it til i played it and it turned out to be more like a beat em up. quite a suprise for me at the time.Quote:
Originally posted by Frogacuda
I was excited about Wario World from the moment it was announced, and only excited more by Treasure's involvement.
and when did it become cool to hate Treasure? as far as i can see, everyone in this thread seems to be defending them.
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have worded the topic in such a n00bish way, but I was just surprised to find out that Wario World was developed by Treasure. I actually was already interested in Wario World to begin with, but I just totally didn't expect it to be developed by a company like Treasure. I mean even though Treasure isn't the best developer in the world they do have a unique style to all their games. I'm just eager to see how Treasure will add their own flavor and style to a platformer like Wario.
next time just don't sound too enthusiastic about a new treasure game and you'll live through it.. :)
it takes time, but we all learn.
I believe I saw the game two days ago, weird that we got it before NA, I'm not interested in it since I've never played a Wario game before but Treasure's involvement does add someting. Not as much as they did when working on Gradius, that just went to a must have from the early rumor pages.
I bought Stretch Panie yesterday, I really like it, fun little game. Not worth full price but worth the 1500Y I payed for it. I`m looking forward to Wario World, looks nice. Hooray for being positive.
I'm quickly learning that while this board has many well-informed gamers, it's also home to some of the most self-important pricks, most know-it-all "1337 hardcore" assholes in all of internet messageboard land.
Now it's cool to dismiss Treasure's games as "nothing special"? lol. If I ever get as crotchety and desperate for attention (internet messageboard attention no less) as some of you I hope somebody puts me out of my misery.
These threads are informative though. Now I know whos future posts to simply skip over seeing as how they've proven a complete lack of credibility.
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Were you listening to the Dude's
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DONNY
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WALTER
So you have no frame of reference,
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I personally don't think Stretch Panic is the greatest game ever made, but it is better than 40% of the Xbox's game library at this time.
I never beat the last boss in Stretch Panic... I have to try again.
"cue in the "treasure is overrated" and the "it's cool to hate treasure" crowd along with anyone else who feels like taking a flame shot at the n00b's mistake."
LMFAO.
These days loving Treasure isn't cool. Hating Treasure isn't cool. Being the person in the thread moaning about people who love or hate Treasure certainly isn't cool.
The only way to be cool is to not talk about Treasure at all. Ever.
TNL is just like any other board. Except generally better.Quote:
Originally posted by Compass
I'm quickly learning that while this board has many well-informed gamers, it's also home to some of the most self-important pricks, most know-it-all "1337 hardcore" assholes in all of internet messageboard land.
Now it's cool to dismiss Treasure's games as "nothing special"? lol. If I ever get as crotchety and desperate for attention (internet messageboard attention no less) as some of you I hope somebody puts me out of my misery.
These threads are informative though. Now I know whos future posts to simply skip over seeing as how they've proven a complete lack of credibility.
I mean, you'll find the same trend at Gaming Age, GameFAQs, IGN and Gamespot boards.
Except the people on those sites are generally clueless.
At least our morons, on the whole, have some sense of taste.
Filter out the stupidity. Put some people on ignore. You'll start to like the place.
I was going to write something along these lines. Since you put it so perfectly I'll just quote ya.Quote:
Originally posted by Compass
I'm quickly learning that while this board has many well-informed gamers, it's also home to some of the most self-important pricks, most know-it-all "1337 hardcore" assholes in all of internet messageboard land.
Now it's cool to dismiss Treasure's games as "nothing special"? lol. If I ever get as crotchety and desperate for attention (internet messageboard attention no less) as some of you I hope somebody puts me out of my misery.
These threads are informative though. Now I know whos future posts to simply skip over seeing as how they've proven a complete lack of credibility.
Obviously Gutsman doesn't spend every waking moment on the internet hording and disecting information on videogames. Perhaps he does other things with his time. So he comes to TNL to express how thrilled he is that Wario is being developed by one of his favorite developers and he wants to know how everyone else feels about this.
The first five or six guys flame him for being an incompetent gamer who needs to catch up with the industry. Being abused for sharing his thoughts on a game.
Its amazing this site gets any newbies at all anymore.
Hey, where'd the wind go? These sails are windless.Quote:
Originally posted by FuryFox
The overall argument against Gutsman isn't very well conceived, though. If I heard a new 3D fighter was coming, then I would probably be more excited about it if it was from a company with the pedigree of Sega or Namco than if it was from Acclaim or Eidos (for istance). I can make that assumption sight-unseen. Perhaps I like the way Namco makes 3D fighters, so even if I wasn't interested in some random title before, knowing Namco made it may cause me to investigate.
Gutsman's case, he likes the type of games Treasure makes, so he becomes more interested in a particular game, now knowing Treasure makes it, since he expects it to retain some of what he likes in their other titles.
Pretty simple, guys.
