Even Robert Gould Shaw made fun of and didn't particularly like black people at first. Of course, Thurmond's nowhere near where Shaw is in history, but the point is everyone's allowed to change their mind.
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Even Robert Gould Shaw made fun of and didn't particularly like black people at first. Of course, Thurmond's nowhere near where Shaw is in history, but the point is everyone's allowed to change their mind.
They're also allowed to pretend they changed their mind.
Hard to say for sure. But even if he were, he'd have been a political pariah and allowed no power within the Republican party (not allowed on any committee, his bills would be shot down, etc.) and his campaign contributions would've been crippled. And he knew it.Quote:
Originally posted by BoBVilla
He'd have been elected anyway.
Ah, so I see you've disected his brain and know what he's been thinking the past 38 years. That's interesting, you'll have to let the science community know exactly how you were able to do that. :rolleyes:
And you didn't, I suppose. So then how did you come to know that he did have a change of heart, and wasn't lying for political expediency?
I suppose it couldn't have anything to do with a fact that you shared a political party with the man.
I never said that he did or didn't, just that he could've, and I never attacked you either...you seem to be moving in on me.Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
And you didn't, I suppose. So then how did you come to know that he did have a change of heart, and wasn't lying for political expediency?
I suppose it couldn't have anything to do with a fact that you shared a political party with the man.
I was simply saying that to judge another man that you don't even know (or really at all) is in poor taste. Try looking more at the good that people have done and are doing instead of the bad.
I'm confused. Do you think he could be lying but still believe his service was commendable? Or do you just not care that he might've been a racist throughout his whole life?Quote:
Originally posted by Schlep
I never said that he did or didn't, just that he could've, and I never attacked you either...you seem to be moving in on me.
So it's okay for you to judge him commendable but not okay for me to judge him a bigoted piece of shit. We're only allowed to judge the good a person does in life and must forget the bad? Okay, back to the Hitler example, just for fun. Sure, he killed thousands and thousands of Jews, Gypsies, etc., but damn, look what he did for the German economy!Quote:
I was simply saying that to judge another man that you don't even know (or really at all) is in poor taste. Try looking more at the good that people have done and are doing instead of the bad.
"Okay, back to the Hitler example, just for fun. Sure, he killed thousands and thousands of Jews, Gypsies, etc., but damn, look what he did for the German economy!"
Another poor comparison. Hitler was always a hater of the Jewish, but a lot people who study him agree that if he was killed or died before Krystalnacht (however you spell it), he'd go down as one of the greatest Germans of all time. You certainly don't have to agree, but that's the way it is.
You seem to want to make everything black and white. I don't know why he started to embrace the black community, maybe it was political, maybe he was repenting, maybe it was a little bit of both. No one knows that but him.Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
I'm confused. Do you think he could be lying but still believe his service was commendable? Or do you just not care that he might've been a racist throughout his whole life?
So it's okay for you to judge him commendable but not okay for me to judge him a bigoted piece of shit. We're only allowed to judge the good a person does in life and must forget the bad? Okay, back to the Hitler example, just for fun. Sure, he killed thousands and thousands of Jews, Gypsies, etc., but damn, look what he did for the German economy!
He fought for his country in World War II, served the longest term ever in the senate, and believe it or not, gave his own little push towards equal rights after 1964.
Your Hitler example that you keep bringing up 'for fun' isn't even related, it's not even the same ballpark. Maybe if you had said that Thurmond was more like Benedict Arnold or Aaron Burr, I might've been able to see your point.
Regardless, I still have to commend him for giving his life to public service.
I'm not sure what you're referring to through the quote, and my statement was that we should try to look more at the good someone does than the bad, not that we should ignore the bad.Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
You're the one saying we should ignore the bad in someone's life and only focus on the good.
It's very easy to pick out the bad things people do, everyone does it all of the time. How many people bring to light the good that a person does, though? I mean, how can you be glad someone's dead whose worst crime was the he was adamantly against something and turned out to be wrong? Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe he was so against black civil rights because he was from South Carolina and that's what was politcally the right thing to do?
Obviously it's not iron fisted leadership, but maybe he had to ease the state into accepting civil rights for black people. I mean, afterall, South Carolina was the instigator of secession over the exact same issue.
Not everything is black and white...I don't and you don't know what his true intentions are. We can only look at the person he became and hope that it was genuine and not a political ploy.
I'd just like to interrupt this scintillating discussion and say:
Nice av, Schlep. Badtz-Maru rocks!
Thanks. :D