What's a supergun?

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Originally Posted by Matt

Not really. Emulators can be pretty close, but when it comes down to it playing an emu doesn't really feel like an actual arcade PCB. In my experience (from trying the two side by side), the game speed is often off, and the graphics rendering doesn't look the same.

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As I've said before (and will continue to say whenever I get the chance :) ), if you are playing MAME you need an Arcade VGA card (about $100). I think some company called Ultimarc makes them. Filtering on a large VGA monitor with a standard graphics card might look alright-ish, but it looks nothing at all like the original PCB. The Arcade VGA card puts out the exact same RGB signal at the exact same scan rate and resolution that the orriginal PCB did, right out of your PC. Plug your PC into a real arcade monitor using a computer powerful enough to emulate properly, and MAME looks 100% real. Swear to God. :)

Plus, you can finally play NES games in RGB (again, same scan rate and resolution as the real thing) without the PC10 graphics processor mod.

Meh. Spending a bunch of money so that Irori's hair color is just right = not worth it.

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Originally Posted by OmniGear

Meh. Spending a bunch of money so that Irori's hair color is just right = not worth it.

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Don't let Iori hear you say that...

I won't, just as long you don't tell Irori that I couldn't care less about her hair color. I just want to find out how she flies. And then have sex with her.

First mention (and pic) I saw of a Super Gun was in the letters section of EGM issue 30, Jan 92. They advised people against buying one because of all the bootleg SF2 PCBs floating around.

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Originally Posted by Chibi Nappa

As I've said before (and will continue to say whenever I get the chance :) ), if you are playing MAME you need an Arcade VGA card (about $100). I think some company called Ultimarc makes them. Filtering on a large VGA monitor with a standard graphics card might look alright-ish, but it looks nothing at all like the original PCB.

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And let me say again that MAME (or any current arcade emu) does not filter if you don't want it to do even with a standard graphic card and VGA monitor. There is a graphic mode which simulates almost perfectly the picture quality of an RGB, low res monitor. It's called "50% scanlines".
Let the "emu on VGA = filtering" myth die once and for all.

Even with all "filtering" turned off, it is still upscanning to display in VGA. It has to. No way around that. And 50% scanlines are not exactly right.... A low res RGB monitor doesn't really look like that. Not to mention that the monitor phosphors on an arcade monitor are a totally different shape and size than a VGA monitor. :p

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Originally Posted by Recap & Chibi

Turn off the filters!

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Doh! Yes, looks like I forgot about MAME's video options :sweat:. You're right - emulators w/o filters +scanlines do look very good.

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Originally Posted by Chibi Nappa

Not to mention that the monitor phosphors on an arcade monitor are a totally different shape and size than a VGA monitor. :P

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Yes, they're smaller, crisper, and look a whole lot better :). It would be a better world if arcade monitors had phosphors like that!

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Originally Posted by Recap

I really don't know what do you mean. If the game's emulation is in a perfect status, playing it is no different than playing the PCB.

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Theoretically, yes. However, even perfect emulation still doesn't change the fact that the game is running on software simulation of its native hardware, as opposed to a chunk of silicon with chips stuck in it. There will always be differences in how the game runs, even though they're very small.

It's not something that's easy to explain, especially if you haven't played a lot of real PCBs to compare. Regardless of how they look, emulated games just don't "feel" right compared with the originals. Padman's transvestite quote sums it up very well. Or, think of low-fat salad dressing vs regular.

Likewise, the graphical differences I was referring to have to do with sprite rendering, flicker, etc - not the natural differences between monitor types. They'd still be there if you were using a 15khz monitor.

Of course, if you don't have an original to compare it to, an emulated game ought to do the job just fine. Just because it isn't exactly the same doesn't always mean it's bad, just different. And PCB's don't support save states ;)

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It's true that many games lack correct emulation, but CP-S II ones (as CP-S or Neo-Geo ones) have almost perfect emulation now. If Dimahoo doesn't run properly on MAME, try Nebula or Final Burn Alpha (don't forget to disable any filter and enable 50% scanlines). If you're accustomed to a real RGB image (not many people are) you'll be pleased with the result. Tell me your impressions after you check it.

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Oh, the emulation was very good, and I'm sure it would have looked almost perfect had I been using the proper video mode. It's just that, in this case, the control was very different from the original. If I hadn't just been playing the arcade version for a long time, I probably would have lasted better.