Why do you want to be cool at all?Quote:
Originally posted by padman
"cue in the "treasure is overrated" and the "it's cool to hate treasure" crowd along with anyone else who feels like taking a flame shot at the n00b's mistake."
LMFAO.
These days loving Treasure isn't cool. Hating Treasure isn't cool. Being the person in the thread moaning about people who love or hate Treasure certainly isn't cool.
The only way to be cool is to not talk about Treasure at all. Ever.
That's not to say to not talk about Treasure to be cool, but why do you care? There are people here who are generally not idiots, and like to talk about things they like with others who share a common interest. It's about conversing and expressing, not some popularity contest bullshit that some may have you think.
He could have at least used the search tool.Quote:
Originally posted by BEBOPlover
Obviously Gutsman doesn't spend every waking moment on the internet hording and disecting information on videogames. Perhaps he does other things with his time. So he comes to TNL to express how thrilled he is that Wario is being developed by one of his favorite developers and he wants to know how everyone else feels about this.
The first five or six guys flame him for being an incompetent gamer who needs to catch up with the industry. Being abused for sharing his thoughts on a game.
Its amazing this site gets any newbies at all anymore.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...der=descending
That's what this is all about, really. Well, that and the odd propensity for TNL users to launch into either hysterics or flaming fanboyism at the slightest mention of a certain hit-or-miss developer.
What?Quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
Hey, where'd the wind go? These sails are windless.
In retyrospect it is thje obvious choice. R&D1 isn't equipped to make a console game on their own anymore, and EAD is swamped with bigger projects and jobbing out franchises (aside from which EAD should not be allowed within 100 yards of the Wario franchise), and R&D1 has past history with Treasure, and Treasure has some past history with quirky underappreciated platformers (much like the Wario series). So it makes sense even if I didn't see it coming.Quote:
Originally posted by Gutsman
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have worded the topic in such a n00bish way, but I was just surprised to find out that Wario World was developed by Treasure. I actually was already interested in Wario World to begin with, but I just totally didn't expect it to be developed by a company like Treasure. I mean even though Treasure isn't the best developer in the world they do have a unique style to all their games. I'm just eager to see how Treasure will add their own flavor and style to a platformer like Wario.
I don't understand why everyone is upset Gutsman wants to play the game because Treasure made it. When a new Pearl Jam record comes out I haven't heard yet, I go out and buy it, because it's Pearl Jam. If you beleive that a company/band/friend has a good track record, than what's wrong with trusting them?
Its called a light hearted joke you berk.Quote:
Why do you want to be cool at all?
That's not to say to not talk about Treasure to be cool, but why do you care? There are people here who are generally not idiots, and like to talk about things they like with others who share a common interest. It's about conversing and expressing, not some popularity contest bullshit that some may have you think.
Get a sence of humour. They're £1.20 from Everythings A Pound.
There's no company who's name immediately says "gold" to me.
I won't lie, given two games I've never played before and if I was forced to choose between the two; One was say...Infogrammes/Atari and the other was Treasure, I'm going to take Treasure.
Comparatively, in my opinion, Treasure has a better over-all track record. So I'd pick thier game if it came to that.
But that's like the 4th criterion! It's right around the coin-flip tie breaker in the NFL. You have overall record, conference record, head to head record..and so on, until finally you just flip a coin to decide who gets in the play-offs. You only do it after you've exhausted all the real decision making information at your disposal.
On a name alone basis, I'd take them by their past works over quite a few other companies.
That's no way to live though. There are other houses that I'd take over Treasure (I'll say it, EAD, don't like it? Suck a dick. I'd also take anything by SegaRosso because even though they don't have a whole lot of titles everything I've played from them has been wholey awesome.).
To me, it's a minor point. Either the game is good or it isn't. It's true that it might get a little more attention from me because of the developer, but I won't hoist it up on high unless it deserves it.
I think that's a problem. Too many people love or hate (or say they love or hate) a game just because of the developer.
It's like some wierd game prejudice. I say never hate someone based on thier skin color, religion or what have you. The true motherfuckers of the world, the ones you should hate will give you ample reason to hate them on thier own without relying on thier race.
Same goes for games. The games that really suck will let you know in no uncertain terms that they suck, just give them the chance.
And at the risk of being positive, the exact same thing is true for deciding wether a game is good or not.
Then again...what do I know?
No, but Treasure does equal immediate intrest for me. That doesn't mean guarunteed classic, or even guarunteed purchase, but it does mean immediate intrest. In fact pretty much all of my favorite devs get that treatment from me. The same way a new album from a favorite artist would intrest you even before you've heard it.Quote:
Originally posted by Blaine
There's no company who's name immediately says "gold" to me.
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner!Quote:
Originally posted by Lhadatt
He could have at least used the search tool.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...der=descending
He`s done it again :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by padman
Its called a light hearted joke you berk.
Get a sence of humour. They're £1.20 from Everythings A Pound.