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Fucking hell yes.
Mike Tyson's Punch Out - Still the best boxing game ever
Super Mario 3 - Arguably the best side scroller ever
Tecmo Super Bowl - Arguably the best football game ever
Legend of Zelda - Best Adventure game ever
I could elaborate further, but I need some rest.
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Originally Posted by Mamoscott
River City Ransom - Still my favorite sidescrolling beat 'em up
Dragon Warriors 1-4 - Still some of the best RPGs ever made
Blades of Steel - Still the best hockey game ever
Blaster Master - Still the best Sunsoft has ever done
Metal Gear - The orginal stealth-action console game
Rambo - Still the most bizarre move-licensed game ever
A resounding yes. Too many games to mention, but one I always enjoy immensely is Arkanoid with the special controller! :)
Not even a question. My NES is never going into the storage closet. :) Too many of the games have never been equalled, especially the sports games. And yeah, there is nothing in the world quite like Mike Tyson's Punchout!!
Other than the stupid cartridge port and the yellowing plastic, yeah its aged pretty well..
Just the other night on a whim, I decided to run through Super Mario Brothers from start to finish...A lot easier for me now, but still fun.
Hardware-wise, it's a beast to start up a game if you have the original NES model.
Games-wise: Play Mega Man 2 today and tell me if you still have doubts. ;)
If you mean games that I really loved in the day, but play today and think "it's really not that great," then... it's aged better than Atari and PSOne, but not as good as SNES.
I would like to see why the people who said no think? I voted yes, but that is because I still play it.
I want to hear the no reasons.
How about a list of NES games that have never been topped?
Tecmo Superbowl
Mike Tyson's Punchout!!
Super Mario 3
Baseball Stars
Battletoads
Megaman 2
Gurellia WarQuote:
How about a list of NES games that have never been topped?
Ninga Gaiden 1-3
Adventures of Lolo
Bubble Bobble/Rainbow Islands
Contra (well, there have been others just as fun, but others not as fun)
Gradius (more play time than any other)
NES dominates the arcade style sports genre as well as being the primary home of gaming's greatest series. It holds up quite well~
I voted no... for the simple reason that IMO a lot of the big games of the NES era - for me, at least - were done better in the SNES era. A lot of my favorite NES games had counterparts, sequels or upgrades in the SNES era.
Yes, Ninja Gaiden alone does it for me. Hell, Super Mario Bros. is still fun to play today.
second best system of all time.
I voted yes. Without the MMC chips, though, it probably wouldn't have fared so well over the years.
*goes back to playing Castlevania 3*
Some games, yes. Many games, no. I agree that Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, Contra, etc were done better on the SNES and beyond. However I still contend that the games on my list above were not done better elsewhere. NES Battletoads > Battlemaniacs, NES Tecmo Superbowl > varios SNES Tecmo Superbowls, MT Punchout!! > Super Punchout, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by negitoro
One way or another the NES still holds great entertainment value.
Mega Man 2 > Mega Man 7 :)
Just because a game is done better on the SNES, doesn't necessitate that its earlier counterparts are unplayable. Zelda, Punch-Out, Mega Man, and many more are still fun nonetheless. It's not like they are complete remakes and you have no other reason to play the NES originals...Quote:
Originally Posted by negitoro
Rockman & Forte> MM2.
To some extent yes, I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by xS
Music-wise, RM&F doesn't hold a candle to MM2. ;)
Hell yes it has. In fact, Im going to go drag it out of the closet now and play me some Cabal, Panic Resturant and Chip and Dales. Whoo!
I voted no, simply because I don't have much fun playing older systems. I'd much rather play the current stuff.
I voted no, because the graphics are crappy, the sound is crappy, the controller is too simple, and there isn't anything on the system that I can't play a much better version of on something current.
I could argue that the games are still fun, but so is Pong, if faced with no alternatives.
Yes, it has aged well. It still has plenty of games I love going back to. I play NES games a lot. But a few things need to be said on the negative side.
Almost every arcade port on the NES is available in much better form now. The NES' line-up consisted of quite a few arcade games.
Graphically it ain't pretty anymore. Even in the 8-bit era, it was showing its age graphically compared to the competition.
