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Define "look like crap." As in, worse than an S-Video signal (S-Video is what I meant, not composite, :P)? Two times worse? Three times? Four?
I really just want to be able to play PS2 in my room, but I don't have space for a TV. I'm not picky. Just as long as it doesn't look like a botched monkey shit, I couldn't really give a fawk.
S-video will look a LOT better than composite would, but of course still won't look half as good as converting RGB. Svideo allows for a 50% increase in colour resolution over composite, but you're still going to be at the mercy of the convertor's quality.
There are a few things to keep in mind:
All TVs are basically RGB displays with hardware to decode the composite video (or S) to RGB for display. The unit you're looking to purchase basically has to act as this convertor AND upscan the signal. As you know the quality of one TV can differ greatly from the next, and this is almost always because of the quality of the electrical components, not the actual tube.
By the same token therefor one upscan convertor can be very poor quality compared to the next. Everyone recommends the XRGB because we've all used it and are satisfied with it. The rest are 25-35% of the XRGB's price because they're less capable and built to be cheap rather than good.
Also, you get what you pay for. =)
Lawrence.
lol
Let me get this straight (based on the research I've done thus far on the subject). I find it easier to get stuff after I've regurgitated the info.
All TVs are RGB. The electronics inside the TV decipher the video from composite/s-video signals to RGB so that it can be displayed on the TV's tube. What an upscan converter does is deciphers the signal given by a composite or s-video line to RGB so that it can be displayed on a monitor's tube, and then (somehow) boosts the video's signal from 15Hz to 30Hz, since a VGA monitor can only display video that is at least that much.
Am I right in assuming that this boost degrades video quality?
Anyway, money isn't really an issue, although I was really, really hoping to save space. Should I just make room for a TV? :P
No, TVs suck. Get yourself a 13" (or is it 14?) Commodore 1084 RGB monitor off ebay (they're cheap) and have Matt make you a cable.
Boom, perfect picture, with space to spare.
Listen to Omega Flare.
RGB is your only solution.
Or, you could buy my PS2 VGA box from me... I warn you, it looks like goatse.
The line-doubling itself isn't at fault. As Lawrence has said, it's usually just cheap design standards that kill the video quality and make it look worse than a TV. Also keep in mind that your PC monitor is a lot sharper than a television, and the flaws will show up more clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by T.S.Sephiroth
Cheap VGA converters don't really convert the composite signal back to analog RGB like a TV does and then line-double it - that'd be far too much work. Generally, they just digitize the incoming signal and spit out a VGA image based on that. You lose a lot of quality in the A/D conversion process.
In my experience, the quality you get from S-Video on one of those converters is worse than composite on a normal TV. But at least you'll be able to play the system, yes?
As others have said, if you want to save space all you need is a small 14 inch RGB 15 khz monitor, teh cable from Matt and the system. Boom you're all set. the PS2 looks amazing through direct RGB connection and if you want to watch DVDs in RGB as well, all you need is the handy Region X disk for PS2 that allows DVDs to boot into RGB as well and damn do they look good in RGB. So I would say for easily less than 100 bucks you can have a small, powerful gaming setup that is pretty much unrivaled, unless you get an even bigger RGB monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by T.S.Sephiroth
Seriously, whether you're a nut about picture or not, once you see an RGB image in action, you'll be amazed and never go back, only HD progressive scan/VGA can rival it and that's only for 3-D stuff, the 2-D stuff was made for RGB.
Do it, and thank us later.
[says for 90,000th time]Progressive scan is for high res, not just 3D!!!!!!!!!!! 2D high res looks just fine!!!!!!!!! Does Windows look like pixel death on your VGA monitor?! Is Windows 3D?!!! AAAAARRRRRGHHHH!!! *jumps out window* [/says for 90,000th time]Quote:
Originally Posted by ssbomberman
*hasn't had caffine yet this morning*
he he, sorry to make you jump out the window, but when I think 2-D, I do not think hi-res, because well there's GGX, GGX2, and uh...uh...well there may be a couple other hi-res 2-D games out there that I missed...so add them too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chibi Nappa
If the goopy puddle of ex-Chibi Nappa on the ground under the window could accept your appology, it would. :)
At least the goopy puddle has had its daily caffine now...