Chaos! Fighting games that seriously have let you down...

Virtua Fighter series....No matter how much I try and give this series a chance, it just doesn't impress me. I thought for sure with VF3 i would get to liking it....but nope. I mean, it's revolutionary and all that, but I suppose the biggest thing was that I didn't like the characters.

Still have yet to play SvC to see for myself...so I'm just not saying anything yet. Though I do have a habit of liking games everyone else hates......but we'll see.

KOF 2001- Entire game screams "slapped together in two months".

Jojo's Adventure- Interesting ideas, great characters, just too simple and a bit short on moves. If the PS2 sequel ever hits the US I'd like to see if the gameplay evolved.

Galaxy Fight- Cripes, Gamefan hyped this game to no end, it was OK and that's about it.

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Originally Posted by neoalphazero

Jojo's Adventure- Interesting ideas, great characters, just too simple and a bit short on moves. If the PS2 sequel ever hits the US I'd like to see if the gameplay evolved.

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The PS2 sequel isn't a fighter though and doesn't play anything like the arcade fighters. =/

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Originally Posted by Sub

and now, a long post because i'm at work and typing makes me look like good worker #1

I don't get the SVC IS BAD vibe all of a sudden. High level stuff aside (sorry dudes, it's been a day since it showed up here, I haven't exactly been looking up infinites), this is exactly the game that we'd had described to us in minute detail for two damned months. Now a bunch of us play it, say golly, this certainly looks like the game that was described to us. Now people turn around, say the game is shit, say the game is broken, etc etc etc. It's been a day since the game went into wide release and about three days since the Cali guys started playing. I don't think that ANYBODY can have an absolute authoritative end-all opinion at this point.

Anyway, moving on to the actual subject matter here:

KOF2k2 is a solid game because it's trying too hard to be 98. That's the feeling the whole game gives me. It feels half-assed, honestly. Also, the special move canceling system was very poorly thought out and pretty much screws over every character who doesn't have a ludicrously strong BC-mode combo. Rag on 99 through 2k1 all you like, and boy can I, but at least they tried. That's what disappoints me about 2k2. Sure, they made it to make the fans happy, but that doesn't mean you just fill out a checklist of wanted characters and make a game out of it.

Most of the SF games shouldn't have been brought to market. It was just Capcom being dumb and expecting entirely too much loyalty of its fanbase. Here are the ones I think shouldn't have come out and helped to kill SF's credibility as a series:

CE: My position on CE depends on whether it was a free bugfix or actually offered as a separate game, because well.... it was just a patch, wasn't it? I've always thought it should have been treated as such.

Super: Obviously rushed to market, everybody knows it, etc etc, I could go on. Super Turbo should have been the only Super SF2.

SF3 original: Second Impact is where the game got good. As it stood, SF3 felt much too incomplete, and there should have been no pressure on Capcom to rush out the first game in a series to begin with.

SFA1: Same as with the SF3 series, Capcom drew some sprites and tossed them into an incomplete game that SHOULD HAVE been extremely important. After Super SF2 made a running joke out of SF sequels, Capcom should not have been trying to milk the franchise.

CVS1: Just wasn't a good enough compromise. There was definitely effort put into the game, but the restrictive character selection process alone (honestly, with a game of this nature why would you RESTRICT who can team up?) nearly kills it. The most embarrassing part is how much better the Neo Pocket SVC was. I'll leave it at that.

VF's always upgraded in substantial ways and has in most cases been THE game to influence the 3d fighting genre. I have no issues with that series.

VF1 invented the 3d fighter, albeit in a simplistic, bare-bones manner. The fact that every 3d fighter has been based closely on this engine speaks for itself.

VF2 seriously fleshed out the characters and the systems with stuff like extra moves and throw escapes. The overhaul was so serious, it's unfair to just call it a tweak.

VF3 experimented with 3D movement and interactive backgrounds. I don't think it did well on either front, but again, the characters were made much, much more complex than they were in the previous game, which alone would warrant a sequel for a lot of series. The only one I could categorize as possibly being a disappointment in some ways, but still absolutely the best 3d fighter of the time.