There are the usual genres that tend to age badly(racing, RPG).
The 16-bitters improved every genre, thus the SNES and Genesis have aged better.
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Originally Posted by FuryFox
Castlevania III, SMB3, Arkanoid, MT Punchout!!, Contra.... all still look fine. Certainly not "crappy".
Sound:
Castlevania III (Japanese version especially) has awesome music. I listen to it in my car quite frequently. Ditto for Megaman II.
Controller:
Too simple? And that hurt it how? Double Dragon is the only game I can think of that suffered for a lack of buttons, and they managed to work around that quite nicely and make a fantastic serries of DD games on the NES.
With certain exceptions! One of which being the "Track and Field" genre, or whatever people call it.Quote:
The 16-bitters improved every genre
World Class Track Meet (100m dash in 3 seconds? RIGHT HERE!)
Caveman Games (In this day and age, mate toss would probably be banned)
Crash and the Boys: Street Challenge
Uhh...Track and Field! WHOO!
I still play Caveman Games online with some of my IRC friends. Good times.
I voted yes for one main reason. Anything that is that old and you can still play with a group of friends and still be entertaining sounds like it's aged well to me. Yes, everything is very simple and low tech, but it's a really good escape from present day.
Nope.
I have the Mario games on Super Mario Collection.
I have Rockman 2 on Playstation.
Metroid is probably getting remade for GBA.
Likewise with the Metal Gear games.
River City Ransom on GBA confirmed a while back.
Everything else I don't care for or has aged badly. Also getting RGB from it is a hassle. Famicom has the damn pads wired to the machine, Famicom AV can't do RGB at all (to my knowledge) and the American NES has dodgy cart ports. I don't own a NES of my own and don't intend to any more either.
Wow, I'm so sorry that at least 9 of you have been dropped on your head from a considerable height. :p
Even :icepick: is still impressed by the NES.
My reasons are perfectly ok. How about recommending some games then? I don't care for the sports ones.
Outside of Gunsmoke and Punch-out there is nothing that I wan't to play on it so no.
Yes, it has aged well. Fuck anyone for voting otherwise. And IMO, the NES Mega Man games (especially III) are much better than the SNES ones (including Mega Man & Bass).
Super Team Games was a lot of fun back in the days. I had a quite a workout, this was loooong before DDR ever came into the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sl1p
Power Pad pwns.
The NES is still my favorite system of all time. The amount of great (and still to this day playable) games is amazing. I buy games for it all the time, and play it quite a bit. I still get blown away by what some games accomplished graphicly. Look at games like Batman, Super Mario 3, Shatterhand, and Dracula 3. They look great! I will still be buying NES games for years, and I see no reason to stop playing it.
Shatterhand! That game rules. :)
I remember Shatterhand, I played an emulated version of it. Another game I fondly remember is Project: Vice, though I've never played it, Nintendo Power hyped it up a LOT.
Chip N' Dales + Duck Tales are awesome Capcom-Disney collaborations.
And what about Shadowgate, Uninvited, and Deja Vu? (I've only played Shadowgate, but the others sounded good from what I've read)
I was never very fond of the Shadowgate type of Adventure/Rpgs or whatever they are. Just kinda boring.
And isn't Project: Vice a light gun game?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who listens to game music in the car.. I take it you burn MP3's and such to CD-R?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chibi Nappa
Well, in the case of Castlevania I actually went and imported the official OST CD. I know, I'm a dork like that. As far as hard-to-get/non-existant soundtracks, I use emulated sound formats in Winamp (nsf, gym, sfc, psf, etc.). They are smaller than MP3s and sound much better. Then I burn them to CD.
No entirely, it's more like a Castlevania/Ninja Gaiden-esque action game with Spy Hunter-esque driving and Operation Wolf-esque shooting sequences throw in. Think Bayou Billy, only it's actually good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash_Master
And don't foget... Power Blade! :D
Great games on the NES. I'd love to play some but the fact that it won't output RGB wipes it off the gaming map.
I voted no.
Games that I would play for hours on end as a kid can barely hold my interest for more than five minutes; also, I don't find 8bit sprites visually appealing, so there goes that aspect.
