Does Homophobia Truly Exist...?

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Originally posted by IronPlant
ok, maybe I jumped the gun, but why post a counter argument that is not your own, that is so faulty?

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Because LordPerrin's argument was faulty, and logically lead to the conclusion I provided.

He was arguing that sexual orientation is a product of predisposition.
He then said that God commands that the homosexuals not be homosexual, thus forcing them against their natural inclinations.

I argued that God never forces anyone against their natural inclinations.
Therefore, if God is forcing someone to not be homosexual, He is NOT forcing them against their natural predisposition, "proving" homosexuality to be a product of "unnatural choice," and thereby nullifying his argument.

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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
This responce, coupled with bbobb's is the precise reason I dislike talking about this subject. To damn many of you are ready to jump the gun and go breathing down my neck, fuming, because I expressed a view contrary to your own, and on the whole viewed as "callous," without actually taking the time to understand me fully, and to view my position in that I was simply providing an explanation for LordPerrin from a different point of view that WAS NOT MY OWN!

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Sorry my man. You know I like ya. :) It's just I get a bit vehemous about religion... which is the reason I try to stay out of the religion threads.

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Originally posted by bbobb
Sorry my man. You know I like ya. :) It's just I get a bit vehemous about religion... which is the reason I try to stay out of the religion threads.

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I know, man. And I like you, too.

Instead of avoiding it, why not address your hate for relegion? You may get some answers, and at the very least become a bit more understanding toward our points of view. ;)

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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable
Then please, by all means, provide us with the proof that sex is required for a healthy adult human life-style.

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I never claimed that. Please post the exact sentence that made you think I said that so I may never word a sentecence that way again.

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Originally posted by Captain Vegetable

Physialogically, human children and human adults are the same damned thing.

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Im not talking about a purely mental concept, the concept of sex as it pertains to human daily life goes beyond the mental and into the physical, both the body and mind play parts in it. Sexual preference goes beyond the physialogically. Being gay is only a physialogical issue in the few that have extrememly wierd and bad experences in life thus pushing them towards that choice. But the majority are born into it just like any strait person is born the way they are.

And the brain does regear itself in the teenage years. The brain of a child and the brain of a adult are not the same. I'm sorry but that is just the way it is. A good example is why teenagers make so many bad mistakes in regards to what they choose to do. The brain regears itself mainfly from the back region to the frontal region. One of the parts that regears first is the emotional center of the brain. And one of the last is the part that does logic and interpritation of complex ideas. So for a long time the brain has the emotions of a adult and the logic of a child. Typically they get overwhelmed by these feelings and act on them more so than a adult would. Human beings seem and are very similiar in their mental workings, but depending on the age of that person, the ability and the ratio of those parts of the brain to one another, changes.

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Originally posted by IronPlant
I never claimed that. Please post the exact sentence that made you think I said that so I may never word a sentecence that way again.

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Well then, what was the point of your refutation of 7's claim that sex can be forgone so long as a loving, intimate relationship is had?

He wasn't likening an adult to a child physically, but emotionally. I child functions without sex, and is well adjusted so long as he/she recieves love from other human beings. Comforting, unconditional love. An adult can function the same way. I'll agree that the comparison is more complex than that, but the original purpose is served. Adults can forgo sex. That was his point, however flawed you think his illustration.

Its not the same thing. One thing has no desire for sex, at all, one does, a lot.

And yet again, I never said people need sex to live. My point was that saying adult can do something just because a kid does it is a bad and wrong argument when it comes to sexuality.

And id like to ask you a question. Is it ok for two men to be gay, if they do not acutally have sex? Because you do see a few that live in couples that love each other in similar fashion that a husband and wife do. Would that be moral so long as they don't have intercorse?

Can I ask a tangent question here? I'm going to anyway so you might as well deal with it. :)

Why is it bad for men to be gay but nobody seems to mind it in women? Why, when talking about gays and gayness and all that is it primarily a male thing?

If it's bad for men to have sex together then it's bad for women to have sex together in equal measure. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

James

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Originally posted by IronPlant
And id like to ask you a question. Is it ok for two men to be gay, if they do not acutally have sex? Because you do see a few that live in couples that love each other in similar fashion that a husband and wife do. Would that be moral so long as they don't have intercorse?

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Yes. So long as any type foronication isn't an issue, it's fine. God never says "thou shalt not be gay." What He does say is that pre-marrital and extra-marrital (which doesn't apply in this case) sexual relations are sinful, and one should not indulge in them.

Though I would question a homosexual individual's motives for moving in with someone of the same sex. If they wanted to avoid fonication altogether, then I'd advise against it, as the temptation is much to great.

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Originally posted by James
Can I ask a tangent question here? I'm going to anyway so you might as well deal with it. :)

Why is it bad for men to be gay but nobody seems to mind it in women? Why, when talking about gays and gayness and all that is it primarily a male thing?

If it's bad for men to have sex together then it's bad for women to have sex together in equal measure. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

James

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Absolutley. Which is why I continue to phrase my words in such a way as to be sexually indescriminant.

Well for myself, if I tend to talk more about gay men (I don't know if seem to come off as talking about men, but I may) more than gay women, Id have to guess that its because I know more gay men than gay women and thus they just come to mind quicker.

As for why society is more accepting of gay women, id have to guess its probably something really childish in relation to the BUTT issue of it. People are typically taut that butts are nasty things. Men are more likely to have sex with butts than women. People think of gay men, they think of the butt and what they are doing with it, and ect ect.

Another reason is simple math. One women good, two better, ect. And if you disaprove of lesbians, you never get a chance to see that now do you (as unlikely as it is that anyone is just going to let you watch)?

People who hate gay men, and aprove of gay women are not baising their reasons for doing so on moral reasons, and most likely on stupid simple arguments that don't go much farther than primitive desires as I described above.

Fear and hate can both fuel each other. The movie, American Beauty is a fine example of this. Kevin Spacey's neighbor in the movie hated and dispised gay people. When he confronted Spacey's character in the movie, he was filled with hate, because of his gay yearnings. He showed those in the end of the movie and then reacted to what he felt was wrong in morals and killed his Spacey's character.


Phsycology points out, that hate is often fueled by fear.