VF4 took the good elements from VF3 and VF2 and smashed them together. The game is fast like VF2 was (though admittedly not VF2 fast), the characters have freedom of movement, and the rings have variety without creating the strange-looking situations that happened all the time in VF3. Plus they added stances for every character and an entire new attack type in the form of the sabaki.

Seriously now, name me a fighting game series that's come THAT FAR in ten years or any amount of years. These games have utterly failed to disappoint me in any way.

But I am, I'll certainly admit, a total drooling fanboy for VF, so I could be wrong.

edit: note to self: please do not discuss three major franchises in single post ever again

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You know what's up. VF rocks!

Holy shit, I can't believe I forgot to mention Soul Calibur yet. I loved Soul Blade, and was disappointed beyond belief when I played SC. The graphics may have been nice, but for me, the unbalance gameplay killed it.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

Virtua Fighter series....No matter how much I try and give this series a chance, it just doesn't impress me. I thought for sure with VF3 i would get to liking it....but nope. I mean, it's revolutionary and all that, but I suppose the biggest thing was that I didn't like the characters.

Still have yet to play SvC to see for myself...so I'm just not saying anything yet. Though I do have a habit of liking games everyone else hates......but we'll see.

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The characters are cool. You pretty much have to know the game to liek them though. The charcaters distinct fighting style is their main draw. Much more impressive looking then all other 3D fighters. Wolf is like really cool now that he has all the WWE famous moves.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

Holy shit, I can't believe I forgot to mention Soul Calibur yet. I loved Soul Blade, and was disappointed beyond belief when I played SC. The graphics may have been nice, but for me, the unbalance gameplay killed it.

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...and what was so balanced about soulblade?

I could add the entire KOF series, every game that comes out is just bearly better then the last with a few new characters and gameplay features added. It wasn't till MOTW that we got to see ANYTHING as a major overhaul, but c'mon SNK, at least make the game look like it has a sequel.

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Originally Posted by voltz

oh yeah, another thing that set me off on VF4 was the backgrounds. What happened to the areas they used in part 3?!? Now it's back to caged arenas and platforms you can fall off from, how lame. I was hoping they would expand like the way soul calibur has, or make them something like tekken 4 so you have a real place to step in, seems like they're losing their sense of logic.

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I'll explain to you the brilliance of VF4's backgrounds/arenas. Most of them are small enough to keep the fighting in your face. This makes the pace of the game flow really well. Yet, they are at the sametime big enough to allow all types of defensive and evade tactics. Since the ring outs and walls are always not that far away, ring positioning pretty much comes into play all the time. The breakable walls also add another dimension. If you can't avoid going into a wall, might as well go into a breakable one. If you can switch positions after your back or face breaks the wall, you can ring them out.

So in conclusion, VF4 background/arenas are streamlined for performance. Bigger or bulkier does not always mean better. Especially when it comes to fighting games. SC2 actually should have kepted the arenas smaller.

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Originally Posted by voltz

...and what was so balanced about soulblade?

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Soul Blade wasn't even balanced. SC was way more balanced and actually became a fighting game. Soul Blade was more like a Toshinden or Plasma Sword level of fighter. The Soul series couldn't hang until SC.

MK3: After the kick-assedness of MK2, I was expecting a real treat. Unfortunately, broken combos of some of the characters killed it ( 75% w/ Kabal ). Most of the cast was unappealing to use. UMK3 and MKTrilogy were more like what MK3 should have been.

CvS1: I just consider this game an "experiment" to see how the fighting engine could be done for the best results. I really had to warm up to this game. I was spoiled after playing the superior Neo Pocket version.

KOF2k1: Oh, where to start. KOF just hasn't felt the same since 97'/98'. KOF 2k2 is a good beginning, but there's still that "feeling" that's been missing all these years. The music is shit, and the backgrounds, I've honestly seen better backgrounds on the Sega Genesis.

CvS 1 & 2. I bought them. I bought CVS2 twice, actually.

For the first day or so, I'm enthralled. I like the music, the overall atmosphere, etc. But after a while my interest wanes. I really dislike using a team. Also, something about the play control - it feels off. I always return to Street Fighter III or II but CvS never fails to piss me off.

BTW to Bahn, 88 and the rest, this is why I didn't get Live after all that shit-talking in the CvS discussion thread. (Because I know y'all were really losing sleep over it.)