These days my nostalgic interests rarely extend beyond the 16bit era.
For me, very well. Granted there's a healthy dose of nostalgia for anything NES-related these days, but there are legitimate reasons for always having an NES and/or Famicom hooked up under my TV. It's still a treasure cove of action-platform type of titles that there's a serious drought of currently. I suppose I could rattle off a list of games, but just saying "Ninja Gaiden" will be sufficient.
And no, "upgrades" like Ninja Gaiden Trilogy won't do. Fuck with the music? Fuck you.
The Ninja Gaiden 2 music is really something to behold. That and Mega Man 2 still to this day have the best music in video game history. Dracula 3 does indeed have amazing music. The Theme for Anticipation is fucking gold as well, but thats a little more obscure.
Battletoads was graphically impressive for the hardware, but I wouldn't play it today.
I agree on the rest, other than the sports game which I don't play.
Battletoads was an overhyped piece of shit if you asked me. I remember NP shoving that down our throats.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
Battletoads was awesome and has aged nicely as well.
Nintendo Power was always complete garbage.
this is true. but hey, atleast they used to have awesome covers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Aged well? Fuck no.
Hell the fuck yes.
The NES is still one of my favorite machines. River City Ransom and Double Dragon 2, SMB3 and Mega Man 2 (which is better than Rockman and Forté). Just so many great games to list, and they all still look and play fine.
You want attractive, nostalgic graphics? Look at the NES. You want butt-ugly, hasn't aged worth a damn? Look at early 3D games on the PS and the SS.
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Fuck anyone for voting otherwise
The thing I liked most about Nintendo Power is the fact that they contained in-depth walkthroughs (with some nice art too) of every big Nintendo game at the time (even if they only covered the first half of each game). Howard & Nester was rad too. Too bad they jumped the shark during the SNES-era (when the magazine was no longer produced by Tokuma Shoten).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas Barton
I'll just say that the NES rival the Sega Master System has aged much better, at least for me, must be those colorful graphics, but I grew up with a SMS so I'm a bit bias.
Available on GBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
MAME.
Better version on SNES.
Available on PSX.
As someone who grew up with both the NES and SMS, I would say they have aged equally well.
I think the NES has aged very well. Many of the games I own are still very fun today, like RC Pro AM, that Off-Road truck racing game, Super Mario Bros. (series), Tecmo World Wrestling, among others. The controls were simple, yet not limiting. I'd rather see a system make the most of three main buttons (oh, for the days when the select button was actually used well), than see games waste about eight or so buttons. Graphically, some games still look good. Sound-wise, the music in many games is memorable.
Does that make the originals obsolete? I guess if you're away from your NES deck and want to play these games, you can just use an emu or something, out of convenience...Quote:
88mph said...
Available on GBA.
MAME.
Better version on SNES.
Available on PSX.
but the fact that you want to and go out of your way to play these games shows how well the NES has really aged.
The expression "jumped the shark" hasn't aged very well.
I don't go out of my way to play those old ass games anymore.
I sold my 8 bit games and systems a while ago.
MAME really makes alot of this 8/16 bit stuff obsolete.:(
It might make the crappy NES machine obsolete, but not the games. Emulation keeps them going.Quote:
MAME really makes alot of this 8/16 bit stuff obsolete.
As a matter of fact, River City Ransom runs perfect, no slowdown, 2 players on a PC, unlike on the NES.
MAME is a good thing though. If companies aren't going to re-release stuff, I want my arcade-perfect ports some way.
The NES is still my most played system. The NES systems themselves haven't aged well (it's really hard to find a front-loader that works consistently without a new connector), but the quality of the games on the system is just too high to ignore. The NES just has way too many great games to ever become obsolete for me. The fact that the PS2 may be about to get a high quality Castlevania game with decent 3d graphics doesn't make Castlevania 3 a piece of crap.
My condolences.Quote:
I don't go out of my way to play those old ass games anymore.
I sold my 8 bit games and systems a while ago.
Please... it was just taking up space... and I never played the shit anyway.
I can fit all my 8 bit games on a CD now instead of them filling a closet.
He's got a point about that. Though I have no plans of tossing out all my NES/Famicom crap, NESterDC has certainly taken over as my preferred way of playing NES games. No need to try 15+ times to get a game to play when you want it to. But arguing the lasting quality of NES games and arguing the lasting build quality of NES systems are different things entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by 88mph
Also, VMU save-states beat passwords. Easily.
Do you need a Gameshark-like device to use NESterDC on your Dreamcast? How's using the DC pad for playing NES games? I hated using the DC pad for Metal Gear Solid Bleem... but that was because the analog felt way too loose.
Nope, it's actually very easy to make a self-booting NESterDC disk, considering the tools out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SearchManX
The DC d-pad is pretty much fine for NES games, though if you're completely dissatasfied there are alternatives out there.
Do you have any links to websites that might help me out on this? If so, can ya PM me? I'd appreciate it...
Not entirely true. The NES versions of Bionic Commando, Ninja Gaiden and Double Dragon II-III still blows away their Arcade counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by xS
Do a google search for DC emu.Quote:
Originally Posted by SearchManX
K, I'll check it out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chibi Nappa
I've discussed this here before but I think NES has aged pretty badly, especially graphically. NES games that still look and play well are few and far between. Nostalgia is required to enjoy most of these games.
I think the oldest system that has aged well is SMS, thanks mainly to the better/brighter graphics - which still look great to my eyes. There were SMS games that I never played until I was an adult that were still great and very playable, albeit dated. My experience with NES is the opposit, so, I draw the line right between SMS and NES.
Playing the game on an emulator is the same as playing the games on the original deck. We're talking about the games here, not the actual system.
So stop focusing on the box and talk about the games.
2D NES sprites still kick the ass off of early 3D games in terms of being eye-searingly ass-ugly.
Because if we are, then no, the system itself hasn't aged well. The front loader is very awkwardly designed and constantly malfunctions.
But the games are as playable and as good as they were on their release dates.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
Even better, Xbox NES emulator plus Saturn pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilykat
Hell's no.
I can take this entire statement, replace NES with SMS and vice versa in those slots, and have it mean the exact same thing to me. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sggg
The graphics arguments, except in the later years of both systems, is vauge and indistinct. For the first four years of both systems, neither proved a distinct advantage over each other. Only in the later years when the SMS had some rather impressive stuff like that Street Fighter II port did it finally flex it's complete muscle.
Not to mention Contra. I vastly prefer the Famicom versions of Contra and Super C to their arcade counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Undaunted
The NES games needed all sorts of upgrade chips (eg, MMC5) just to appear competitive with the SMS. As I remember it, the SMS had more horsepower (less slowdown) and more color, but fewer/smaller sprites (more flicker). I seem to remember the two-player Double Dragon on the SMS flickering like crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilykat
True, but upgrade chips are still fair game for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
One problem with the SMS was that it was misused too often as the years went on. Once the Mega Drive/Genesis was released many SMS developers, Sega included, tried to emulate the look and feel of 16-bit arcade games on the SMS, and it never turned out well. More time should've been spent bolstering the SMS as an 8-bit powerhouse.
SMS games always looked better than NES games just like SNES games always looked better than Genesis games. I'm not saying that graphics make a better system.
What I find with the 8-bit era in particular is that those who grew up with only the NES tend to not be able to appreciate the SMS and vice versa. The only difference being the NES-only crowd is 10 times the size.
Well, after one evening of Tecmo Super Bowl last night four friends and I have already decided that we are playing through a full season some night next week.
Three of us never even played the game before.
Two of those don't even watch football.
I'd say it has aged quite well.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
I didn't get an SMS until a few years back, and after playing a ton of games for it, I've come to the conclusion that the system is pure garbage.
Did you play Wonderboy 3?
No, but I'd probably like it, given that I enjoyed Wonderboy in Monster World.
No.
The arcade ports on the NES were good for the time, but just as NZE said- better versions exist.
Having a 16 total onscreen color limit kind of hampers it graphically, but nevertheless there are a few games out there that stand up like Bionic Commando, Ninja Gaiden, Double Dragon 2, and Super C (which mercifully ditches the wonky control scheme of the arcade one).
The SMS aged better for me. Its version of Time Soldiers blows away the NES versions of Ikari Warriors & Victory Road. Double Dragon on NES does look better than the SMS counterpart, but I think Sega's graphic designer on that one may have just gotten sloppy.
Has the NES aged well? Sure, all the games that I loved back thena re still good. Hell, the NES aged better than the Genesis.
Was it just 16? I've always thought it was 24 or 32.=\Quote:
Having a 16 total onscreen color limit kind of hampers it graphically, but nevertheless there are a few games out there that stand up like Bionic Commando, Ninja Gaiden, Double Dragon 2, and Super C (which mercifully ditches the wonky control scheme of the arcade one).
Anyways, anyone know of a site listing all of the extra chips used in carts and their functions?
An $8 pin connector has my 14 year-old NES running like I just took it out of the box. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
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Originally Posted by Chojin
Ooh, sounds good. Count me in.Quote:
An $8 pin connector has my 14 year-old NES running like I just took it out of the box.
I'd say yes, although I perfer to emulate rather than play the ol' flicker-box.
I asked Matt about the NES RGB mod, and he said that there's still work to be done on the process before he starts taking orders for it. If I have the money, I'll be one of the first in line to ask for the job.
I owned an NES and SMS from the start and the SMS has always been ass imo.
And the NES graphics were better imo, not sure why so many people think the opposite.
Show me 1 game with good graphics on the SMS and ill show you 25 of the same genre on the NES that looked better.
Not to mention the SMS didnt have shit in the way of good games....
Nes games have aged well for me, MUCH better then the PSX...
Also, to those bitching about the NES...
I bought a 7 dollar connector which can be installed by an infant monkey and cleaned all my cart's connectors with a q-tip and alcohol and now they all work better then when it was new..
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Originally Posted by Chojin
Hmmm...no! There are about 20 games on the NES, that stand the test of time very well and that's because of solid gameplay, more than graphics. I have an emulator with over 700 games and most of them have been crap. I still have my NES and about 15 games, but I keep it more for nostalgic reasons, than must have playtime.
The Genesis on the other hand, has some games that are just amazing for their time. Herzog Zwie comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by gamevet
I'm not gonna argue or anything sicne it's all opinion but I find it interesting how completely opposite I am in this matter. The majority of the Genny games I used to love I just can't play anymore and only a handful of games I find playable. While the NES has a larger library of crap, it has more games I find fun than the genny. Crazy world.
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Originally Posted by JMET
Yep and will for um....about 3 months, then you will have the same problem again. The design is stupid, an infant monkey could design better.
Ever wonder why the top loading NES' sell for so much more on ebay? Thats why.
"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times"Quote:
an infant monkey could design better.
Compare the Space Harrier ports.Quote:
Show me 1 game with good graphics on the SMS and ill show you 25 of the same genre on the NES that looked better
I've always preffered the NES over the SMS, and 95% of the of the latters library is obsolete... but it did have some great games for its time. It does have better games than the NES in the action rpg and light gun genres though.=\Quote:
Not to mention the SMS didnt have shit in the way of good games....
I had an SMS before my NES, but I loved my NES more... although SMS had some gems, it was just harder to find them compared to the NES...
I love the SMS, even tho it doesn't have the variety or versatility as the NES. I don't understand why people have to put down one over another.... Not like they are competing for your disposable income now!
SMS has Phantasy Star, Space Harrier, some really cool 3D games, Golvellius, Kenseiden, Wonder Boy, Alex Kidd in Miracle World, Teddy Boy (stupid game I love), Gangster Town, Zillion. Those are some of my favorites, and my 8-bit collection wouldn't have been complete without them! (Of course, my NES picks are so much larger hehe)
SMS is to the NES, as the n64 is to PSX.;)Quote:
I had an SMS before my NES, but I loved my NES more... although SMS had some gems, it was just harder to find them compared to the NES...
The only difference is that I was 5 when I had an SMS and I couldn't afford to buy every single SMS game I see, while there were plenty of NES games to rent and try before buying...
I wish I tried those Alex Kidd games...